MyFord Touch disgust torpedoes Ford's JD Power rating

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exar333

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As hard as it might be for a tech God like you to believe, not everyone is a master of all that is tech like you are. How great the system is is irrelevant if the average user can't figure out how to use it. I fail to see how large numbers of users complaining about this particular system tarnishes the reputation of JDP.





It isn't just random users complaining about the sytem.

‘Aggravating’ MyFord Touch Sends Ford Plummeting in J.D. Power Quality Survey

Let's all go back to the horse and buggy instead of the auto, much simplier.

/facepalm

It is a new technology, I am sure there are ways to make the system work better and improve. Remember this is software, folks. They can release updates and make it BETTER! You cannot do that with knobs and such, once you get them, that is what you get.

For most functions, the mytouch/sync works pretty well. It is the way the industry is going, so I give kudos to Ford for being on the leading edge. It will continue to improve and get better, I never said it was perfect.

Pariah - you don't have to be such a a@@hole.
 

Capt Caveman

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Just remember what the Survey is for, Initial Quality. Spidey has owned his Ford Edge for only a couple of weeks and already has had to pull-over to reboot his MFT.

I've read from some owners where it takes 10 minutes after starting their vehicle to be able to use the radio. Software updates may fix these issues but it's still a pain in the ass if you're an owner and have to drop your vehicle off to get this performed.
 

Arkaign

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Just remember what the Survey is for, Initial Quality. Spidey has owned his Ford Edge for only a couple of weeks and already has had to pull-over to reboot his MFT.

I've read from some owners where it takes 10 minutes after starting their vehicle to be able to use the radio. Software updates may fix these issues but it's still a pain in the ass if you're an owner and have to drop your vehicle off to get this performed.

Now this I agree with 110%. Spidey's issues with his system are legitimate failures/problems that should indeed reflect on initial quality, and have nothing to do with a customer buying a $30k+ vehicle without understanding simple things like turning the AC or radio on or off.
 

exar333

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Just remember what the Survey is for, Initial Quality. Spidey has owned his Ford Edge for only a couple of weeks and already has had to pull-over to reboot his MFT.

I've read from some owners where it takes 10 minutes after starting their vehicle to be able to use the radio. Software updates may fix these issues but it's still a pain in the ass if you're an owner and have to drop your vehicle off to get this performed.

Is this related to the more recent version of mytouch, or all versions? I used this late last year in a rental for about a week, and it worked OK for me.

People also love the iPhone, which I own and have to re-boot regularly as well. It is slow as crap sometimes and drives me nuts. Modern software with touch interfaces are by no means a perfect tech.
 

Vette73

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Apparently you've missed that this thread is about JD Power's Initial Quality Study. Why would I be talking about problems that may occur outside of the timeframe covered by this study and would have zero effect on the results?


Maybe english is not your native lang and you missed how I and others were talking about ratings in general since they all work the same.


i.e. My engine blows up = my H2 suv rides like a truck.
 

Capt Caveman

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Is this related to the more recent version of mytouch, or all versions? I used this late last year in a rental for about a week, and it worked OK for me.

People also love the iPhone, which I own and have to re-boot regularly as well. It is slow as crap sometimes and drives me nuts. Modern software with touch interfaces are by no means a perfect tech.

No idea. I can only assume based on the vehicle and options on it, there is a different version of software. I wonder if one could get the detail if issues are with only specific vehicles on certain versions of MFT.

In regards to the iPhone, I think I've had to reboot it once in the 2 years I've owned it.
 

sandorski

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Somewhat related, am I the only one annoyed by the Dodge commercials where the Nav just kinda pops on after a second on every Interior view?
 

Zap

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People also love the iPhone, which I own and have to re-boot regularly as well. It is slow as crap sometimes and drives me nuts. Modern software with touch interfaces are by no means a perfect tech.

Wow, you also described my Android phone. Plenty of times the notifications bar won't budge (though I think 2.2 fixed that). In the past 3 days I've had one day where my phone showed no service for hours but a power cycle fixed it, and another instance where it was essentially "dead" to the world and wouldn't wake up or power on even though I knew the battery was charged, until I yanked the battery.

the guy running truedelta says the problems go way beyond MFT issues
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/06/ford-quality-is-job-one-again/

:eek: Wow. Just... wow. That sounds pretty bad.
 

ShawnD1

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5th last year, 23rd this year. Largely because of frustration with the new touchscreen system. Somewhere off in the distance the faint sound of chuckles can be heard presumably emanating from BMW engineers.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/22/autos/ford_jd_power_initial_quality/index.htm
Hey this sounds a lot like the way my Corolla's controls are 100x more annoying than the controls found in any 1980s car.

turning down the temperature in 1980s car:
Grab the thingy and slide it to the left. Go by feel. Keep your eyes on the road.

turning down the temperature in a 2010 corolla:
Mash the down button a few times. Did you mash it enough? Take your eyes off the road and look at it. You can't see the display because your polarized sun glasses make it look black (things look black when polization doesn't line up). Take off your prescription polizared sun glasses. Now you can't see the road or the temperature. Fuck around in the glove box until you find your normal not-polar glasses. Swap glasses. Look at the temperature and adjust it. Are you still looking at the road? Change back to polarized sun glasses. Put normal glasses back in the glove box.


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Obviously this is a bit extreme. My vision isn't too terrible so I can just slide my glasses up and take a quick look at the temperature display. It's really not a big deal. Just trying to say that it's more complicated than a simple dial or sliding thing.
 
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Arkaign

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lol. Yeah I do like knobs / switches > buttons / touch personally for all heating/radio/ac personally.
 

Pulsar

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the guy running truedelta says the problems go way beyond MFT issues
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/06/ford-quality-is-job-one-again/

First, as I always, do, let me state that I work for Ford and my statements are not representative of Ford or their views.

Now....

That article is a hatchet job. I had to wade through 5 paragraphs of him talking about how much CR and other surveryors just aren't as good as he is just to get to the supposed point of the article. In scanning through that article you will find not a single number and not a single statistic. You'll simply find him conglomerating every quality issue, imagined or otherwise, that Ford has seen over the last several years.

Those are core problems with his writing. Now let's nitpick a bit. He uses a comment about chrome flaking off to suggest there's a product development problem. Clearly, this person does not understand the difference between product development and supplier quality and lot control. This happens regularly to every company in the industry. A supplier will supply a product that is just find for all the testing that the cars go through, but when they mass produce it bad product gets out. That's not something you catch in product development. Not even close.

You're probably not going to pick that up in product testing either, since the batches will vary from lot to lot. Likewise - a grounding problem is an assembly problem. Not a product development problem. And this on an all-new vehicle just introduced to the US, which is pretty expected frankly.

Next, he uses Ford's response to the mytouch issues as a response to all the quality problems. It's disingenous and frankly a bald faced lie.

Then he states that the problems aren't a new developement, and somehow equates an electrical problem to seals on 4 year old vehicles. WTF?

If I every had ANY intention of reading that website and using it to draw conclusions, it's gone. He's a hack writing a tabloid.

Oh, and I love this part. After the hack job in the article, he goes on to post this in the comment section:

The problems Fords are currently having are only noteworthy because:

1. The automaker did very well for a few years in the mid-2000s, and seems to be letting more glitches, usually minor, slip through now. Most of its models remain very reliable by historical standards.

2. The Fiesta seems more troublesome than other current Fords, and might indicate that products primarily engineered by Ford of Europe will be more buggy than those engineered primarily in North America. And Mulally has directed that Ford of Europe supply more models to the North American market.

I certainly did not mean to imply that Fords are junk and should be avoided. They’re not.


Really? That's certainly not what your hatchet job article said.

I'm done hijacking this thread now. Hopefully Ford fixes their mytouch issues, and makes it dead-simple to do things that should be one-touch dead simple like changing the radio and adjusting the climate controls.
 

mmntech

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One of the Lincolns at work had the MFT system crash on us, twice in one week. Once it goes, the firmware needs to be re-installed at the dealer. Doesn't look good on us when customers are renting it.

However, I will say we've had the exact same issues with Chrysler's touch system.

I hate touch screens in cars these days. They just seem unnecessary at best, dangerous at worst. They're a huge distraction to the driver. Just changing the radio station is a chore, especially on our rental cars where the presets are all over the map. Just another thing to break too. I wouldn't buy a car with one.
 

NutBucket

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I just filled out the JD Power survey for my Honda few weeks ago. It was very specific in asking about things like climate controls and radio; ease of use, etc.

What I see is a failure on the part of Ford Dealers in properly showing buyers how their new car works. Even though the bluetooth/stereo/climate controls in my car are "basic" by MyFord Touch standards, the sales staff made sure I knew how to use everything before I left. In fact, there was paperwork in the owner's manual that I signed off on stating that I shown how to operate everything. And, in the followup surveys from Honda I was specifically asked about it. To me, this type of effort is nice. I mean, what's the purpose in having a bunch of features if you don't know how to use them?
 
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When I bought my f150 recently the salesman spent 15 minutes or more just showing me the various buttons, sync features, etc.. I left the dealership with full understanding of how it worked. I don't believe that is the issue at all with the low ratings by JD.

I love my f150 and would buy the same truck over again if I was to do it over again. But the truth is that sync is a buggy m'fer. Sudden dropped calls, losing sync with my phone, having to unplug fuse so the system can reboot, having to reboot my phone every other day so sync will recognize my iphone. Look on the f150 forums and you'll see that many other owners are experiencing the same thing. Ford's official stance is that the iphone is not supported. WTF? The most popular phone in the world is not supported. So okay the iphone isn't supported. I guess now they'll say that blackberry owners are not officially supported either.
 

JulesMaximus

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When I bought my f150 recently the salesman spent 15 minutes or more just showing me the various buttons, sync features, etc.. I left the dealership with full understanding of how it worked. I don't believe that is the issue at all with the low ratings by JD.

I love my f150 and would buy the same truck over again if I was to do it over again. But the truth is that sync is a buggy m'fer. Sudden dropped calls, losing sync with my phone, having to unplug fuse so the system can reboot, having to reboot my phone every other day so sync will recognize my iphone. Look on the f150 forums and you'll see that many other owners are experiencing the same thing. Ford's official stance is that the iphone is not supported. WTF? The most popular phone in the world is not supported. So okay the iphone isn't supported. I guess now they'll say that blackberry owners are not officially supported either.

That sucks to hear. I was really interested in getting a 2012 Focus Titanium eventually but this might make me rethink that.
 

Pariah

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Let's all go back to the horse and buggy instead of the auto, much simplier.

/facepalm

It is a new technology, I am sure there are ways to make the system work better and improve. Remember this is software, folks. They can release updates and make it BETTER! You cannot do that with knobs and such, once you get them, that is what you get.

For most functions, the mytouch/sync works pretty well. It is the way the industry is going, so I give kudos to Ford for being on the leading edge. It will continue to improve and get better, I never said it was perfect.

Pariah - you don't have to be such a a@@hole.

You say that JD Power has no credibility because you are so awesome since you can get your MFT to do what you want, and I'm the asshole? Yea, OK. The system has been universally lambasted in the media, and there are no shortages of people chiming in on this thread who have had legitimate problems with the system. But JDP is just a bunch of hacks because you haven't seen the problems.

I have not said anything negative about Ford in this thread. Just the opposite, as I have praised them for the way they have handled the problems unlike you who just assume because you have no problems, that obviously no one else could possibly have any either. As I alluded to in the initial post, BMW has already been through this a few years ago with the iDrive. Whenever you introduce radical new technology, teething problems are bound to happen. I think the idea of a touchscreen system in a car is ridiculous and just one more potential safety hazard to distract drivers. But I understand this is where the industry is heading, and Ford deserves credit for being ahead of the curve.
 

Pariah

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Maybe english is not your native lang and you missed how I and others were talking about ratings in general since they all work the same.


i.e. My engine blows up = my H2 suv rides like a truck.

Uhh, no. You're the one not understanding. Yes, most of these surveys are conducted the same way, but the time period the survey covers has a more than significant effect on the relevance of what the survey is tracking. Again, since this thread was created about the JD Power Inital Quality Study, the catastrophic failures you talk about are so rare within the first 90 days of ownership, that there is no statistical significance that can be extrapolated from the results. JD Power themselves have said this. This is why they changed what constituted a problem in recent years, because overall quality had increased so significantly, that failure rates industry wide had dropped to the point that there wasn't much room for improvement which resulted in no real differentiation between the brands making the study pointless.

If this was a 10 year study, then you would have a point. It isn't, so stop trying to insult other peoples' intelligence when you're the one off topic.
 

Capt Caveman

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That sucks to hear. I was really interested in getting a 2012 Focus Titanium eventually but this might make me rethink that.

When I was looking a few months ago, I wanted to include the Edge and Explorer but just too many people having issues with the MFT system. Hopefully, they'll have things resolved in the near future.
 

RU482

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ahh, the shine of the "they didn't take bailout money" is beginning to wear off.

I was wondering how Ford went from having an "absolute crap" reputation to "golden child" reputation in such a short period of time.
 

punjabiplaya

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ahh, the shine of the "they didn't take bailout money" is beginning to wear off.

I was wondering how Ford went from having an "absolute crap" reputation to "golden child" reputation in such a short period of time.

lol watch out, this is not P&N
 

exar333

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I just filled out the JD Power survey for my Honda few weeks ago. It was very specific in asking about things like climate controls and radio; ease of use, etc.

What I see is a failure on the part of Ford Dealers in properly showing buyers how their new car works. Even though the bluetooth/stereo/climate controls in my car are "basic" by MyFord Touch standards, the sales staff made sure I knew how to use everything before I left. In fact, there was paperwork in the owner's manual that I signed off on stating that I shown how to operate everything. And, in the followup surveys from Honda I was specifically asked about it. To me, this type of effort is nice. I mean, what's the purpose in having a bunch of features if you don't know how to use them?

That's a good point. Poor dealers could really hurt Ford by failing to really show the buyers how to use the controls. Good dealers, on the other hand (like the one you describe) could prevent many of those headaches by showing the customers how to use it.
 

exar333

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Wow, you also described my Android phone. Plenty of times the notifications bar won't budge (though I think 2.2 fixed that). In the past 3 days I've had one day where my phone showed no service for hours but a power cycle fixed it, and another instance where it was essentially "dead" to the world and wouldn't wake up or power on even though I knew the battery was charged, until I yanked the battery.



:eek: Wow. Just... wow. That sounds pretty bad.

I like my iPhone overall, but it has gotten a lot slower with software over the years and is definitely not the same as when I got it. In that same vein, MS will need to support these software systems for a LONG time. They may come out with 6-7 new generations of the tech and still have users on the first couple. That will get tough and expensive down the road, definitely. Not saying it is impossible, but that's always a challenge in software.
 

Pulsar

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ahh, the shine of the "they didn't take bailout money" is beginning to wear off.

I was wondering how Ford went from having an "absolute crap" reputation to "golden child" reputation in such a short period of time.

Perhaps huge jumps in quality, productivity, profit, model attractiveness, safety, performance, fuel economy....

Nah, of course not. Get your tinfoil hats, it's a conspiracy.