My new PC

KoolDrew

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I am building a new PC. Here are the specs:

AMD Sempron 64 2800+
Biostar GeForce TForce6100-754
Crucial Ballistix 1GB(2x512MB)
SILVERSTONE RL-FN91 92mm Fan
Hitachi 7K80 80GB
Cooler Master Centurion 5
Fortron AX450-PN
Logitech X-230
Logitech Internet Pro Desktop

What do you guys think?
 

Mik3y

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What's your budget? Now we know what you need, we may be able to compile up a better list for you. Also, do you overclock?
 

Lasthitlarry

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First off, I have no idea what you are using this pc for...

but if it were mine (media/light gamer) I would get a better mobo and cpu, I just don't trust Biostar anymore
something like an MSI Nforce4 board, AMD 64 3200+

Also I would go with a 1GB stick, you might want 2GB later on.

And a 250GB HD, but that's just me because I store a lot of music/movies, and the price is comparable to the 80GB, sort of, and I prefer WD or Seagate.

Everything else looks fine, except what is that fan for? CPU? I would just go with retail cpu fan.

Good choice on case and PSU tho, and RAM brand.

Make sure and check with the Hot Deals section, For Sale/Trade section, and slickdeals.net, www.gottadeal.com
 

KoolDrew

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Since I am on such a tight budget I am trying to build an affodable overclocking rig. I would like to go socket 939, but it is not an option. Also, the Biostar motherboard is great. After all of the good things I have heard about it, it is highly unlikely that I will switch it. Also, the MSI you recommended does not have onboard video which would even bring it farther out of my budget.

I highly doubt I will upgrade to 2GB anytime soon and a 1GB stick that overclocks as well as the Ballistix would cost a lot more. As for HDD, I am just going to buy an 80GB now and then buy a much larger one later for storage. I'll keep my eye peeled for good deals and then grab it when this time comes.

The fan is to cool my RAM. The Ballistix gets pretty hot so I will place the fan overtop of it.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Wow...where to start?

First of all, the Crucial Ballistix are overkill, and 2x512MB runs the risk of PC2700 performance. Just get a single 1GB DIMM for $76 from ms4me.com. Second, save $10 and get the GeForce 6100-M7 (not the TForce). Third, I'd ditch the additional fan. Fourth, the 450W FSP is overkill. At the very least, stick with the 400W unit for $44. Finally, I'd stay away from Hitachi. They seem to have a pretty bad reputation.

Not to rain on your parade, but you really could do a lot better with the money you apparently have.
 

Lasthitlarry

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So you plan to overclock, and you want onboard video...

once again, what are you going to use this pc for, and what is your budget?
 

KoolDrew

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First of all, the Crucial Ballistix are overkill, and 2x512MB runs the risk of PC2700 performance. Just get a single 1GB DIMM for $76 from ms4me.com. Second, save $10 and get the GeForce 6100-M7 (not the TForce). Third, I'd ditch the additional fan. Fourth, the 450W FSP is overkill. At the very least, stick with the 400W unit for $44. Finally, I'd stay away from Hitachi. They seem to have a pretty bad reputation.

Wow...where to start?

The Crucial Ballistix is a little over $100 and can overclock VERY well. For such a small increase in price, yet a huge increase in overcloackability over value RAM it makes sense to buy it. Also, WTF do you mean 2x512MB runs the risk of PC2700 performance?

The TForce is a better overclocker and for $10 extra it would not be a wise choice to buy the M7. The additional fan is to cool my RAm which is needed. Also, your PSU advice is terrible. It is a $5 difference and you are recommending the lower wattage one?

Also, the Hitachi offers the best price/performance ratio.
 

KoolDrew

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once again, what are you going to use this pc for, and what is your budget?

My budget is around $500 and I am doing a little bit of gaming (mostly old games), basic tasks, some light video encoding/editing, audio encoding, light 3D modeling, etc.
 

Mik3y

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Wow...where to start?

First of all, the Crucial Ballistix are overkill, and 2x512MB runs the risk of PC2700 performance. Just get a single 1GB DIMM for $76 from ms4me.com. Second, save $10 and get the GeForce 6100-M7 (not the TForce). Third, I'd ditch the additional fan. Fourth, the 450W FSP is overkill. At the very least, stick with the 400W unit for $44. Finally, I'd stay away from Hitachi. They seem to have a pretty bad reputation.

Not to rain on your parade, but you really could do a lot better with the money you apparently have.

risk of pc2700 performance? hardly the case. that's more the issue with 4x512mb.
 

SparkyJJO

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew

Also, the Hitachi offers the best price/performance ratio.

speaking from personal experience, yes hitachi has good price/performance, but length of life/reliability is questionable IMO - I've seen them dump data b4 and die too much to trust them. They aren't nicknamed "deathstars" for nothing.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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A lot of socket-754 motherboards are limited to three DIMM "sides"--that is, they can handle two or three DIMMs as long as they are single-sided. Two or more double-sided DIMMs means four or more sides, and some socket-754 boards can only handle all four by dropping to PC2700. I don't know if the TForce 6100 has this issue, but I'd check it out, first. Even if you can run 2x512MB at PC3200, though, it's still a better idea to get 1x1GB.

The difference between the GeForce 6100-M7 and the TForce 6100-754 is not entirely known, but they seem to have the same northbridge and the same overclocking features.

As for memory, the cheapest Crucial Ballistix 1GB kit (2x512MB) runs $120. That's *way* too much, considering you can get 1GB (1x1GB) for $76. Save the $44. RAM does not affect CPU overclocking. If you want to overclock the RAM, it won't get you much of a real-world performance boost. It's just a bad idea on a budget build.

As for PSUs, wattage means little. The Fortron AX450-PN is $57 shipped. On a budget build, you could do better. At the very least, go for the 400W model. It's got the same +12v rail amperages, the same efficiency and the same over-voltage protection--and it's $13 cheaper. You could also go for a 350W or 300W, which would save you even more.

You don't need a cooling fan for your RAM unless you plan to overclock it, which on a budget build is a bad idea.

Hitachi has questionable reliability. If you want to risk losing all your data for no apparent reason one day, go for it! Anyway, Western Digital offers the best price/performance ratio among major brands, not Hitachi.

If you go with these suggestions--generic RAM, a lower-wattage PSU, no extra fans and a GeForce 6100-M7--you can squeeze another gig of RAM into the equation.
 

KoolDrew

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hurtstotalktoyou, I see where you're coming from and I appreciate your recommendations. However, my mom is actually paying for some of this PC. If she is unwilling to pay what she currently has to pay then I will take your recommendations into consideration.
 

KoolDrew

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I took your recommendations and came up with this:

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ - $75.00 (ZZF)
Biostar GeForce TForce6100-754 - $73.24 (Newegg)
Corsair VS1GB400C3 - $81.49 (ZZF)
Western Digital WD Caviar 80GB - $55.80 (ZZF)
Antec Super Lanboy - $80.89 (eWiz)
Fortron AX400-PN - $46.98 (Newegg)
Logitech X-230 - $34.99 (ZZF)
Logitech Internet Pro Desktop - $19.99 (ZZF)

Total - $448.39

The TForce Biostar, from what I hear overclocks better. It is also only slightly more expensive so I'll go with it. I dropped down to Corsair VS because after adding everything up the Crucial Ballistix was talking up way too much. I changed the drive to a Western Digital. I did go with a more expensive case, but I have been reading reviews about the Lanboy a lot today and I really like it. So I don't mind spending a little extra. I also dropped down to the 400w Fortron.