My parent's are being scammed here, look at this

trmiv

Lifer
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OK, I've stopped this before it could go any further, but look at this scam these fools tried to run on my parent's This started with some items we posted for sale on a racing website. I'm a race car driver, and we were trying to sell some old heads and shocks, on a site just for racing. I posted a classfied ad about this last week. First, my paren't receive and email from someone in Holland saying they want to buy the heads.

From: Jane Smth
To: email removed
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:52 AM
Subject: Chevy cast iron 041 small block heads

Hello, In regards to your advert,I'm willing to make an offer. Pls,I'll want you to tell me its present condition. What's your last price ? I'll pay you in a Cashiers Check withdrawn from a US bank, I'll be handling the shipment, Kindly reply today, Jane,from Holland

My dad then replied with info on the heads. Next email from "Jane". This is where it starts to get suspicious.

From: Jane Smth
To: The Montagues
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:51 PM
Subject: PAYMENT/PICKUP

Hello

Thanks for the mail.I will take it for $450.I really want to buy it.
For the pick up,have arranged for
that, my shipping agent will come for the pick up as
soon as the payment is settled, I just contacted my
client in the US who is going to make the payment for
me as he is owing me some money and he said he wants
to pay with cashiers check.I am not an American so you
guys know the most preferable option.
My client will be sending the check of $5,000 so i
expect that the excess funds on it be sent back as
this will be used for shipping arrangement.As soon as
i get your full name and address including your
contact number to which the check will be issued and
sent then i will immediately instruct my client
to send you the check.
I look forward to trustworthy transaction with you,
expecting your mail the soonest. and also tell me if i
can count on you to send back the balance or not.

Thank you once again.

My parent's then reply questioning the transaction. After reading that, "Jane sends the following email:

From: Jane Smth
To: The Montagues
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 2:48 AM
Subject: PAYMENT

JUST A QUICK NOTE THAT YOU WILL BE RECIEVING THE CASHIER CHECK FOR
THE PAYMENT TODAY.I WANT U TO CASH THE CHECK TODAY AND WIRE THE
REMAINING BALANCE VIA WESTERN UNION TO MY SHIPPING AGENT TODAY SO
THAT THEY CAN ARRANGE FOR THE PICK UP WITH THEIR US OFFICE AND THEIR
ACCOUNTING MANAGER DETAILS IS AS STATED BELOW:

FRED WILLIAMS
23 HOPTILLE AMSTERDAM
NETHERLANDS

WESTERN UNION WILL ATTRACT CHARGES FOR SENDING ,YOU CAN HAVE IT
DEDUCTED FROM MY BALANCE & SEND THE REST. IT'LL BE CHEAPER IF YOU
'VE THE WESTERN UNION DONE IN A STORE,BELOW IS A STORE THAT DOES
IT VERY CLOSE TO YOUR END,I WAS GIVEN WHEN I VISITED WESTERN UNION
OUTLET THIS MORNING.

SALIDA HOME MARKET
4601 BROADWAY
SALIDA, CA 95368
Tel: (209) 545-0333

ONCE THE FUNDS IS SENT THESE ARE THE FOLLOWING DETAILS YOU 'LL
HAVE TO MAIL TO ME INORDER TO HAVE MY SHIPPING AGENT PICK-UP THE
FUNDS:

MTCN #[CONTROL NUMBER]
SENDER'S FULL NAME & ADDRESS
TEST QUESTION & ANSWER.

MY REGARDS


OK, now during this whole thing, my paren'ts got an email from another guy regarding the shocks. Here's his email:

From: "James Kennedy"
To: email removed
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: PURCHASE REQUEST.

Good day,

This is a purchase request for your advertised QA1 Steel rebuilable/revalveable shocks with kit .:Four shocks for
sale, two 9" and two 7". All are fully rebuildable and revalveable. Also
includes full rebuild kit.

However, prior to further transaction, let me use this
opportunity to introduxce myself to you, i am James Kennedy, i am located in Beaufort South Carolina 29907, and in regards to my purchase request, i
would like you to please furnish me with the following;

-the pics for a closer view...?
-your last and final asking price excluding shipping
charges....?
-the area of location for pickup and shipment....?
-if US Certified Cashier Check is acceptable as means of
payment....?

Looking forward to doing successful business transaction with
you.

Regards.
James.

Now this one threw all off kinds of red flags. First off, who from the US starts an email "Good Day"? Then, you says "however, prior to further transcation, let me use this opportunity to introduce myself to you." This dude is from South Carolina? Umm hello foreign money scammer!!!!!!!! Then, who in the US pays for something with a certified cashier's check? Anyway, my dad, suspect but seeing where this leads, responds that he'll get me to take pictures, but that someone from Seattle is serious about buying them too, he's just waiting for a call back.

From: "James Kennedy"
> >To: email removed
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: PAYMENT.

Good day,

Thanks for the immediate response and attention shown to my
purchase request, thanks also for the informations forwarded, however, i
would like you to please reserve the purchasing right to me as i will hereby
make payment and pickup arrangement ASAP. And in regards to the payment, i have a US Client who is indebted to me some US Funds and has pledged and promised to make it payable soonest
via US Certified Cashier Check, and in order to make your payment faster
and easier, i will instruct him to make the payment to you upon my
request, ok?

Furthermore, immediately this payment is delivered and received,
please endeavour to keep me inform so that my extra remaining funds
after the deduction of your asking price so that it can be transfered to my ATTORNEY AGENT upon my request.

Therefore, if this is a deal that you can handle successfully,
please endeavour to send forward the following neccessary informations
needed to make payment to you, i.e;

-the name you want on the US Certified Cashier Check
-where you want the US Certified Cashier Check be delivered to
-your contact home, office and mobile phone number

Looking forward to doing good business transaction with you.

Regards.
James.

Holy crap, now if that isn't a scam alert. First of all, where did this "US client" and "US funds stuff come from? I thought dude claimed he was from South Carolina? Also, again, who the hell in the US talks like this? And, this dude wants to make the same type of transcation as ole Jane does?

So my dad replies, suspect, but trying to see what happens next. "James" then sends another email:

From: "James Kennedy"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: PLEASE MAKE ENQUIRY IN REGARDS TO THE COST OF TRANSFERING MY
EXTRA
FUNDS.


Good day Ted,

Thanks for the informations forwarded, however, i will to this effect forward the informations to my US Client so that the funds owed me
can be remitted to you upon my request ASAP.

However, a payment of $4,000 US Certified Funds will be delivered to
you by my US Client been the total sum of US Funds owed me, therefore,
please endeavour to keep me posted immediately payment is delivered and
received so that i can be able to give you the shipping address and in regards to my remaining extra funds from the payment, i will give you my ATTORNEY'S INFORMATIONS as to who and where to transfer my remaining extra funds to.

Furthermore, i would like you to go to the nearest WESTERN UNION
OUTLET in your area of location and make enquiry for how much it will cost to
transfer my remaining extra funds to my ATTORNEY.

Looking forward to a successful business transaction.

Regards.
James.

LOL, now this one was the kicker. Sounds exactly like old Jane's email. I guess the old Nigerian Money scam has run dry, so this is the new racket they are trying to run. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the scam is, but it obviously is one. I've told my parent's to stop doing anything with these people.

So what do you guys think? Should I contact anyone about this? I realize nothing can be probably be done, but I'd hate to just leave it. I will contact the website that runs the classfieds, to let them know the stuff that is going on. Maybe they can improve their ad system.
 

trmiv

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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yea no kidding. this all took place without me involved. my parent's sent me these emails today.
 

CPA

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The scam is that you wire back the money and then the cashier's check comes up as fraudulent. You are out the money, and the thieves have the remainder in cash. And if you shipped your products, you will be out those too.
 

minendo

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Aug 31, 2001
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the scam is, but it obviously is one.
Basically, they send you $5000 (or whatever was determined) and you cash it. It appears as it clears and you send the parts + overage. Check bounces and you are out parts, overage, and fees.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
Mar 10, 2004
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Classic scam.

You are supposed to believe that a cashier's check is automatically good.

It isn't.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
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I wouldn't touch this either. Its got red flags all over it. I'm not sure what the scam is, but I suspect some kind of forged cashiers check that will leave you with a negative balance of the difference in price and him with real cash that has been wired via Western Union.

Regardless, it just smells WAY to fishy to even consider touching.
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Here's what would happen:

You'd get the cashiers check. It would bounce in a week or 2.

They would have the goods. You would be out the money.
 

Mr N8

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This has been going around Autotrader for a long time. Its a scam, and he needs to tell those guys to take a hike.
 

MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ranger X
As long as we have people like this, scams work always work.

what?

his parents were suspicious and DID NOT get scammed. they never did anything.

MIKE
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ranger X
As long as we have people like this, scams work always work.


They didnt fall for it, so what people are you talking about?
 

Confused

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Anyone that mentions ANYTHING regarding Western Union should be shot, and it is pretty obvious it's a scam.


Confused
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: Eli
Here's what would happen:

You'd get the cashiers check. It would bounce in a week or 2.

They would have the goods. You would be out the money.
Ok, did we really need 78 people responding with the same answer? :p
 

PingSpike

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Eli
Here's what would happen:

You'd get the cashiers check. It would bounce in a week or 2.

They would have the goods. You would be out the money.
Ok, did we really need 78 people responding with the same answer? :p

The OPis like 3 pages long, there were no replies when I opened it. I only realized my post was redundant after the fact.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Money laundering...how fun

Just send a note to ebay or wherever it is listed. Forward the emails to the appropiate authorities. Relist it. If you really want to be a pain, tell the scammer you have to wait 6 weeks on Cashier checks due to the latest fraud being perpetrated by some retards.
 

jyates

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hehe love it......had a guy do the same thing to me on a laptop
and I had "the person who owed him money" send me a Cashier's Check
for $4500 on a $400 laptop. I "told him" I carried it up to the local bank
and deposited it into my savings account and told the "buyer"
I would WU his balance to him less fees as soon as my bank lets me know
the Cashier's Check clears and I never heard back from him :)
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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you should have them send you teh checks then give it to police
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
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It's a well known documented scam. If I was your parent(s) I'd either tag them along for my own pleasure or just call the authorities, or tell them to buggar off.
 

Hammer

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's a well known documented scam. If I was your parent(s) I'd either tag them along for my own pleasure or just call the authorities, or tell them to buggar off.

just down give them your address or phone number at any point. i've read stories about people being harassed continously by the scammer afterwards.