My PC Game/Everything else Rig. 99% Complete

[funboy6942]

I got it made of used, open box, and new parts, Layout bellow....

Inwin 305 $30 Open Box Bargain Hunt (Store)
RGB Fans $37 New Amazon.com
Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K5 $139 Amazon.com
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X New $300 Amazon.com
Noctua NH-D15 6 heatpipe with Dual NF-A15 New $89 Amazon.com
Trident Z 3200mhz 16gig (8x2) $100 Used Anadtech fs/ft
EVGA GTX 1070 FTW $450~ New Evga.com
Hue+ RGB Light Strip $25 Used Ebay.com
Lava Lamp $14 New Amazon.com
PSU 850watt OCZ old as dirt, been through 5 computers, Im guessing $100 5-8 years ago maybe?
LG External BR Drive/Burner $99 Refurb Ebay.com

Total to date in her.....$1420. Not too bad I dont think at all for what it is, and I havent even tried to overclock any of it yet :O

I just got my eye on a new case, but its $250 and just dont have it yet, other then that, there she is, what you all think? Not too bad for a old fart

 

[shortylickens]

When you get right down to it the only difference between a computer and a gaming computer is the 3D accelerator.

And maybe the hard drive.
I recommend a separate hard drive for games, so all the thrashing doesn't wear out your O/S drive. It also helps with performance, slightly.

 

[funboy6942]

Oh yeah, my OS is on a 2tb hd, and all my games go to a 3tb hd

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Lol, the lava lamp is a nice touch.

FWIW, I'd splurge on an SSD, even a cheapy m.2 if your board supports it. Miles of difference between spinning rust and an SSD.

 

[funboy6942]

At some point, wayyyyy down the line when ssd's come down in price Ill do one, I just cant see spending that much on one to gain a min or two on boot up, or maybe a game boot up faster, I just cannot get over the price to space to speed value there just yet.....

As for the lamp, my buddy said there was too much empty space, and I had a skull and darth vader in there and had just bought the lamp, and damn if it didnt fit in there just right, and though the bulb does give off heat, I have so much air flow in there, it didnt raise my temps up a single bit in the case, or my cpu/gpu, so its staying

 

[funboy6942]

When you get right down to it the only difference between a computer and a gaming computer is the 3D accelerator.

And maybe the hard drive.

Speed of your ram, your cpu, if you can oc your stuff if your mobo will let you to squeeze out more frames out of it too, as well as your gpu. Depending on if you you game on ur rig at the highest settings, and maxing out the monitors you bought for it really IMO makes what you have a gaming computer, for you that is. If you cant max it all out, then you are no better off then to buy a console rig if you plan on gaming, for, again IMO, if you game on a pc vs a console, your after all that eye candy at max rez, I can do 5760x1080 without a hiccup, so I call mine a game pc, until I can come across a game I will buy that makes it look like a slide show, then at that point something will need a upgrade

 

[UsandThem]

At some point, wayyyyy down the line when ssd's come down in price Ill do one, I just cant see spending that much on one to gain a min or two on boot up, or maybe a game boot up faster, I just cannot get over the price to space to speed value there just yet.....

Upgrading from a HDD to a SSD is probably the single biggest performance boost you can do on a PC. You can get a drive like the 275GB MX300 for $79. It's not only that games load faster or Windows boots up faster, it's that your computer is so much more responsive. You bought a GTX 1070 for around $100 more than MSRP, surely you can justify a small SSD.

 

[nurturedhate]

Boot times are not the main benefit of an ssd, responsiveness is. Even a cheap 256gb one for $60 for your OS makes a world of difference. You spent as much on lighting as you would have on an ssd.

 

[funboy6942]

see thats just it, 256gb vs 2tb for around the same price so my pc is "faster", fps are not faster, load times are, so I cant see spending the money for that, rather have the space/lights for me, then responsiveness. As for my 1070, the FTW is/was the top of the line 1070 when they first came out when I bought it like around 2 years ago, yes they are cheaper now.

 

[UsandThem]

see thats just it, 256gb vs 2tb for around the same price so my pc is "faster", fps are not faster, load times are, so I cant see spending the money for that, rather have the space/lights for me, then responsiveness. As for my 1070, the FTW is/was the top of the line 1070 when they first came out when I bought it like around 2 years ago, yes they are cheaper now.

Well there is that old saying about leading a horse to water..........

After using a SSD for my OS since 2012, I can't even stand to work on a computer with a HDD. But if you're happy with your performance, that's all that matters, right?

 

[funboy6942]

I had a ssd at one point, and for me I found out I couldnt justify spending that much, granted at that time I paid out the butt for a 128gb, and Im sure they are faster now, but I just cannot see spending that much for such little space, to boot up my pc/or programs start, which I leave on all the time anyway, and Im either gaming or surfing, so I again, still cannot see buying another one as of yet. NOW when a 2tb one is around $100-$135 I will gladly replace my platters

And you gotta understand, Im 46, I been around since dial up, and Im disabled with nothing but time on hand really. Also correct me if Im wrong but even if I want better game load times wont I have to install my games still to that ssd, and with games being, some I have 50+ gigs, wont take long to fill that 256gig ssd, so there goes all that space and have to install and uninstall if I want that responsiveness in my games as well for I wont be able to install all the games I have to it. And even if I put my games installed to my other hdd, with os on the ssd, when installing games, some of the install still has to make its way to the os drive, so at some pint when installing all my games, I will fill it up with what ever has to go on the os drive when installing, even if over to my "d" drive. So again, its not leading a horse to water, its for me I cant justify the price to space to speed as of just yet. Im not saying your wrong its not going to be faster, yes, it will be everything youre saying, I just rather have the space then speed, I can wait for it, Im good, dont need that instant gratification, besides when people come over they dont go, damn, you went to that website fast, they go "DAMN IS THAT A COMPUTER?!?!?!?!" and then go "DAMN, IT LOOKS AWESOME ACROSS ALL THREE SCREENS!!!!", never heard one of my friends ever mention "you hit that button on the mouse and your computer when back to that page like it was nothing"

 

[UsandThem]

And you gotta understand, Im 46, I been around since dial up, and Im disabled with nothing but time on hand really. Also correct me if Im wrong but even if I want better game load times wont I have to install my games still to that ssd, and with games being, some I have 50+ gigs, wont take long to fill that 256gig ssd, so there goes all that space

I'm 41, so I'm not a spring chicken either

Yes, games installed on a SSD will generally load quicker (depending on game). But the real gain is having the OS on it. Windows does a lot in the background, and when it has to write to the paging file, and write/read data, a SSD is roughly 5X faster than a HDD. And if you install games to a HDD, it really shouldn't install much of anything to the SSD. Windows 10 is something like 30GB install, so a 250 -275GB should be plenty.

But you sound a lot more patient than I am. When I click on something, I want it to immediatly open. I also grew up on dialup as well (56k WOW!), but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy my 200 Mbps connection I have now.

 

[funboy6942]

200??? I have to settle with 60 and yeah, Im patient man, so Im good, and can wait till the day comes I can get a 2tb ssd for $65 or $100 I can see paying

 

[UsandThem]

200??? I have to settle with 60 and yeah, Im patient man, so Im good, and can wait till the day comes I can get a 2tb ssd for $65 or $100 I can see paying

I don't know if we'll still be alive and kicking when a person can get a 2TB SSD for $65.

They've actually been going in the opposite direction the last couple years. But there's always hope or a major price mistake a retailer honors.

 

[funboy6942]

Isnt there something they are made from that is getting harder to find?

 

[funboy6942]

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ssds-skyrocket-cost-upgrade/

 

[UsandThem]

Isnt there something they are made from that is getting harder to find?

DRAM has gone up quite a bit (and NAND as well). Since 4 manufacturers control the majority of the market, they can take their time increasing higher density NAND.

It's much like RAM. Just a few big players, high demand, and the sudden "shortage" (even more than when DDR4 first launched). DDR4 is now more expensive than when it launched.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Me weighing in here... on age... I'm 44, I remember having a 300baud modem, before HDDs even became a thing. (Cassette tape drives FTW!)... as far as SSDs... well, they DO make a PC more responsive. I've been playing with a G3258 rig with 8GB of DDR3, with a 160GB short-stroked 500GB platter (from factory) HDDs. Certainly not the slowest HDD around, and it's actually quite bearable, but I did the Windows 10 update to 1709 on it, and that... took a while. Like 3-4x as long as on my other Ryzen 5 1600 rig with 16GB DDR4@2400, and an Adata SU800 Ultimate 128GB SSD.

So, while it is still possible to go without an SSD, it really does make a perceptible difference in responsiveness in the OS, and in paging.

 

[funboy6942]

Im not doubting any of you on this one bit. I just cannot get past the price to space there is just so I can gain a min in speed or so. I just cant justify it when I can buy a 2-3tb hdd for the price of a 256gb ssd, just for the sake of it being "responsive", I (myself) am just happy as pie with the space, waiting, and what I got with all the space I could ever want or need.....plus the money I saved went into some kick ass lights and fans

 

[UsandThem]

Im not doubting any of you on this one bit. I just cannot get past the price to space there is just so I can gain a min in speed or so. I just cant justify it when I can buy a 2-3tb hdd for the price of a 256gb ssd, just for the sake of it being "responsive", I (myself) am just happy as pie with the space, waiting, and what I got with all the space I could ever want or need.....plus the money I saved went into some kick ass lights and fans

:beer: To a man who really likes his colorful fans (and lava lamp)!

 

[funboy6942]

Here is a video of it 2 days before I put the lamp in it.....

https://www.facebook.com/jason.smalley.31/videos/1730123607012434/

 

[Valantar]

a) You do know that lava lamps heat up to melt the wax inside, right? Every single one I've been around gets too hot to touch comfortably. So, effectively, you're putting a high density heat source inside your PC case. Not good. Thanks to GPU Boost 3.0, that'll likely cost you a noticeable amount of FPS - and it's not like switching it off will help, as it'll stay warm for hours. Ditch it, unless this is some newfangled lava lamp 2.0 that doesn't use hot wax for its blobs.

b) Serisously, get an SSD. Even a 250GB one. The difference between using an HDD-based system and an SSD-based one isn't really quantifiable, but rather the impression that your computer is fast. Consistently, constantly fast, with no noticeable slowdowns. Any HDD will clog up with Windows' ordinary background maintenance tasks, making your games stutter during background loading, making regular desktop usage slow (opening applications, opening files, anything Windows needs to do, boot times, etc. etc.). The difference is so massively noticeable that spending more than ~$600 on a computer without getting an SSD today is really, really silly. The "I'm used to waiting" argument really doesn't hold up in real life - once you get used to the absolute immediacy of even a cheap TLC SSD, you won't go back.

 

[funboy6942]

a) Lava lamps do use a bulb, a really tiny bulb, and I have checked all my case exhaust fans by hand, and by sensors and because of the air flow in my case has made no difference in the case or to any components in temps for me to worry about it at all. Had I stuck it in there, and put my hands by the fans and went, damn, now thats hot, I would of taken it out right away

b) Again, you guys are really trying to sell me that crack arnt you. Im happy, again, and again, and again, I cant spend $60 for 256gigs of space for the same price of 2tb of space for the sake of my computer being a little faster, thats me, I like buying in bulk for my money, Im fine with it really, I am, I am happy with the wait, that $60 puts me then $200 shy of the $260 case I have my eye on then, and Id rather see my money, then go, wow, my computer tuned on faster (though again I always leave it on), or what ever, Im totally happy guys, I just cant spend that kind of money for gigs when I can buy tb's just so my pc is more "responsive", I like my space for my money. Why is this so hard for you to believe. I had a ssd at one point many years ago, and even at that point was like, why did I buy this, its xxx faster, but cost me xxx money and I can really use the space more then what its doing for me, and returned it for it did nothing for me. IM NOT DOUBTING YOU!!!! All redacted

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[whm1974]

a) Lava lamps do use a bulb, a really tiny bulb, and I have checked all my case exhaust fans by hand, and by sensors and because of the air flow in my case has made no difference in the case or to any components in temps for me to worry about it at all. Had I stuck it in there, and put my hands by the fans and went, damn, now thats hot, I would of taken it out right away

b) Again, you guys are really trying to sell me that crack arnt you. Im happy, again, and again, and again, I cant spend $60 for 256gigs of space for the same price of 2tb of space for the sake of my computer being a little faster, thats me, I like buying in bulk for my money, Im fine with it really, I am, I am happy with the wait, that $60 puts me then $200 shy of the $260 case I have my eye on then, and Id rather see my money, then go, wow, my computer tuned on faster (though again I always leave it on), or what ever, Im totally happy guys, I just cant spend that kind of money for gigs when I can buy tb's just so my pc is more "responsive", I like my space for my money. Why is this so hard for you to believe. I had a ssd at one point many years ago, and even at that point was like, why did I buy this, its xxx faster, but cost me xxx money and I can really use the space more then what its doing for me, and returned it for it did nothing for me. IM NOT DOUBTING YOU!!!! All redacted

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Usandthem

I have to strongly disagree with you about this. After using 2 one TB SSDs for 4.5 years, there no way I'll go back to having a system without an SSD. And how much did your build cost you? Surely you could add a ~256GB SSD to your system for use a OS/important applications drive, with the 2TB HDD for games and such.

 

[UsandThem]

It's time to stop beating a dead horse.
OP does not want a SSD.
He knows they're faster.
Usandthem