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Lifer
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You realize it's not just Apple these days, right? My Pixel 3 XL doesn't have one. Many other modern phones haven't had them for a few generations either? Samsung is even rumored to be ditching them with the upcoming generation (S11, Note 10). Samsung is one of the last holdouts with a headphone jack on flagship phone models and even that may be coming to an end. You can still find them, on models that aren't as powerful or fully featured as the flagships though.
Samsung better not fricking pull that idiotic bullshit. I've had their S7, S8 and now S10 phones and have liked them a lot. If Samsung starts following Apple's decisions because they're stupid (and not because all the users are clamoring for those changes), then that would actually make me look elsewhere for my next phone instead of going with the S11 (or probably S12).

Why get rid of the headphone jack? Just leave the f'ing thing alone. Creating a problem where none existed ftw.
 

destrekor

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This is why iPhones without headphones jacks have bigger batteries than phones with them.

Wait.... hold on... let me check that...

Nope.

Apples to oranges... [literally?]

Compare battery size of iPhone models with headphone jack to models without headphone jack. Each phone is different in what is prioritized, and obviously there is a great deal of marketing that demands some specific form factor which is where engineering compromises are needed.


Maybe instead of shaving a fraction of a mm no one gives a shit about aside from tards reading spec sheets, they should just put in a fuckin' headphone jack. I got a low end phone last time so I could have a removable battery, and I guess a headphone jack, but things hadn't gotten stupid at that point. Most phones still had jacks. It's in a case, and only the most hardcore of *techies would know it wasn't a flagship.

*techies in regards to phones is laughable. It's basically a bunch of fanboys that eat all the shit the manufacturers shovel. They don't do any hacking, they don't do much important in any regard. They just jerkoff over spec sheets, and consume, cause resources are free afterall.

And again, you guys are also discounting antenna design. Newer high-speed cell technologies need more antenna surface area to operate closer to network fringes, and with metal bodies there's this "you're holding it wrong" design flaw that is always on the mind of engineers these days.

I mean, why else abandon physical external SIM cards (and yes CDMA never needed them, this is a GSM/LTE thing) in favor of internal embedded SIM tech? You can argue all you want it's some marketing collusion so phones can't move across networks, but this is disingenuous -- as major factors like that also weigh on the public when deciding on the next model to purchase, and the wrong design decision may mean a drop in sales.


Also take note that I'm taking the devil's advocate position here - I'd rather have a headphone jack for the rare occasion I'd like to use one, but I also acknowledge that the current direction of design evolution is right up my alley and I'm comfortable with the trade.

Do remember that most of these design decisions are in fact not at all arbitrary and it's understood they could be counter-productive to sales - but it's a direction they would rather push for future generations and they would rather focus on other important design considerations. Phone size, screen size, bezel size, camera positioning, weight distribution, number of camera sensors and lenses, battery charging tech (like wireless charging, which requires space and separation from the battery for proper heat dissipation), etc etc etc... these are not only calculated decisions by the engineering teams, there's also a wealth of feedback from consumer studies on what is preferable. These manufacturers chase the profit, not the smaller sales of those who would demand a specific feature.

Whether one needs a "flagship model" shouldn't even be part of the equation - if you don't need it, don't buy it - clearly there are lesser models that have the removable components and features that some individuals desire... it's just that, the market has spoke and demonstrated what features are desired and which can be safely ignored, and unfortunately that has led us to the point where we have lost headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, SD card expansion, etc. Hell it's part of the design decision equations that have factored into the continued design limitations of the Microsoft Surface lineup where we've seen all continue to require the stylus just hang out loosely instead of slotting into a receptacle integrated into the device body.

Do I like this trend in the end? Not particularly. But these aren't arbitrary design decisions, there is weight behind them. Much has been made about it just being all about adapter/dongle/accessory sales, but I don't buy that - sure that's a healthy profit margin potential, but if other designs are sufficiently worthy of market challenge, that's a risky bet to rely on dongles and adapters. But if physical form factor is itself a design limitation, there are certain factors that need controlled elsewhere.

And in this kind of world, with these technologies, millimeters actually do matter -- a hell of a lot more than one would ever guess if just asked randomly on the street. Seemingly tiny design changes can have a ripple effect on the entire product to the point that perhaps priority goals can't be met if initially handled wrong.
 

ctbaars

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When do people have head phone in?
The only time I see it is with runners. (no one here, right?)
 
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Samsung better not fricking pull that idiotic bullshit. I've had their S7, S8 and now S10 phones and have liked them a lot. If Samsung starts following Apple's decisions because they're stupid (and not because all the users are clamoring for those changes), then that would actually make me look elsewhere for my next phone instead of going with the S11 (or probably S12).

Why get rid of the headphone jack? Just leave the f'ing thing alone. Creating a problem where none existed ftw.

I don’t like the trend either however from past wireless experience nearly nobody uses the wired jack, generally speaking it’s prone to damage, generates pain in the ass support visits like someone can’t get their Pokémon picachu speaker that they ordered on eBay for $1.50 to work with it and it’s obviously a phone defect not an unbranded sellers problem, that port is also susceptible to water damage which nobody like.
While I hate the idea of having to charge my Bluetooth earbuds constantly to be prepared and overall I hate Bluetooth. I totally understand why the wired jack is going away.
 

Scarpozzi

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If you're phone already did that, why didn't you have your headphones on? She wouldn't have bothered you if you had been jamming.
 

Scarpozzi

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When do people have head phone in?
The only time I see it is with runners. (no one here, right?)
Even my Garmin watch has a music player and Bluetooth. I only plug corded headphones into my phone when I want to pickup FM radio (uses the headphones as an antenna).
 

FeuerFrei

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Point me to a quality adapter for charging/listening/calling on the iPhone 7 at the same time.

"All" those Amazon listings seem to be low quality. (using the term "all" loosely because you can't be sure)
 

Scarpozzi

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Point me to a quality adapter for charging/listening/calling on the iPhone 7 at the same time.

"All" those Amazon listings seem to be low quality. (using the term "all" loosely because you can't be sure)
Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.
 

FeuerFrei

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Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.
Thanks for the moment of clarity. I asked because I intend to gift the adapter to a iPhone user who doesn't have bluetooth headphones. I'll just forget it. She already wants bluetooth earbuds.
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nakedfrog

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Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.
I own and use both, depending on what I'm doing.
 
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Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.

can you leave them in your car in sub zero weather? How about in July when the car is 100 plus degrees?
 

WelshBloke

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Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.
I've got a bunch of bluetooth head phones and I use exactly zero of them so the "you'll never go back" thing is fairly inaccurate.
My son has some sennheiser on ears that work either wired or wireless and I'd guess that about 80% of the time he has the wires attached.
 

Captante

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I have an LG v30+ and use my headphone jack on a regular basis to take full advantage of the 32-bit DAC. It works when headphones are plugged in but not using BT.
 

nOOky

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I have an LG also and I regularly use Sony studio monitor closed ear wired headphones because they beat about anything out there for sound quality, and the LG is the only phone with a suitable DAC, and the jack puts out twice the voltage of other phones so it can drive them to adequate volume levels. I also use them on airplanes for watching movies as they only accept the mini plug.

I also have a couple sets of BT earbuds and over the ear headphones for other situations like running or mowing the lawn.

As for the wife, I usually just nod my head and smile when she comes up with comments like the OP's wife, and she always says I never hear anything she says anyway so...
 

Captante

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I have an LG also and I regularly use Sony studio monitor closed ear wired headphones because they beat about anything out there for sound quality, and the LG is the only phone with a suitable DAC, and the jack puts out twice the voltage of other phones so it can drive them to adequate volume levels. I also use them on airplanes for watching movies as they only accept the mini plug.

I also have a couple sets of BT earbuds and over the ear headphones for other situations like running or mowing the lawn.

As for the wife, I usually just nod my head and smile when she comes up with comments like the OP's wife, and she always says I never hear anything she says anyway so...


Yeah that DAC is one of the best things about this phone ... I actually went back to using the audio jack for music in my car too because it sounds considerably better then BT streaming.

Unfortunately my very old Sennheisers literally fell apart a couple weeks ago and have not gotten around to to replacing them yet.

Been making do with low-end Sony MDRZ noise cancelling on-ears I forget the exact model but I paid less the $50 for them. Funny they actually sound good enough that I'm not in a serious rush to spend a bunch on new cans.
 
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SamQuint

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I will always use wired headphones. I can't stand having anything else I need to charge. Or having anything that has a rechargeable battery that will eventually lose its ability to hold a charge after a year or so. Plus I am able to purchase a cheap replacement headset anytime I need to for a few bucks and use them immediately. No waiting to charge and no need to pair.
 

WhiteNoise

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This is why I did not upgrade my iphone yet. I hate that dongle and my 6sPlus still retains the 3.5mm coax spdif port. As much as I love the iphone; I doubt i'll buy another one which is too bad because iphone makes a great phone.

I suppose I will have to just deal with it eventually but I'll run my iphone as long as possible.
 

Ichinisan

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This is why I did not upgrade my iphone yet. I hate that dongle and my 6sPlus still retains the 3.5mm coax spdif port. As much as I love the iphone; I doubt i'll buy another one which is too bad because iphone makes a great phone.

I suppose I will have to just deal with it eventually but I'll run my iphone as long as possible.

"... 3.5mm coax spdif port ..."

Wait a second, ...

iPhone can do digital audio through the 3.5mm jack?

I've had coaxial S/PDIF stuff. I've had optical S/PDIF stuff.

I've had computers with S/PDIF optical components in a combo 3.5mm TRS jack (the same jack can also interface with standard headphones).

I've had TOSLINK fiber optic S/PDIF cables with 3.5mm adapter dongles on each end.

... but I never heard of iPhones having S/PDIF (neither coax nor optical). If they had it, that's neat but I can't imagine 1 out of 1,000 iPhone owners used it.
 
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LikeLinus

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Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.

Wrong. I've got Sennheiser Bluetooth headphones that are great and have their purpose. But I'll take a high quality pair of wired headphones over Bluetooth any day of the week. I use a mix of both, but Bluetooth headphones just aren't nearly as good.

It might be true for the average consumer who doesn't have a clue about sound quality.
 

Exterous

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When do people have head phone in?
The only time I see it is with runners. (no one here, right?)

I travel a lot and always use them on flights. Or when the wife and I are both in the office working and she wants to listen to a podcast while I want to listen to music

Why can't you do Bluetooth? Go wireless...you'll never go back. It's why Apple did away with the headphone jack in the first place.

You can get some decent cheap headphones or go with something more expensive if you choose. Bluetooth 5 is lower power and typically increases headphone battery life to 10+ hours.
It's easier to find OK quality plus cheap wired headphones. And they still work if I forget to charge them. And they won't be sent to a landfill in a year when the non replaceable battery can't hold a charge. And I can leave them in the car in the winter and summer. If I lose a set or they break on a trip I can easily by a new pair and get decent quality without waiting to charge. Your ability to find 'decent' wireless headphones at many travel destinations is questionable
 

KMFJD

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Maybe instead of shaving a fraction of a mm no one gives a shit about aside from tards reading spec sheets, they should just put in a fuckin' headphone jack. I got a low end phone last time so I could have a removable battery, and I guess a headphone jack, but things hadn't gotten stupid at that point. Most phones still had jacks. It's in a case, and only the most hardcore of *techies would know it wasn't a flagship.

*techies in regards to phones is laughable. It's basically a bunch of fanboys that eat all the shit the manufacturers shovel. They don't do any hacking, they don't do much important in any regard. They just jerkoff over spec sheets, and consume, cause resources are free afterall.
I agree with the low end phones, all i do is take calls, listen to music, text and maybe browse the internet while waiting in line or something, why spend $600+ when the $200 phone does all that just fine.
 
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mikeymikec

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I agree with the low end phones, all i do is take calls, listen to music, text and maybe browse the internet while waiting in line or something, why spend $600+ when the $200 phone does all that just fine.

+1, however I did feel slightly cheated that the Moto G5 apparently can't do wifi calling. Something else I guess to watch out for next time around.