my view on the big games of last/this year

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these are the three i currently own

Farcry - such a beautiful game....outdoors, indoors i never really felt the texture quality was all that high, things looked very flat, very grainy, and some things got that DX9 shiny effect which made everything look plastic. the characters looked plastic, and the mutated monkeys made me laugh so hard, they looked totally rediculous. even outdoors, you can pick faults, textures did that wierd stretching over tight angles, (ie cliffs, sides of rocks) and even on very high settings, vegetation still obviously faded in, and there wasn no foiliage reflections on the water. AI sucked, i found soldiers on numerous occasions just staring at the wall, even though i was right behind him. still i played it to the end, but wont be playing again

HL2 - the best looking game by far for me, graphics looked awesome, the level of interactivity was awesome, characters faces were awesome, and of course Alyx and Dog were awesome.i think the physics engine was the games ace up the sleeve. but i couldnt help think that A) the game was too short and B) the game was far too easy, even on the hardest mode, i had no trouble completing it. graphics promised in promo videos never showed up (aka HDR), and im not entirely sure that the very little in the way of scripted events idea ever made it into the game either. the game didnt seem as epic as the promo videos suggested. and playing through again pretty much showed everything was scripted. i played it twice so i guess that means something, but i find myself playing CS: S more than HL2 deathmatch which is rubbish IMO.

DooM 3 - what can i say? i havent even bothered to finish it. i got so bored with the running round in a dark room, monster popping out the closet and shooting imps 2-3 times with the shot gun. i also found it fairly difficult, and it does feel like id been playing forever, only to find there was a good weeks worth of levels still to go. lighing and atmosphere was really good, but most things just didnt look that high a resolution, compared to promo material. characters suits and clothing looked well fuzzy and blotchy, and that crazy scientist guy (good solid idea for a story i think not) had a hexagnol head!
how could ID get a game so wrong, it was repetitive drivel that i could of done not spending money on (but i did coz i wanted to show my 6800GT off) its a poor game IMO, with a few fancy grahics. again most things in this appeared plastic, but not as bad as Farcry. - havent bothered to finish this game, its complete rubbish

UT2004 - big fan of this, so guess this is biased, but even though theres plenty of game types, i find my self gettin bored quickly with anything but onslaught and assault. graphically even though its old technology compared to the above, i dont think they could of done anybetter, textures are crisp and colours are wonderful. physics arent OTT, everything just moves right, the game feels right. dont think epic can top this if they used the same game engine. UT2004 is almost perfect and it will be a keeper.

the last really good single palyer game i played, (UT is stil great) was Return to castle wolfenstein. i played that like there was no tomorrow, i didnt wanna turn it off, it was such a compelling game to play. infact, im gonna crack it open now and have a play
 

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I played the demo for ut2k4, loved it, and bought the full dvd version. But then I got sick of it very soon. The movement is too fast, compared to q3/q2, which I am a huge fan of. I'd join servers and people would be double/triple jumping everywhere, flying across my screen. Playing went from enjoyable to one gigantic twitch-fest in a matter of minutes. I mean, those guys who can fly around and still get headshots are good. But thats not my kind of game.

So I got an xbox and halo 2. Long story short, I haven't played UT2k4 since November 9. And I'm loving halo2 more and more (though I still have to get as good at using the gamepad as I am with the keyboard + mouse)
 

royaldank

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'Return to castle wolfenstein' was not released last year. I believe it was spring of 03 if not earlier than that.

I really enjoyed HL2. Thought it was fun. Played some of Doom 3 but not enough to say how it was overall. Sound and graphics were impressive while I played it.

I think Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 was an impressive game that came out last year. It's pretty cool what all you can design with that thing.
 

BlueWeasel

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RTCW was released during the summer of 2002, and the multiplayer expansion, Enemy Territory was released during 2003.

I loved the single-player campaign for RTCW as well.
 

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I agree with you on Wolfenstein. That one is a classic in my book. I just started playing it again about a month ago when I built my newest gaming system and I had forgotten how much fun it was. I thought FarCry was the "prettiest" game I had seen to date until Half Life 2 came out. Having a DX9 video card (2 of them actually :))makes alot of difference too compared to what I had before. Doom 3? I dunno. . .I'll let you know after I play it with a pair of night vision goggles on. The Battlefield series is still my personal favorite set of games. Not too much "run n gun" and blind bullet spraying. Takes some strategy and skill at many different aspects (driving, flying, aiming, shooting, bombing) and one guy can make a difference. I like the team oriented play though more than the "every guy for himself" deathmatch kind of games. The Battlefield graphics are not top notch but they are more than acceptable and the multidimensional aspects of gameplay, to me, more than make up for any graphical shortcomings. Now if only somebody would come up with a solution to the age-old problem that plagues all multiplayer games. . .SPAWN CAMPING!
 

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After playing Doom3, Rome-Total War and World of Warcraft here is my opinion:

Doom3: Great graphics. Exciting for a while. Bored to death after a week. never bothered to finish it.

Rome-Total War: Excellent all-around game. AI is challenging. Graphics are great (i.e a foggy morning battlefield actually looks foggy). Rates a 9 of 10. Only drawback was no online strategy gaming, just battles.

World of Warcraft: Typical MMORPG, but the most polished by far. Best of it's class and I've played AC, EQ and DAOC.

IMHO.
 

n7

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I guess i am a bit of a strange one...


I played the Far Cry Demo a bit, but i never bothered with buying it.

I played Doom 3 for a couple hours & then got bored of it.

I bought HL2 thinking surely i would get my money's worth out of it, but after getting stuck somewhere after a few hours of play, i got frustrated & went back to playing what i normally do, & didn't bother with finishing HL2.

UT2k4 has been an amazing journey for me this year.
I guess multiplayer online FPS games are my love, because i have played UT2k4 ever since it came out serveral times a week (usually 5 or 6 days outta 7, since work takes up some time :p)

The community is so awesome in UT2k4 once you get into it.

The truth be told, i still suck @ UT2k4...there are so many better players out there who have played the game since '99, & even new players that simple have more skill than i do sadly, but i still love it :)
The mod servers are what has kept in so addicted.

Standard stock settings in UT2k4 is a little boring to me, because of the slow pace & slow weapons, but i still do play stock ONS or DM once & awhile.
I got into low-g mod weapon server after a few wks. of playing because i love the faster pace.
I mainly play low-g PIG (psyco instagib) now, since the speed is insane, espcially with quad-jump & wall-dodge.

The funny thing is, i have only really played DM, [V]CTF, & ONS.

That means if i ever get bored of my current love (CTF), i have so many other modes i could get into.

I still cannot get over how much fun the game is, & how i just never get bored of the game :D

/end UT2k4 promo :heart:
 

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I think farcry is a much better game than HL2. I do not feel bothered to finish HL2, although i know i am not far from the end .. i was impressed at the graphics at first, and found it fun but as the game shifted to more inside environments, and repetitive enemies, i lost interest totally.

Farcry on the other hand i am playing right now - and loving every minute!

I did play the UT2004 demo, and found it fun, but i can see how it would get old fast.
 
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sorry about the RTCW bit, i know it was released ages ago, but i was just saying, no matter what has come out, RTCW has been the best single player game ive played.

UT series stays alive becuase of the sheer amount of support and modifications you can get, sure theres some complete crap stuff out there, but alot of it is very good, and it always keeps me coming back for more.
 

Fern

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I liked Far Cry more than you. I didn't notice too many instances of "stupid" AI. This is an OMG beautiful game that has replay value for me.

D3, Begining and ending were the best parts. Middle bored me like almost everyone else Too cramped and repetitive. Unlike most others, the darkness and flashlight thingy didn't bother me at all (well I did adjust gamma a bit).

UT2K4. I like this game. All of replay value for me.

HL2. I can't be bothered. I have an "attitude" against the Steam thing

Painkiller and BoH expansion pack. One of the most fun games I have played from last year. The levels/chapters are soo varied, it's like a collection of a bunch of games. Some are run-n-gun, some are tactical, one has a lot of jumping etc. Good gfx, music and wasn't a system hog like D3. Another game with replay value.

Chronicals of Riddick. Sounds like a "sleeper" from late last year. I wanna play this based on what others have said about it.

Fern
 

Rottie

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I bought those games (RTCW, E.T., UT2K4, Doom 3, and Far Cry) they all are plain bored and I haven't finished them yet. Should I bother buy HL 2? I dunno.
 

BespinReactorShaft

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I don't see RTCW being in an apple-to-apple comparison with FC, HL2, D3. Comparable titles that I would highlight: Jedi Outcast, No One Lives Forever 2. UT2k4 I don't care much for (heck I haven't bothered to finish the original UT...)

Difficulty/AI: FC > HL2 > D3 -- FC is tough going from the get-go, with mercenaries that spot you from a mile away and best of all monkey trigens. HL2 is more an atmospheric stroll, with fast zombies to raise your adrenaline and striders/antlion guardians to test your patience. Except for the hell knights, D3 relies almost entirely on shock and awe which totally wimps out once you get clued in.

Eye candy: FC > HL2 > D3 -- I have a thing for FC's island paradise environment foiled only by the lack of Valerie in swimwear. HL2 is a close second as I don't care as much for gritty urban settings nor superb facial animation. D3's got fancy lights, showy machinery and foreboding darkness and NO pools of liquid... for the length of the entire game.

Sound: HL2 > D3 > FC -- HL2 has zombie screams and howls galore, nuff said. D3 has creepy whispers but most sounds have a somewhat muted/distant feel to them. FC has corny mercenary taunts but a pretty good music theme.

Story: D3 > HL2 > FC -- Despite being conveyed via boring PDAs, D3 has a more or less complete plot but hey it's been-there-done-that. HL2's premise has much going for it but the execution was frustratingly poor. FC has a passable story but it's basically a running commentary on who you should go shoot and why.

Fun factor: HL2 > FC >> D3 -- Vehicles and gravity gun, nuff said. FC has vehicles and wide open expanses for sniping goodness. D3 ...:disgust:

Weapons: FC > HL2 > D3 -- I have thing for CS's arsenal so realism counts and FC wins hands down in terms of variety and firepower. Aside from the gravity gun, HL2 has half-interesting alien additions but none that measure up to those in HL1 and its add-ons. D3's are inexplicably "soft" for a title that used to imply hard-hitting gibfests, but what kills it is the uber-munchkin soul cube.

Funny thing is, though, I'm not a fan of any of the three. FC is a little distant and unforgiving, D3 has uber-n00b dramatic cutscenes before introducing some critters, HL2 has that scientist-turned-messiah angle. And last but not least, none of them offer any GIBLETS!!! :|
 
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Originally posted by: ming2020
I don't see RTCW being in an apple-to-apple comparison with FC, HL2, D3. Comparable titles that I would highlight: Jedi Outcast, No One Lives Forever 2. UT2k4 I don't care much for (heck I haven't bothered to finish the original UT...)

Difficulty/AI: FC > HL2 > D3 -- FC is tough going from the get-go, with mercenaries that spot you from a mile away and best of all monkey trigens. HL2 is more an atmospheric stroll, with fast zombies to raise your adrenaline and striders/antlion guardians to test your patience. Except for the hell knights, D3 relies almost entirely on shock and awe which totally wimps out once you get clued in.

Eye candy: FC > HL2 > D3 -- I have a thing for FC's island paradise environment foiled only by the lack of Valerie in swimwear. HL2 is a close second as I don't care as much for gritty urban settings nor superb facial animation. D3's got fancy lights, showy machinery and foreboding darkness and NO pools of liquid... for the length of the entire game.

Sound: HL2 > D3 > FC -- HL2 has zombie screams and howls galore, nuff said. D3 has creepy whispers but most sounds have a somewhat muted/distant feel to them. FC has corny mercenary taunts but a pretty good music theme.

Story: D3 > HL2 > FC -- Despite being conveyed via boring PDAs, D3 has a more or less complete plot but hey it's been-there-done-that. HL2's premise has much going for it but the execution was frustratingly poor. FC has a passable story but it's basically a running commentary on who you should go shoot and why.

Fun factor: HL2 > FC >> D3 -- Vehicles and gravity gun, nuff said. FC has vehicles and wide open expanses for sniping goodness. D3 ...:disgust:

Weapons: FC > HL2 > D3 -- I have thing for CS's arsenal so realism counts and FC wins hands down in terms of variety and firepower. Aside from the gravity gun, HL2 has half-interesting alien additions but none that measure up to those in HL1 and its add-ons. D3's are inexplicably "soft" for a title that used to imply hard-hitting gibfests, but what kills it is the uber-munchkin soul cube.

Funny thing is, though, I'm not a fan of any of the three. FC is a little distant and unforgiving, D3 has uber-n00b dramatic cutscenes before introducing some critters, HL2 has that scientist-turned-messiah angle. And last but not least, none of them offer any GIBLETS!!! :|

I haven't played through all three games (I'm about 80% through FC, and not far into D3 and HL2) - but I found myself agreeing with the majority of what you were saying here. :)

Especially with a bit of tweaking (with respect to the draw distance of vegetation, among other things), FarCry looks absolutely stunning. The lush tropical island scenes....I'd never seen anything like it. It's very impressive given that it's been almost a year since its release, and also that there was no hype of any significant amount before its release last March - it just kinda came out of nowhere and pleasantly surprised everyone (or me, at least). However, my days of playing at full settings at 75+fps are out the window now that I have a 1680x1050 monitor, even with my 6800GT. :p Anyways, I think the AI in FC is pretty good, not necessarily great. Sound is good, and music is quite above average, in my opinion. The music always fits the in-game situation rather well - and I'm fond of the title track/menu music as well. The physics could be better, but the vehicles are great.

HL2...like I said, I really haven't yet played this enough to make an accurate judgment or informed opinion yet. (I bought it like the day after its release on Steam too....I'm just slow about getting through games these days. Notice how I'm still only 80% through FC, and I got that last March :p). Most of my experience so far was actually playing it at a LAN party (and watching other people play it), with my computer hooked up to a HDTV over DVI, plus an optical SPDIF cable carrying the Dolby Digital sound (obligatory pic). I really like what I've seen so far. The sound is good, the music (limited amount I've heard so far) is good too. The graphics are amazing as well. The water is quite a bit more impressive than FarCry's, IMO. It just looks plain realistic.

My only real complaint is that they could have had perhaps more detailed level geometry (using a huge flat rectangle for a wall, without even so much as bump mapping, is SO 1999 :p). Along these same lines, textures could stand to be quite a bit more detailed as well. In all fairness, this is a problem with ALL games currently, not just HL2. If I can get most of the textures in Unreal to look so detailed that you basically can't see any degradation even when looking at them close (check out the "brick" detail in the lower left corner of the pic) - why can't I do that with any current games, even at their highest detail settings (except for certain places in the game - I remember seeing a few nice floors in FarCry)? (Not to mention that Unreal is a 1998 game, with the high-res S3TC textures ripped from UT, a 1999 game...) Just one of my annoyances with current gaming/graphics in general.

Doom 3 - same story; I haven't played enough to form much of an opinion yet. However, I like what I see so far. I know that D3 is bashed around here for being too linear, etc. - but this is basically what the game is meant to be, nothing more. Somewhat of an interactive horror movie, if you will. (I agree with the previous poster's comments that the story through PDA logs is a nice touch too.) Yes, the game is dark - but not everything can (or should) be pretty saturated colors like Unreal or FarCry. The player models are pretty nice, and the animations are quite good as well. My only complaint is again, the textures. When you are looking around a room and notice that the wall next to you looks blurry to an extent...eh, they could have done better. But once again, this is not a D3 specific problem. The sound is really nice in Doom 3 as well - yet another fun HT gaming experience at a LAN party. It's not a deep game, nor was it meant to be IMO.

Other than the "big three" - I also like UT2004 a lot. First of all, it's an incredible value for the amount of content you get. For $40, I got the Collector's Edition (and what seemed to be the last one in my city :p). That includes all the valuable UnrealEd tutorials on the second DVD, in addition to of course the game on the main DVD (it's about time they started moving over to DVD...). Of course, not everyone is going to want to learn about this stuff, but it's a nice touch. Not to mention the CE came with a headset as well. But even if we just look at the game itself - I believe it comes with over 100 maps; all the UT2003 content, plus tons of new stuff. I'm sure people have bought the game for Onslaught alone, which is an awesome addition. However, with all that said, I still find myself playing the original UT more. This is partly because I play with a group of friends, most of whom have slower computers that wouldn't be able to handle UT2004 too well. Secondly, UT2004 still feels a bit "off" - the controls just don't seem quite as fluid as with UT, although it's nothing bad. There are tons of awesome maps I have for UT2004 though (CBP1 and CBP2 are all good stuff, really), but too bad no one in my group really plays it.

I also thought the Painkiller demo last year was nice, and one of these days I still want to pick up the full game and give it a shot.

OK, I think I've rambled on enough for now. :p More to come whenever I get further into HL2 and D3. ;)
 

skace

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I beat RTCW, FC, HL2, Doom3, PK, Tribes:V, UT2K4 and just about any other FPS game that has come out over the last 10 years. Guess that gives me a far more well-rounded opinion of them all. There isn't a single one that I didn't quit early. Although I played FC in 2 large chunks about a month apart, thats as close as I got to being bored. Played Doom3 on hardest difficulty so I was never bored, very challenging (except for end boss).

Personally, Tribes:V had one of the best single player games out of the bunch. By far. HL2 was more 'pretty' but a bit more explorative than fun. I'd give PK 3rd place, altogether fun game, but the gameplay tends to wear on you more.
 

sandorski

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Single Player---Far Cry, but HL2 is a close second. Far Cry wins because of its' open paths and just plain great outdoor areas.

Multiplayer---HL2/CS:S. Starting to get bored with it, waiting for DOD Source.

UT2k4---I so want to play it Online, but I have a problem with it(have had the same problem with every Unreal based game), my Cable connection always Pings well to it, until I join a game. Then it just climbs into the thousands. That said, I spend more time working on Maps for UT2k4 than playing any Game. Mapping for UT2k4 is just plain fun and what you can do with the Editor and MayaPLE is just so awesome! I'll be moving soon and hope to get DSL, when that happens I've got years worth of pent up UT gaming to catch up on.
 

Regs

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Far Cry was good at first. But the weapons I thought were dull as well as the AI's response with those guns.

The rocket launcher and grenades all had the same effect. Just a rubber doll corpse bouncing up into the sky. I want to see limbs flying off. I want to see mangled bodies in trees.

The machine guns all had the same effects, just had different rates of fire. I want to see some armor piercing bullets in one of those guns. I want to see a heavy duty machine gun moa-down the forest. I also want to see at least an abrasion on the AI when I use my knife for Christ sakes! It feels like im attacking those rubber punch-me clowns that keep bouncing back up after each strike. How about an impaling cross bow? I mean hell, you're in the forest, let's go hunting. And I also want to see the arrow impaling the AI character. Not just going through him.

This is just an example for Far Cry. I think all first shooters should be like this. HL2 did an ok job with this, except watching the AI bounce off the ground after being shot while in the air was a little too much. Hl2 I think over did the rag doll effects by enormous proportions. There is only so much you can do with rag doll effects. Human Rag Dolls, all though a cool technique, is not realistic. Hl2 rag doll effects did nothing to the realism of this game and if anything all it did was hurt it. The Combine troops, after being shot out, reminded me of puppets that just got their strings cut from up above them.

D3 of course I don't think is worth mentioning for its gameplay. D3 was there only for it's environment and game engineering prestige, and to tell you the truth I was really disappointed that they had no real large areas or landscapes like they had in the old Dooms. I want to see levels like Limbo, The Mansion, and Tower of Babel under the new D3 engine.

They key ingredients to First shooters are Weapons - AI - and Environment. All did very good with environments and the interaction with the enviorments this year thanks to the new graphic engines and hardware, but I really hope they focus more on what first shooters are all about. Shooting!


 

JBT

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Out of your list HL2 and UT2004 were both SWEET. Far Cry was okay but I got bored of it. DIII just plain sucked... That was a waste of 50 bucks....
 

Regs

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I can't handle UT2K4 lol. I can see why you like it though. But for me it's a stress test gone horribly wrong. "Where's the freakin nurse, wheres the freaken nurse. Get me off this thing!" -LB
 

apoppin

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i am having trouble "getting into" FC . . . looks absolutely gorgeous.

HL2 a very good game with decent gfx

diii has an OUTSTANDING game engine with awesome lighting . . . but the game itself is a POS

Check out Chronicles of Riddick . . . . looks great , plays well with a good story and great voice acting . . . . edged out HL2 and Thief DS as my GotY

Painkiller and BOoH have excellent Gfx and are what Doom iii should have been (fun like Serious Sam)
 

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If only Painkiller made any sense from going to one circus tent level to another - It would of been my fav.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Regs
If only Painkiller made any sense from going to one circus tent level to another - It would of been my fav.

it makes about as much "sense" as the traditional religious view of hell and purgatory. :p

:roll:

i thought that's what makes PK/BOoH so . . . . unique . . . . the incredible variety of levels. And some of them looked great - with their sick and twisted themes like Leningrad, City on Water, the Hell level in PK and the final battle in BOoH . . .

i know it wasn't the cut-scenes or voice-acting. :p
:roll:
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: skace
I beat RTCW, FC, HL2, Doom3, PK, Tribes:V, UT2K4 and just about any other FPS game that has come out over the last 10 years. Guess that gives me a far more well-rounded opinion of them all. There isn't a single one that I didn't quit early. Although I played FC in 2 large chunks about a month apart, thats as close as I got to being bored. Played Doom3 on hardest difficulty so I was never bored, very challenging (except for end boss).

Personally, Tribes:V had one of the best single player games out of the bunch. By far. HL2 was more 'pretty' but a bit more explorative than fun. I'd give PK 3rd place, altogether fun game, but the gameplay tends to wear on you more.

You're not meant to "beat" UT2k4, you're meant to play it online.

And with many games (UT2k4/HL2) it's not always about the game itself, but the fact that you buy the game, play it, then you get mods and play them, so from one game you get many experiences.
 
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i like the look of Riddick, i also enjoyed the film, though i never got round to completely watching Pitch Black, to which this game is a prequel
 

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Well for some reason i found farcry hard to get inot and flat out hard to beat. I dunno why i just did:Q.

Doom 3 has good graphics and story and i enjoyed completeing it. unforunetly multiplayer sucks:disgust:.

But thats what ut2k4 is for. With all the mods avalible for the game itself and others like unwheel its easily worth the $40 and never gets old. plus the graphics are good considering the old tech.

I havent played Half-life 2 yet because i dont like the whole steam thing but i might give it a try.

But despite all these big games i still enjoy Halo (CE) (for both story and multiplayer) even though i played it to death.

By the way any info on halo 2 or ut2k5? (realease dates, anouncments, anything at all)
 

biostud

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Far Cry had the best single player IMHO. In HL-2 the pistol was often the best weapon because it was the only one that actually put the bullet at the cross hair. It's ok that rifles and sub machine guns have recoil, but the first 1-3 bullets should be dead on target. That was the main reason why I found HL-2 annoying to play.

Soldier of Fortune II is one of the best singleplayer FPS IMHO. It has lots of different cool weapons, different maps and good AI. If you ever need a really cool FPS try this.