My next C2D system, hopefully!!!

[Duvie]

Here is the specs for my next system. Already have case, 600watt OCZ powerstream PSU, DVD-+RW, HDDs, etc

Core 2 Duo E6400
Asus P5B-E rev 1.02g OEM
1gb (2x512mb) Patriot 1066ddr2 cas 5
Tuniq Tower

Should be able to get it for under 580 shipped

 

[MichaelD]

That should OC really well, with a nice, high FSB. Are you going for max overclock, component life be darned or stable OC that you can use on a daily basis?

That 1006 ram is really expensive though, no?

 

[Zim]

I'm not sure if you want to run Vista, but I'd be sure I could upgrade easily to 2GB of ram.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
That should OC really well, with a nice, high FSB. Are you going for max overclock, component life be darned or stable OC that you can use on a daily basis?

That 1006 ram is really expensive though, no?

It is 179 shipped from newegg...No more then what I have paid for my gskills....

Based on result and now 3 systems I may swap parts aroudn and get my most optimal setup out of all 3...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zim
I'm not sure if you want to run Vista, but I'd be sure I could upgrade easily to 2GB of ram.

Not upgrading to Visat for probably more then 1 year...XP is just too damn stable for me now

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zim
I'm not sure if you want to run Vista, but I'd be sure I could upgrade easily to 2GB of ram.

Not upgrading to Visat for probably more then 1 year...XP is just too damn stable for me now

Wow...I guess it's that price b/c its 1GB of ram, not 2GB..I missed that in your OP.

I agree on Vista. Vista honestly holds NO interest for me at all ATM. Not even .01%. XPSP2 is stable as a rock...seems Microsoft needs at least 4 years to get an OS stable. :roll: But once they get it there, you're wise to stick with it!

Side note: Last year I was bent on a true duallie Opteron rig. Then C2D came out. For half the price, I get probably 90% of the workstation performance of a true duallie box. I don't need PCI-X in my home rig, so ...there you go!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zim
I'm not sure if you want to run Vista, but I'd be sure I could upgrade easily to 2GB of ram.

Not upgrading to Visat for probably more then 1 year...XP is just too damn stable for me now

Wow...I guess it's that price b/c its 1GB of ram, not 2GB..I missed that in your OP.

I agree on Vista. Vista honestly holds NO interest for me at all ATM. Not even .01%. XPSP2 is stable as a rock...seems Microsoft needs at least 4 years to get an OS stable. :roll: But once they get it there, you're wise to stick with it!

Side note: Last year I was bent on a true duallie Opteron rig. Then C2D came out. For half the price, I get probably 90% of the workstation performance of a true duallie box. I don't need PCI-X in my home rig, so ...there you go!

You see it like me...I hav ebeen selling off my dual dual core opteron boxes for replacement by nicely oc'd C2D systems....

I sold (2) 265's at 2.5ghz and my E6300 @3.4ghz looks to be equaling or bettering its output for Folding at Home...not to mention in apps I run it flat out kills the opteron box. that is partly becuase no tmany apps cam take advanatge of 4 cores as effectively as they do 2 cores. So it was like comparing just one dual core 265 at 2.5ghz to a dual core monster like the E6300 at 3.4ghz with nearly 1000ddr2 at cas 4.....


I should be able to buy the last one and pay for m X1900xtx 512mb card I picked up used for 250 bucks (killer deal) from the sell of my 270's box....


Ultimately they will all be ready to drop a kentsfield in them once the price gets much better....I wont sart touching the Q6600's until they get in the 400 range. Right now they run 2.5x plus the cost of (1) E6600...Knowing th efact most apps cannot take advantage of the adde core I wont be wasting my money again

 

[MichaelD]

It's good that you're using your past purchases to continue to fund your habit! I'm in the same boat. I've got an Athlon XP/X800GTO AGP rig I'll probably be EBaying soon to recoup the money I spent on my new box.

Isn't it amazing how far the performance has come? Just like you said, not many apps can take advantage of four actually cores, so comparing the C2D box to the dual Opty box was essentially doing a 1-to-1 CPU comparo...and in the price vs. performance equation, Opty loses.

AFA Kentsfield/C4D (did I just make up my own CPU ID? :Q) goes, it goes right back to the dual Opty box. Why get four cores (at $$$$$ to the wallet) if no apps can use them?

I mean, sure; for bragging rights, if you've got the depth of wallet to support it, great. But for a working Joe like me, I'll stick w/my overclocked C2D box for awhile.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
It's good that you're using your past purchases to continue to fund your habit! I'm in the same boat. I've got an Athlon XP/X800GTO AGP rig I'll probably be EBaying soon to recoup the money I spent on my new box.

Isn't it amazing how far the performance has come? Just like you said, not many apps can take advantage of four actually cores, so comparing the C2D box to the dual Opty box was essentially doing a 1-to-1 CPU comparo...and in the price vs. performance equation, Opty loses.

AFA Kentsfield/C4D (did I just make up my own CPU ID? :Q) goes, it goes right back to the dual Opty box. Why get four cores (at $$$$$ to the wallet) if no apps can use them?

I mean, sure; for bragging rights, if you've got the depth of wallet to support it, great. But for a working Joe like me, I'll stick w/my overclocked C2D box for awhile.

Except fr the fact the kentsfield is a desktop chip and with the opteron you are still looking at a much more expensive motherboard to run dual opterons....I could spend as much as one of my setups and a Q6600 as say (2) 280-285 opterons on a moderate board that could OC and it would still lose handedly.

Qaud core for intel would noly be economic if it was about 1.5 to 1.6x the cost of the E6600......Then as a Folding box it would be untouchable

It was seen as perhaps 6 months down the road with price drops I can start upgrading a cpu here or there on the box without revamping the whole system...

 

[cmdrdredd]

1GB of memory is pretty weak...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
1GB of memory is pretty weak...

how so????

I dont use 1gb of my 2gb now on my other system.......I dont game so get that out of your mind. I dont do photoshoping and my CAD apps when I run them dont take me over 1gb...I never pagefile...

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
1GB of memory is pretty weak...

how so????

I dont use 1gb of my 2gb now on my other system.......I dont game so get that out of your mind. I dont do photoshoping and my CAD apps when I run them dont take me over 1gb...I never pagefile...

I feel bad if you ever plan on running Vista on 1GB

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
1GB of memory is pretty weak...

how so????

I dont use 1gb of my 2gb now on my other system.......I dont game so get that out of your mind. I dont do photoshoping and my CAD apps when I run them dont take me over 1gb...I never pagefile...

I feel bad if you ever plan on running Vista on 1GB

He already commented on that.

BTW, Vista runs quite fine with 1 GB.
I have the older RC1 on my notebook with a Pentium M 1.86 GHz + 1 GB DDR333 + 4200 RPM HDD, & it runs quite nicely.

Unless you're a heavy gamer/video encoder/Photoshop user, 1 GB is still fine.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
1GB of memory is pretty weak...

how so????

I dont use 1gb of my 2gb now on my other system.......I dont game so get that out of your mind. I dont do photoshoping and my CAD apps when I run them dont take me over 1gb...I never pagefile...

I feel bad if you ever plan on running Vista on 1GB

If you actually read above comments you will see I dont plan on that happening anytime soon.....So not an issue...Plus I have 3 boxes and my E6600 has 2gb, but no DX10 card anyways...

 

[n7]

Duvie, is the revision of the P5B-E you're getting the one with higher vdimm options?
I thought the original revision had only 2.1V for the RAM.

What's that Patriot vdimm rating?

What i do wonder though is why not just get a single 1 GB dimm...then if you do ever decide you'd like 2 GB, assuming you can find the matching one still, you have an easier upgrade.

BTW, if you did go the 1 GB single dimm option, i'll copy n paste my list of 2x1 GB pairs using D9 chips, & you could just look for the single dimms.

Crucial 10th Anniversary DDR2-667 3-3-3 - $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820148017
Buffalo Firestix DDR2-800 4-4-4 - $245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820150054
Team Xtreem DDR2-667 3-3-3 - $275
http://www.tankguys.biz/ddr2-3338-p-167...sCsid=f4298906ac5457e7b0b44172b58de39d
Team Xtreem DDR2-800 4-4-4 - $287.38
http://www.tankguys.biz/ddr2-44410-800m...sCsid=f4298906ac5457e7b0b44172b58de39d
Super Talent DDR2-800 4-4-3 - $292
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820609026
G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4 $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065
Corsair Dominator DDR2-800 4-4-4 - $315
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145168

I'd expect at least DDR2-1000 out of all those above, likely higher.

 

[Duvie]

Yes the 1.02 version goes up to 2.45v I believe and the patriot ram says 2.1-2.2v...Anandtech used 2.3v to get it to run cas 4 at the 1066 speed.....2.1v may cut it at 800-900 but it is risky with that low...You never know if the board undervolts the vdimms slightly and then I may be screwed...

I could go SC memory since i showed it had not much more then 2-3% difference in test ran...

 

[n7]

Also, since the P5B-E is extremely similar to my P5B-D, i suspect you're going to find that you can run either 8x or 7x multis.

If you use the 7x, you'll pretty much have to use the 1:1 ratio, unless your RAM OCs sky high.
With 8x, you can then run 4:5, & performance will be better in games i find, but lower in synthetics like SuperPI, unless you can somewhat keep timings same 4:5 as they are 1:1

My system can do either
8x425 4:5 DDR2-1063 5-5-5-5
or
7x486 1:1 DDR2-972 4-4-4-4

 

[n7]

Yeah, i find single channel is a marginal difference, but you'll often get better OCs then IMHO.