My own cooler comparison...PEP66, 6035, CAK, WBK, CORE, Thermoengine

JmsAndrsn

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Over the weekend, I tested out some of the best heatsinks available now. This may not include all of the best but I picked out what I considered were some of the best contenders at reasonalbe prices(except for "The Core"...too expensive). This comparison is far from ideal but I just wanted to do some quick testing to find out which one cools the best under full load. I probably should have recorded idle temps as well but I was too far into the testing when I realized this. I realize there are factors such as ambient temperature, what is best way to measure temp, how accurate are motherboard readings, etc that I may not have taken into account but the results here were obtained under pretty consistent conditions.

The CPU is a is PIII 1GHZ @ 1.2GHZ with 2V. I realize the voltage is on the high side but I'll take my chances. Motherboard is an ASUS CUSL2 in an Inwin Full Tower Case with 2 Delta 92mm fans blowing in, one 2CoolPC blowing air up into the case, and a Delta 92mm and Top Motor 80mm fan on the back for exhaust. Video card is CL Geforce 2 GTS and memory is Mushkin Rev3 running at 2-2-2-5/7. Temperatures were taken using the Asus Probe v2.12.07. As I said earlier, this may not be the ideal way to measure temperature but it is the simplest way.

I realize a lot of people have switched over to Athlons so I can only guess that you would get similar results using overclocked Athlons. The one advantage that the Athlon has over the PIII is the larger core. Although PIII's give off less heat at a given speed vs an Athlon, the smaller core of the PIII can make it a little bit hard to keep cool at higher speeds. This probably explains why Intel is switching to an integrated heat spreader (IHS) on some of the newer cD0 PIII 1GHZ flip chips. I have not yet seen any PIII's with the IHS but I would imagine they'll start showing up in the next month or so. Also, the IHS should also make it easier to mount heatsinks since the cooler has a larger area to rest on.

The motherboard temperature stayed at 71F throughout much of the testing but sometimes the Delta 38 seems to have heated the temperature up to 73F with all of the air it was blowing(blowing hot air off the heatsink that is). Prime95 was used to stress the CPU. It usually took anywhere from 10-15 minutes for temperature to stabilzie. I would wait for Asus Probe to have a flat line(no changes) all the way across the graph. A thin and fresh layer of Ultra Silver compound(from ColdCPU.com) was applied to the CPU core right before each heatsink was mounted. Also, the heatsink and CPU core were cleaned with rubbing alchol before each mounting.

Here are the results in no particular order:

Cooler----------------------------------------Max Temp(°F)---MB Temp(°F)

CAK 38 with Delta---------------------------------107-----------73
CAK 38 with YS-Tech-----------------------------111-----------73
ThermoEngine w/Delta----------------------------102-----------71
ThermoEngine w/YS Tech------------------------107-----------71
WBK38 w/Sanyo Denki(80mm/36cfm/29dB)-113-----------71
WBK38 with YS-Tech----------------------------109-----------71
WBK38 with Delta---------------------------------105-----------73
The Core with Delta-------------------------------109-----------71
The Core with YS-Tech--------------------------113-----------71
Alpha 6035 with Delta/sucking------------------100-----------71
Alpha 6035 with Delta/blowing------------------104-----------71
Alpha 6035 with YS-Tech/sucking--------------105-----------71
Alpha 6035 with YS-Tech/blowing--------------104-----------71
Alpha PEP66T with YS-Tech/sucking----------102-----------71
Alpha PEP66T with YS-Tech/blowin-----------102-----------71
Alpha PEP66T with Delta/sucking---------------96-----------71
Alpha PEP66T with Delta/blowing---------------98-----------71

Delta = 60x25mm, 38cfm/46dB
YS Tech = 60x25mm, 26cfm/34dB

PEP66 was modified to mount the fan on top. Also, a thin piece of cardboard was taped over the open side of the shroud to create a better seal.
 

$pade

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wow the alphas rule on the p3 platform and since the p3 had an intenal diode your result are more reliable than the socket a readings.
 

Mikewarrior2

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JmsAndersn,

Good job! Btw, where did you get your thermoengines? Did you get them from Azzo.com?

If so, does it have the cap?(that reveals the hollow core)?


Mike
 

jeffrey

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too bad that the older hsf's are the ones on top. hotter chips need more efficient coolers! very strong results for the old alphas.
 

JmsAndrsn

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Thanks Mike,

I did get the Thermoengine from Azzo. There was not a cap over the center. It still performed quite well for being so small. The bottom was not as smooth as it could have been after I removed the thermal pad but it did seem pretty flat(I believe some of the reviews complained of it not being that flat).
 

Galileo

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For once, it's nice to be at the bottom of the list;), being a pep66t user here.

Nice job!
 

russr

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Do you think if this test were performed on an Athlon 1.33ghz, the ranking would be the same? I seriously thought the wbk38 was better than the alphas.
 

pbrain

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very informative, thanks! only thing i'd like to see some tests using fan adapters. i'm really curious to see if a 80/92mm fan with a higher cfm rating and somewhat equal db rating will outperform a 60mm fan.
 

JmsAndrsn

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Russr,
Like I said above, I can only assume that they would. Take that with a grain of salt though. Only problem is that some of the more recent reviews(such as Hardcocp.com) did not test the PEP66T and 6035.

Pbrain,
I've got an 80mm and 92mm adapter coming in sometime this week that I ordered from cpufx.com(at least I think that's where I ordered from). I'm probably not going to mount all of the heatsinks back up but I will certainly try it on the PEP66. I'll post an update once I try them out.
 

Mikewarrior2

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hey JmsAndrsn,

I think you may have gotten a hollow-core thermoengine. Early Thermoengines(Azzo got the first shipment) were hollow-core. There is a way to verify this without cutting the hetasink open or drilling into it.

If you have access to an accurate gram scale, the hollow-core + stock fan/clip assembly should end up weighing in the 225ish Gram range. The non-hollow core variant weighs in usually 25Grams heavier.

I would highly appreciate if you could check that for me. :) Thanks in advance,

Mike
 

Nevin

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Or just remove the fan and clip and look at the top of the heatsink. The hollow core units have some writing and a black circle that is over the seam of the 'cap'. Solid core units are plain metal without any writing or the black circle.

Nevin
 

iSpark

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Hello,

I have the ThermoEngine cooler with the solid metal core, is that good or bad?

I bought mine from CoolerStar.com for $29.00

Although I'm currently not using it, I'm trying to find a good HSF unit.

I have tried these units with not much difference in temps, using AS2 and stock fans.
Temps average around 46C - 50C/idle and 49C - 54C/load.

ThermoEngine P/N V60-4210
Vantec FCE-62540D
Cooler Master DP5-6H11
Retail HSF unit for Athlon 1.2MHz, which is the exact same thing as the DP5-6H11
Taisol CGK742092 currently in use and fixing to come off!! it idles at 50C!

The best unit I have used so far is the Vantec heatsink and the stock fan that came with the Athlon retail package, which is a combo I put together, it was 46C/idle and 50C/load.

But back to the ThermoEngine core, is solid better than hollow?
 

nippyjun

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This is a nice review, but without listing the ambient temp at the time of testing each hsf makes the comparison difficult.
 

conlan

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Real nice test Jms , and thanx for sharing the results. I was shocked to see the Alphas score better with the fan sucking rather than blowing , or did you mean the other way around??
 

Dundain

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Nice tests :) Seem to have been done fairly accurately, and if you get Mikewarriors approval tahts pretty good! :) And Conlan, the Alpha heatsinks were designed to use the fan sucking off of the heatsink (aka blowing out) instead of what other manufactors are doing (having the fan blowing on the heatsink)
 

EvilDonnyboy

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Can anyone try out a Alpha PEP66T with dual YS Tech 27cfm fans? I've read that dual Delta 60x10mm 20cfm fans on a PEP66T performs better than a single Delta 60 fan, yet is quieter.

Well I got a VOS32 hsf here with dual-YS tech 27cfm fans, and it's not very loud at all. So I wonder how much of an increase would an extra YS tech fan would give. The top-most fan would be exausting, and the bottom-most fan would be blowing.
 

conlan

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>>>>And Conlan, the Alpha heatsinks were designed to use the fan sucking off of the heatsink (aka blowing out) instead of what other manufactors are doing (having the fan blowing on the heatsink)<<<<<< , Yup , thats why i wanted to be sure what he meant , thanx!

:)
 

JmsAndrsn

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Blowing would be moving air INTO the heatsink.
Sucking would be moving air OUT of(away from) the heatsink.
 

conlan

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Thanx for the clarification Jms , now those Alpha numbers make more sense :D