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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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My only real issue with what he said was about throwing feces, etc at cops because they are their to serve and protect you. I'm sure the people doing those things don't feel that way about the cops who harass, shot, kill them on a daily basis.

But other than that I agree with almost all the rest.
actually the Supreme Court has stated on numerous occasions that the Police are not there to serve and protect you@!!
 

HomerJS

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I think that the protests are this bad because Trump is refusing to do anything to address the issues people are protesting and that the guy is the most divisive national leader I can remember in the West. I mean you've nearly got a low key civil war going on.
ding...ding...ding.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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Those two pictures don't appear to be what I would call riots. I don't see any property damage, looting, or beatings.
Strange how that doesn’t seem to happen until the police start getting violent.
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Greenman

Lifer
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Strange how that doesn’t seem to happen until the police start getting violent.
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I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
The bottom line is that riots aren't going to solve any problems, burning city's down isn't the answer either, and random street shootings don't seem to have had a lot of effect. Though there are a few city's that appear to be testing the limits of that one.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what the entire solution is, though I do know part of it. What I'm pretty sure of is that rioting, looting, and killing aren't going to net the desired result. And as much as we all want to believe otherwise, it isn't a bunch of old white republicans out there doing the damage.
The execution in Portland last night was a great example, fellow was murdered because he was wearing the wrong hat while walking alone down the street. Tell me again how dangerous the republicans are.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what the entire solution is...

In an ideal world....
  • They stop the riots and actually have peaceful protests.
  • We re-imagine the 2A where everyone is allowed single shot bolt action rifles.
  • Any other firearm requires a strict license of professional training and vetting.
  • We reform the police to deescalate and find ways of doing their job that keeps everyone safer. Tactical reform.
  • We achieve Basic Income and a Federal Home Loan to secure the economic (food and home) stability of all Americans.
End result is a very different society, with much less fear and violence. I fear that day will never come, given how far down the rabbit hole we are.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
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How much violence was present with that group, how much property was damaged, looted, and burned?
He did ask for Riots, the likes of which we've witnessed since George Floyd.
Same response to you. Seems like there not a lot of violence until the police react violently.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
The bottom line is that riots aren't going to solve any problems, burning city's down isn't the answer either, and random street shootings don't seem to have had a lot of effect. Though there are a few city's that appear to be testing the limits of that one.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what the entire solution is, though I do know part of it. What I'm pretty sure of is that rioting, looting, and killing aren't going to net the desired result. And as much as we all want to believe otherwise, it isn't a bunch of old white republicans out there doing the damage.
The execution in Portland last night was a great example, fellow was murdered because he was wearing the wrong hat while walking alone down the street. Tell me again how dangerous the republicans are.
In an ideal world....
  • They stop the riots and actually have peaceful protests.
  • We re-imagine the 2A where everyone is allowed single shot bolt action rifles.
  • Any other firearm requires a strict license of professional training and vetting.
  • We reform the police to deescalate and find ways of doing their job that keeps everyone safer. Tactical reform.
  • We achieve Basic Income and a Federal Home Loan to secure the economic (food and home) stability of all Americans.
End result is a very different society, with much less fear and violence. I fear that day will never come, given how far down the rabbit hole we are.

You two keep conflating protestors with rioters and looters. You do understand they are different?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Same response to you. Seems like there not a lot of violence until the police react violently.
You two keep conflating protestors with rioters and looters. You do understand they are different?

Violence, looting, and arson are not protests. They are the actions of rioters. Do you understand that difference?
You blaming the riots on actions of the police is an interesting take. Does making excuses for it, originate from a support of these riots?
 
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woolfe9998

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"A black man with common sense and integrity. Democrats can't have that. TN Democratic Party expelled him.

Edit: Expelled him in a way and at a time that prevents him from being anything other than a write-in candidate this election. They fucked him over. "


"Damn he nailed it. That should be shown in schools across the country but we all know it won’t be. Go post that on the hive and see what they say"


"Maximo Alvarez’s speech was equally moving. "


"I'd argue that there’s not always one right answer and a “fact” might not always be the same to two different people. "

He wasn't expelled over comments about protesters. He was expelled before that, months ago, in April, for voting with republicans too often.

 
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Greenman

Lifer
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You two keep conflating protestors with rioters and looters. You do understand they are different?
I understand that they're different actions, and I've heard people say it's two different groups, but the evidence so far has all been anecdotal. Even if the rioters and looters are riding the coat tails of peaceful protesters, does it matter? How do we tell one from the other? The people that have had their homes and property burned probably don't give a fuck either way.
 
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Vic

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How many right wing riots have we had since Trump took office? I don't recall there being even one.
Portland has been under siege from right wing riots for the last 4 years, and the leader of Patriot Prayer is facing felony charges for instigating a riot last year, but of course you conveniently can't recall any of that.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Right-wing authoritarians have been arrested for agitation and rioting. So yes, they're out there.

If they do their jobs right, they get riots started and blend in with the protesters.

This has been happening with the current unrest, and has been a go-to of right-wing authoritarians since the beginning of time.

They seem to enjoy hitting people with their cars too.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Portland has been under siege from right wing riots for the last 4 years, and the leader of Patriot Prayer is facing felony charges for instigating a riot last year, but of course you conveniently can't recall any of that.

The federal officer shot in Oakland whose death was used at the RNC as a political prop to implicate BLM protesters was shot by two right wing boogaloo boys.

 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
The bottom line is that riots aren't going to solve any problems, burning city's down isn't the answer either, and random street shootings don't seem to have had a lot of effect. Though there are a few city's that appear to be testing the limits of that one.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what the entire solution is, though I do know part of it. What I'm pretty sure of is that rioting, looting, and killing aren't going to net the desired result. And as much as we all want to believe otherwise, it isn't a bunch of old white republicans out there doing the damage.
The execution in Portland last night was a great example, fellow was murdered because he was wearing the wrong hat while walking alone down the street. Tell me again how dangerous the republicans are.
6ou do realize that nothing has ever came from totally peaceful protests??
 

ivwshane

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How much violence was present with that group, how much property was damaged, looted, and burned?
He did ask for Riots, the likes of which we've witnessed since George Floyd.

Let’s see if you can figure out what the difference is.
 

ondma

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6ou do realize that nothing has ever came from totally peaceful protests??
The Civil Rights protests of the 60s were by and large non-violent, in large part thanks to MLK. They were also very effective, but of course we had a President that actually supported civil rights instead of encouraging hatred and racism.

I would love to see a charismatic, non-violent person in the mold of MLK in charge of BLM.
 
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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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The Civil Rights protests of the 60s were by and large non-violent, in large part thanks to MLK. They were also very effective, but of course we had a President that actually supported civil rights instead of encouraging hatred and racism.

I would love to see a charismatic, non-violent person in the mold of MLK in charge of BLM.
By large does not mean totally pea ceful....so sorry!!
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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The Civil Rights protests of the 60s were by and large non-violent, in large part thanks to MLK. They were also very effective, but of course we had a President that actually supported civil rights instead of encouraging hatred and racism.

I would love to see a charismatic, non-violent person in the mold of MLK in charge of BLM.

Yeah, by and large as long as water cannons, dogs, billy clubs aren’t remembered. The ‘60’s protests were frequently violent, burned areas like today, and even some college kids got the fortune to be shot by Natl Guardsmen on a campus.
 

shortylickens

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Yeah, by and large as long as water cannons, dogs, billy clubs aren’t remembered. The ‘60’s protests were frequently violent, burned areas like today, and even some college kids got the fortune to be shot by Natl Guardsmen on a campus.
No offense but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
The Civil Rights PROTESTS of the 60s were non-violent. The response to them was violence.
And the kids getting shot on campus were protesting the war, which was not part of this fucking conversation you butthead.

What we have now is quite different because theres some evidence the protestors are also encouraging violence and the police and Donald the wrinkled fat fucking cock-sucker are using that as an excuse to shoot people and abduct them in unmarked vans.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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No offense but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
The Civil Rights PROTESTS of the 60s were non-violent. The response to them was violence.
And the kids getting shot on campus were protesting the war, which was not part of this fucking conversation you butthead.

What we have now is quite different because theres some evidence the protestors are also encouraging violence and the police and Donald the wrinkled fat fucking cock-sucker are using that as an excuse to shoot people and abduct them in unmarked vans.
Guess what happened to good old peaceful MLK. He was murdered. Then guess what happened after that. Urban areas burned across the nation. Don't know what the fuck you're talking about my ass!
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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No offense but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
The Civil Rights PROTESTS of the 60s were non-violent. The response to them was violence.
And the kids getting shot on campus were protesting the war, which was not part of this fucking conversation you butthead.

What we have now is quite different because theres some evidence the protestors are also encouraging violence and the police and Donald the wrinkled fat fucking cock-sucker are using that as an excuse to shoot people and abduct them in unmarked vans.
You have no clue! Are you a bootlicker??You are totally out of your league and you are delusional if you believe for a minute that the protests of the 60`s were totally non violent! I doubt you were even around in the 60`s!!
You have to crazy if you think protester held hand and sang kumbaya!!
So no offense if i call you on your delusional statements!!
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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Guess what happened to good old peaceful MLK. He was murdered. Then guess what happened after that. Urban areas burned across the nation. Don't know what the fuck you're talking about my ass!
OK you very clearly did not read what I wrote. You skimmed it, looked for keywords, and replied to those.
 

nickqt

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No offense but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
The Civil Rights PROTESTS of the 60s were non-violent. The response to them was violence.
And the kids getting shot on campus were protesting the war, which was not part of this fucking conversation you butthead.

What we have now is quite different because theres some evidence the protestors are also encouraging violence and the police and Donald the wrinkled fat fucking cock-sucker are using that as an excuse to shoot people and abduct them in unmarked vans.
There's lots of established evidence that RIGHT WING AGITATORS are going to protests and then provoking riots and violence.

Let's start at the beginning of all of this.

Umbrella Man, a right-wing white supremacist agitator who has a warrant out for his arrest. Mitchell Wesley Carlson. Radio silence on this guy for the past month.

Right-wing authoritarians are on both sides, provoking violence and rioting, so that they can come and clean-up using as much force as they can get away with.

Trump is a social dominator. He doesn't want peace, he wants chaos. During chaos dominators get to use their power at maximum, typically to consolidate that power.