My "Tiger" OS X opinion...

Aenslead

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Hello, everyone.

I read Anand's review on the Mac OS X "Tiger" and I found little reason to convince me that it was indeed a better OS than Windows. Little to none. I find it, pretty much based on Anand's words, as simply "another OS".

Performance:
It was very interesting to note that everyone claims that every new OS from apple is faster than the last one. I find this a very flawed statement.

First, OS X is NOT A NEW OS, it is simply a revision of the X series. In other words, it is something like a "Service Pack". Apple marketing department, who I deeply respect for what they have acheeved, have made it look as it was "a NEW OS". Its not, I repeat: its a revision. Its a ".4" instead of a ".3"; a NEW OS would be Mac OS- XI (or 11... whatever) which uses something completly different than the former. Yes? Maybe not many remember the transition from Mac OS 8 to X.

It is OBVIOUS that performance bennefits will come with a new revission, but we have been living on this on the PC since the Win95 days. Don't remember? Well, tech-savies will know that updated drivers will yeild a 2-5% increase of performance in whatever plataform; add that to a 10% from a new video card driver, and another 3% from a new IDE/S-ATA driver, and so on. It is well known that a computer with updated drivers can perform up to 20-30% faster than an identical setup but with out-of-date drivers. So nothing spectacular there. Apple can bundle the drivers in the new revision because... well... they only have 2 or 3 sets of hardware for their OS, whereas on the PC you have many... to say the least.

Also, Anand stated that the Tiger on a Dual G5 took 45 seconds to boot. WTF? My Duron @ 1.8Ghz/512Mb RAM w/integrated nVidia graphics boots in 25 seconds since I push the button! Not to mention my A64 rig gets to do it on 15 seconds. Some Intel mobo/cpu combos are said to boot WinXP even faster.

My take?
OS X Tiger is faster than previous incarnations: true.
Only Apple OS get faster every time a new version comes out: false.
OS X Tiger is faster than Windows XP SP2: NOT.

Pricing:
Paying for an update? Yeah, right.... I get SP for free from MS, and free driver updates, too!

Eye Candy:
Yeah. Tiger is pretty. Yeah, by default. But anyone can make WinXP look even better. ItmPls showed all of us how GOOD WinXP can actually look. I myself have tried it, too, and as you can see in my signature, my desktop is as pretty as any OS X can be. Sure, you need 3 or 4 3rd party apps to make this possible, like Konfabulator, Icon X, Object Dock and StyleXP, but the point is simple: WInXP can be prettier than OS X, and that "eye candy" statement that Mac owners say they have over WinXP users is false.

Ease of use:
It caught my attention when Anand mentioned that there is this special folder where all of your recent files are shown... well... that's not new at all. See the "Recent Documents" on the Start Menu? Who's copying who?

Ease of use?! Of one button mouse? No. Nu-huh. Anyone who likes the word "easy" will aquire a two button mouse imediately. I've used Mac OS X a couple of times, and... well... I like to find ALL of my programs in ONE SIMPLE MENU... not having to look for them in folders and folders. I mean, Win 3.1 is easier than that!

Conclusion:
I adore those Marketing guys at Apple. I mean... they KNOW their stuff. You gotta give it to them: make a simple ugrade look like it was the best OS to be released in years. The rest, well... you should have made up your mind already. I did.

BTW: I left out the security part on purpose. I mean, why would a SMART hacker want to attack an OS that only 2% of the computer users have and whose only personality is the very Mac they own?

Cheers.



 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Hello, everyone.

First, OS X is NOT A NEW OS, it is simply a revision of the X series. In other words, it is something like a "Service Pack". Apple marketing department, who I deeply respect for what they have acheeved, have made it look as it was "a NEW OS". Its not, I repeat: its a revision. Its a ".4" instead of a ".3"; a NEW OS would be Mac OS- XI (or 11... whatever) which uses something completly different than the former. Yes? Maybe not many remember the transition from Mac OS 8 to X.

OS X, specificallly the X is a marketing thing. They won't give it up. Look at the list of changes to 10.4. Really, I'll wait.

Ok, now that you've looked over the OVER 200 CHANGES, think about this again. It's not a service pack. sp2 was great, but the number of changes in it does not compare to what changed between 10.3 and 10.4.

Major change? gcc 4 instead of gcc 3. There you go.

It is OBVIOUS that performance bennefits will come with a new revission, but we have been living on this on the PC since the Win95 days. Don't remember? Well, tech-savies will know that updated drivers will yeild a 2-5% increase of performance in whatever plataform; add that to a 10% from a new video card driver, and another 3% from a new IDE/S-ATA driver, and so on. It is well known that a computer with updated drivers can perform up to 20-30% faster than an identical setup but with out-of-date drivers. So nothing spectacular there. Apple can bundle the drivers in the new revision because... well... they only have 2 or 3 sets of hardware for their OS, whereas on the PC you have many... to say the least.

And how much comes from compiler revisions? That is a place where you will see some improvements from Apple.

My take?
OS X Tiger is faster than previous incarnations: true.
Only Apple OS get faster every time a new version comes out: false.

Link?

OS X Tiger is faster than Windows XP SP2: NOT.

So?

Pricing:
Paying for an update? Yeah, right.... I get SP for free from MS, and free driver updates, too!

Some people paid for XP when they already had 2k. IT'S THE SAME THING.

Eye Candy:
Yeah. Tiger is pretty. Yeah, by default. But anyone can make WinXP look even better. ItmPls showed all of us how GOOD WinXP can actually look. I myself have tried it, too, and as you can see in my signature, my desktop is as pretty as any OS X can be. Sure, you need 3 or 4 3rd party apps to make this possible, like Konfabulator, Icon X, Object Dock and StyleXP, but the point is simple: WInXP can be prettier than OS X, and that "eye candy" statement that Mac owners say they have over WinXP users is false.

You can't compare stock OS X to modified XP. It's just stupid.

Ease of use:
It caught my attention when Anand mentioned that there is this special folder where all of your recent files are shown... well... that's not new at all. See the "Recent Documents" on the Start Menu? Who's copying who?

Everyone copies everyone else. Nothing new.

Ease of use?! Of one button mouse? No. Nu-huh.

Use a multi-button mouse. DUH. You morons keep spouting this bullshit, day in and day out, but you DON'T BOTHER TO DEAL WITH THE TRUTH. Plus, the "right click" function is only a button on the keyboard press away. Your hand is already there anyhow, might as well use it.

Anyone who likes the word "easy" will aquire a two button mouse imediately. I've used Mac OS X a couple of times, and... well... I like to find ALL of my programs in ONE SIMPLE MENU... not having to look for them in folders and folders. I mean, Win 3.1 is easier than that!

Mine are all easy to find. I have a link or whatever in my dock to the applications folder. Everything's there.

Conclusion:
I adore those Marketing guys at Apple. I mean... they KNOW their stuff. You gotta give it to them: make a simple ugrade look like it was the best OS to be released in years. The rest, well... you should have made up your mind already. I did.

It's more than a simple update fucktard.

BTW: I left out the security part on purpose. I mean, why would a SMART hacker want to attack an OS that only 2% of the computer users have and whose only personality is the very Mac they own?

Because OS X would give you a better platform than Windows. ;)


Got anything that isn't flame bait? What kind of machine are you running 10.4 on?
 

Aenslead

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Great to have an opinion of an Apple fanboy. Thankyou for participating in our forums! :)

BTW, fucktard, if you can read (which I hope you can at least do in an average manner) you will se "MY OPINION BASED ON ANAND'S REVIEW".
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great to have an opinion of an Apple fanboy. Thankyou for participating in our forums! :)

I'm not an apple fanboy.

What kind of hardware are you running OS X on again?

Care to address any of my points, or are you just here to be a retard?
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great to have an opinion of an Apple fanboy. Thankyou for participating in our forums! :)

I'm not an apple fanboy.

What kind of hardware are you running OS X on again?

Care to address any of my points, or are you just here to be a retard?


Ok, retard. A fanboy is someone who uses agresive words when an opinion different from his/hers are exposed.

I've run OS X on a G5 w/GeForce 5200; not owner, but I have used it. .. fanboy. Happy?
 

XBoxLPU

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great to have an opinion of an Apple fanboy. Thankyou for participating in our forums!

Great to have an opinion of a PC zealot idiot. Thankyou for participating in our forums!
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great to have an opinion of an Apple fanboy. Thankyou for participating in our forums! :)

I'm not an apple fanboy.

What kind of hardware are you running OS X on again?

Care to address any of my points, or are you just here to be a retard?


Ok, retard. A fanboy is someone who uses agresive words when an opinion different from his/hers are exposed.

*yawn* You're not expressing an opinion, you're trolling.

I've run OS X on a G5 w/GeForce 5200; not owner, but I have used it. .. fanboy. Happy?

No, not really. You're not using it much, how much of an opinion can you have? Troll.
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Ok, retard. A fanboy is someone who uses agresive words when an opinion different from his/hers are exposed.

*yawn* You're not expressing an opinion, you're trolling.[/quote]

Fancy that you tell me I am trolling.

Listen, fanboy, I am really sorry I hurt your feelings. Really. I mean... get over it, ok? Move on and read another thread that says Apple RuLeZz or... whatever OPINION makes you happy.

Thankyou for replying. :)



 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead

Listen, fanboy, I am really sorry I hurt your feelings. Really. I mean... get over it, ok? Move on and read another thread that says Apple RuLeZz or... whatever OPINION makes you happy.

Thankyou for replying. :)

Still not a fanboy, troll. Care to explain how over 200 changes, including some major backend changes aren't worth a new version of the OS?
 

KH85

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Yeah. Tiger is pretty. Yeah, by default. But anyone can make WinXP look even better. ItmPls showed all of us how GOOD WinXP can actually look. I myself have tried it, too, and as you can see in my signature, my desktop is as pretty as any OS X can be

It looks no where near as good OSX looks. Get rid of that Blue Task and you will be nearly there.

They are both good OS's in there own right, i see no reason to keep comparing them. People use what they want to use.

I am not biased in either way, i am mainly a Windows user.
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: KHGamez
Yeah. Tiger is pretty. Yeah, by default. But anyone can make WinXP look even better. ItmPls showed all of us how GOOD WinXP can actually look. I myself have tried it, too, and as you can see in my signature, my desktop is as pretty as any OS X can be

It looks no where near as good OSX looks. Get rid of that Blue Task and you will be nearly there.

They are both good OS's in there own right, i see no reason to keep comparing them. People use what they want to use.

I am not biased in either way, i am mainly a Windows user.


Well... mine's not as good as ItmPls' here...

Point was that desktops can look pretty enough. Its not a "Mac OS X" only thing.
 

daniel1113

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I've been playing with Tiger for the past few days, and am perplexed: Why on earth do half the windows use the brushed metal look, and the others use the aqua look? It's driving me nuts... I want all my windows to be skinned Aqua style.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Originally posted by: KHGamez
Yeah. Tiger is pretty. Yeah, by default. But anyone can make WinXP look even better. ItmPls showed all of us how GOOD WinXP can actually look. I myself have tried it, too, and as you can see in my signature, my desktop is as pretty as any OS X can be

It looks no where near as good OSX looks. Get rid of that Blue Task and you will be nearly there.

They are both good OS's in there own right, i see no reason to keep comparing them. People use what they want to use.

I am not biased in either way, i am mainly a Windows user.


Well... mine's not as good as ItmPls' here...

Point was that desktops can look pretty enough. Its not a "Mac OS X" only thing.

Most modern GUI systems can look pretty good. X11 has some neat WMs these days. Pretty slick.
 

Sunner

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I'm not an Apple fanboy whatsoever, in fact I currently don't own a single piece of Apple hardware(though I'd very much like a dual G5).
But that's not needed to see that the OP is just full of bullshit flamebait.

Go away troll.

Oh and since you seem so stuck up on numbers, do you know what the version numbers are for Win2K and XP respectively?
 

imported_Mags

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
I've run OS X on a G5 w/GeForce 5200; not owner, but I have used it.

For how long? And what version of Mac OS X was loaded on that machine?, probably not 10.4, right? And if you haven't used 10.4 why do you think you are qualified to comment on Anand's review??

That would be the same as if I wrote a lenghty reply/comment on a review of some Linux distro I've never tried, though I've used some versions of Linux (but not on my own machines).
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
bwahahaha! I just looked at your desktop. Haha! Usiing a dock-a-like program?

Yeah, I am. I like that feature and I don't have to go to an Apple OS X to get it. I can have it free, thanks to Object Dock. You can download it, too, if you want.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
bwahahaha! I just looked at your desktop. Haha! Usiing a dock-a-like program?

Yeah, I am. I like that feature and I don't have to go to an Apple OS X to get it. I can have it free, thanks to Object Dock. You can download it, too, if you want.

I don't use Windows enough to need one of the crappiest apple technologies in it. :p
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: Sunner
I'm not an Apple fanboy whatsoever, in fact I currently don't own a single piece of Apple hardware(though I'd very much like a dual G5).
But that's not needed to see that the OP is just full of bullshit flamebait.

Flamebait? So if I come in saying that in my experience I have liked more Intel than AMD that's a flamebait too? Flamebait is to say something that I desagree on? I am astonished. I cannot possibly comment any further.

Dear me, dear me, being named "troll" and accused of having written a "flamebait";

Wake up: point is simple.- Tiger is not at all that great. Its rather more marketing. And that's all I have to say about that.
 

RichieZ

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Originally posted by: Sunner
I'm not an Apple fanboy whatsoever, in fact I currently don't own a single piece of Apple hardware(though I'd very much like a dual G5).
But that's not needed to see that the OP is just full of bullshit flamebait.

Flamebait? So if I come in saying that in my experience I have liked more Intel than AMD that's a flamebait too? Flamebait is to say something that I desagree on? I am astonished. I cannot possibly comment any further.

Dear me, dear me, being named "troll" and accused of having written a "flamebait";

Wake up: point is simple.- Tiger is not at all that great. Its rather more marketing. And that's all I have to say about that.

great thanks for telling me, i have both a thinkpad and a powerbook but i guess i'll stop using my powerbook b/c u told me its not good enough.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Originally posted by: Sunner
I'm not an Apple fanboy whatsoever, in fact I currently don't own a single piece of Apple hardware(though I'd very much like a dual G5).
But that's not needed to see that the OP is just full of bullshit flamebait.

Flamebait? So if I come in saying that in my experience I have liked more Intel than AMD that's a flamebait too? Flamebait is to say something that I desagree on? I am astonished. I cannot possibly comment any further.

Dear me, dear me, being named "troll" and accused of having written a "flamebait";

Wake up: point is simple.- Tiger is not at all that great. Its rather more marketing. And that's all I have to say about that.

And that is flamebait. You have provided no real reason why it's a "marketing" update or whatever. Come back with some facts, and I'll post nicely.
 

drag

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Originally posted by: Sunner
I'm not an Apple fanboy whatsoever, in fact I currently don't own a single piece of Apple hardware(though I'd very much like a dual G5).
But that's not needed to see that the OP is just full of bullshit flamebait.

Flamebait? So if I come in saying that in my experience I have liked more Intel than AMD that's a flamebait too? Flamebait is to say something that I desagree on? I am astonished. I cannot possibly comment any further.

Dear me, dear me, being named "troll" and accused of having written a "flamebait";

Wake up: point is simple.- Tiger is not at all that great. Its rather more marketing. And that's all I have to say about that.

Your labeled a troll becuase it's obvious that you have very little clue what your talking about and is spouting off nonsense that doesn't even make sense most of the time.

n0cmonkey replied to your silliness in the first post and you countered by calling him a fanboy and a 'fucktard'

Then he said he wasn't a fanboy, but uses OS X on occasion.

Then you called him a retard.

You are a troll, and a lamer and probably a moron among other things. If you don't like being known under these lables behave like a adult.

N0cmonkey behaved and came at you in a reasonable manner. It took you _ONE_ post in reply to start flinging insults.

If you only want to talk to people that agree with you wtf are you doing on a internet forum?
 

sparkyclarky

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don't feed the trolls guys, even though it may be entertaining that he didn't realize that XP was a point release over 2K (with a price tag much higher than $130 I might add)

The post is obviously flamebait, so just let it die.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: drag

n0cmonkey replied to your silliness in the first post and you countered by calling him a fanboy and a 'fucktard'

"fucktard" was mine. :p
 

nweaver

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I may not always agree with n0cmonkey, but I do respect him and his opinions. Why? He has used it all, personally, not just read a review. If you are going to call him a fanboy, it better have openbsd associated with it ;)