My, My, My, the Party of Character Has ...

[Moonbeam]

a President that lost the election for President and a racist as Senate Majority leader, but never mind that. How would you feel and what do you think should happen if Teddy Kennedy said this country would be better off today if Castro had been elected President forty years ago. How do you think the Republican Senators, Hate radio and their ilk would react.

PS, For a long time I thought Lott was a member of the Wig party.

 

[her209]

Ya, we are skrewed.

 

[tcsenter]

a President that lost the election for President and a racist as Senate Majority leader, but never mind that. How would you feel and what do you think should happen if Teddy Kennedy said this country would be better off today if Castro had been elected President forty years ago. How do you think the Republican Senators, Hate radio and their ilk would react.

They would probably go off the deep-end, mischaracterize Kennedy's statements to make them seem worse than they really are, try to paint an entire party with the same broad stroke, just like Democrats are doing. That's politics...

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
a President that lost the election for President and a racist as Senate Majority leader, but never mind that. How would you feel and what do you think should happen if Teddy Kennedy said this country would be better off today if Castro had been elected President forty years ago. How do you think the Republican Senators, Hate radio and their ilk would react.

PS, For a long time I thought Lott was a member of the Wig party.

So...how would I feel if a hypothetical situation created a hypothetical situation?


It would certainly be interesting. Man, I'd be smoking Cubans all the time. Plus, it would be interesting to see all the ways the CIA would try to assasinate Kennedy (assuming the reverse was true). An exploding Marilyn, maybe? Then again, it might be like that episode of Sliders, where the Soviets had taken over. And the Cuban Missile Crisis would become the Cuban What's Jackie Wearing Crisis. Oh, and don't forget the Bay of Pigs invasion where Kennedy tries to invade the US with Cuban baseball players...

Man, I love being done with finals.

 

[Moonbeam]

tcsenter, what do you mean my mischaracterize. I think you must have been suckered by the spin. All you need are Lotts words and a bit of history. Are you saying it was a slip of the tongue?

 

[LH]

The democrats have a number of former KKK members too.

So what. Thurmond was one of the first Senators to have black staff members. Lotts comments arent really in regards to race, its about Thurmonds other ideas at the time, little thing supported by the constitution, yes thats right states rights.

Thurmond formed the Dixiecrat party, he didnt run under a segregationist party. It was part of his platform, but its more akin to the civil war.

The issues werent a matter of was racism wrong or slavery was wrong it was, what the federal government was doing right. After all the US was formed on a foundation of states rights. That foundation erroded long ago.

The US IMHO would be a better place if states rights werent taken away like they have been since the Civil War.

Just like the Civil War, the segregationists, the primary belief had nothing to do with race and everything to do with states rights and the US Constitution.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: LH
The democrats have a number of former KKK members too.

So what. Thurmond was one of the first Senators to have black staff members. Lotts comments arent really in regards to race, its about Thurmonds other ideas at the time, little thing supported by the constitution, yes thats right states rights.

Thurmond formed the Dixiecrat party, he didnt run under a segregationist party. It was part of his platform, but its more akin to the civil war.

The issues werent a matter of was racism wrong or slavery was wrong it was, what the federal government was doing right. After all the US was formed on a foundation of states rights. That foundation erroded long ago.

The US IMHO would be a better place if states rights werent taken away like they have been since the Civil War.

Just like the Civil War, the segregationists, the primary belief had nothing to do with race and everything to do with states rights and the US Constitution.

You can follow the 10th Ammendment and still find that seperate but equal treatment is unconstitutional. I would disagree with your assertion that the segregationists were fighting for states rights akin to the Civil War. What they were fighting was the idea that we should be equal under the law. Making laws that treated people differently by the nature of their skin color was clearly not equal treatment under the law. Jim Crow laws in my opinion violated both the 14th and 15th ammendments to the constitution. The funny thing is that once we in the south were forced to face this issue head on race relations here became better than in other sections of the country where covert racism was fully intact.

 

[Moonbeam]

Segregation was part of the platform.....Oh OK I guess Kennedy could say that nationalizing American industry is just part of the platform.

 

[datalink7]

Why is it when I saw the thread title "My, My, My" all I could think of is the weird al song:

My, My, My TV Makes me so bored,
makes me say "oh my lord."
What is this garbage here,
gonna cover my eyes and plug my ears.

It sucks, and that's no lie
about as fun as watching paint dry.
Gonna lower my IQ one knotch
and that's the reason why I can't watch.


Ok, that is my random post for the night

 

[tcsenter]

tcsenter, what do you mean my mischaracterize. I think you must have been suckered by the spin. All you need are Lotts words and a bit of history. Are you saying it was a slip of the tongue?

Lott was attempting to pay tribute and give praise to Strom Thurmond. Lott NEVER uttered a word about race, about segregation, nor did he even suggest that the reason he believed the country would have been better off had Strom Thurmond been elected President is because of Thurmond's segregationist view at the time.

In fact, Lott gave similar commentary in 1980 during a campaign rally for the Reagan's presidential bid, again in voicing a word of tribute to Strom Thurmond as he was leaving the podium. Not once did Strom Thurmond or Lott mention race or segregation, and Thurmond had by 1980 long since publicly recanted and denounced his early segregationist views.

Of course, Lott's statements ALSO do not preclude the interpretation that Lott was giving praise to Thurmond's segregationist views, either. Lott's remarks are, primarily, a marvel of non-specificity, so that one may read as little or as much as one wishes to read into them.

If Lott did not wish to imply support of Thurmond's former segregationist views, then his words were ill-chosen, since he should have known that his statement as worded would be wide open to and lend itself to that interpretation. But what his statement is not is 'overtly' or explicitly racist.

When you have any statement that is open to such interpretation as to just what the speaker meant by them, the only 'correct' interpretation is what the speaker meant by them. If Lott says that he did not intend to give or imply support for Thurmond's segregationist view, then nobody is really in a position to dispute that, and Lott has essentially diffused the situation by announcing that his statement was not meant to be praise for Thurmond's former segregationist views, no matter how much race-baiting politicians like Barbara Boxer, or Jessie Jackson, or Kweisi Mfume would like to drag this out for political gain.

Of course, its fine to have your own opinion or conjecture about what Lott meant, but to confuse one's opinion for fact is neither here nor there.

 

[conjur]

It's all just politics as usual. There will always be people on each side (and other parties, too) willing to dredge up anything to discredit or taint someone they do not like. Clinton was certainly bashed quite a bit by Republicans for his sexual misgivings throughout his political career (and during campaigning for his marijuana use - inhaled or not - as well as his ability to avoid the draft). Well, while Clinton was in office the stock market enjoyed quite a run, eh? The country was prosperous, at least for a while (too prosperous, perhaps, esp. concerning dot.coms...I mean...eBay's P/E ratio at one point was over 1,000!!!!). The Democratic Party even tried to distance its candidates from Clinton during the 2000 elections. Bush is constantly being assailed as unintelligent. Well, he holds a B.A. from Yale and an M.B.A. from Harvard. I will be first to say he does not translate well to TV or quick sound bites He does come off as a bit of a doofus but he had a good record of working w/both sides in Texas and that is probably what got him most of his votes in that infamous election (wherein, btw, Democrats assailed Bush's past use of drugs in last-ditch efforts to hurt Bush's campaign for President). However, I feel that if we go to war w/Iraq despite not finding any evidence of chemical/nuclear weapon USE (not production...if so, we should go to war with several other countries which would be assinine) that Bush would be a complete and utter fool.

I'm not trying to defend either party or any particular person. Just saying that there will always be past transgressions on anyone's part and mistakes made during any person's political career.

And rhetoric like "a President that lost the election for President" is just complete tripe and serves no purpose other than to make the person making such statements appear foolish and spiteful.

But, that's just my dman opinion.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: datalink7
Why is it when I saw the thread title "My, My, My" all I could think of is the weird al song:

My, My, My TV Makes me so bored,
makes me say "oh my lord."
What is this garbage here,
gonna cover my eyes and plug my ears.

It sucks, and that's no lie
about as fun as watching paint dry.
Gonna lower my IQ one knotch
and that's the reason why I can't watch.


Ok, that is my random post for the night

Oh My, My this here Anikin guy
Maybe Vader someday later
now he's just a small fry...


Lethal

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: her209
Ya, we are skrewed.

IN TEH BUTT!

 

[etech]

How would you feel and what do you think should happen if Teddy Kennedy said this country would be better off today if Castro had been elected President forty years ago.

I'd just make the assumption that he was drunk again.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm inclined to agree with you, tcsenter, that only the speaker knows. What it boils down to, I guess, is if you think the same words slipping out 20 years apart, that the same basic feeling isn't there behind them. It is, however, not just Democrats that up in arms. Many Republican groups are too. I fear there objections to Lott rest more on their outrage that he handed the Democrats an issue than that they are outraged at the easily inferred racism. I would also have to assume that Lott isn't gonna say, Oops, I let my racism show. I wish segregation had never ended. If you've been listening to Liberal SF radio, you'd be surprised at the rabid number of calls that support that view. Of course I do also agree, as posted earlier by somebody, the South may have done better in many ways than the closeted North in race relations.

what should happen to people show support terrorism, etc. Pardon me if I also doubt your sincerity. I'd peg you as rant city should something like that actually happen.

conjur, I guess you didn't know that Gore won the Florida election. It's just that the votes were never counted till months after the election. Gore was the statewide total legal vote winner. We are living the nightmare of the huge injustice that the wrong guy is in the office. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. Massive deficits, economic collapse, unjust war, the erosion of civil liberties, the corporatizing of America, free passes for executive fraud, and the constant drumbeat of fear fear fear. Bush is a huge disaster. What a terrible mess.

 

[KC5AV]

The truth of the matter is that either party would try to put the most spin possible. Someone said it already... politics as usual.

 

[PG]

conjur, I guess you didn't know that Gore won the Florida election. It's just that the votes were never counted till months after the election.

Good lord, not this BS again.

Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed
05/15/2001 - Updated 05:18 PM ET
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals.

USA TODAY, The Miami Herald and Knight Ridder newspapers hired the national accounting firm BDO Seidman to examine undervote ballots in Florida's 67 counties. The accountants provided a report on what they found on each of the ballots.

The newspapers then applied the accounting firm's findings to four standards used in Florida and elsewhere to determine when an undervote ballot becomes a legal vote. By three of the standards, Bush holds the lead. The fourth standard gives Gore a razor-thin win.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
conjur, I guess you didn't know that Gore won the Florida election. It's just that the votes were never counted till months after the election. Gore was the statewide total legal vote winner.

Moonbeam, USAToday, NY Times and Washington Post would all disagree with you.

 

[CPA]

Oh, and Moonbeam, where were you (and the Black Caucus, for that matter) when the Democract's "conscience of the Senate" Robert Byrd served as a member of the KKK.


"Yet a letter by Byrd emerged, dated three years after he claims to have permanently ended his affiliation with the KKK, in which he writes "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd was also the Democrat Senator speaking on the floor of the Senate in filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act when Republican Minority Leader Everett Dirksen realized he had gathered enough votes to invoke cloture and pass the legislation over Democrat objections from Byrd, Albert Gore Sr., and 19 other Democrat Senators who opposed the bill. Byrd's disgusting racist kick is apparently still in him, as he used a vicious racial slur on national television less than a year ago. "


Oh, and looky there, AlGore's father was in the thick of it.

Until you show me otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

 

[BoberFett]

Imagine if Castro had said that this country would be better off if Ted Kennedy was president.

Maybe we'd actually have some laws in place today protecting men who accidentally drive into a river while a woman we were tired of just happened to be in the car.

 

[JoeBaD]

Gee, Moonjerk

If Gore won the election he'd be in the White House now.


Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...............

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
conjur, I guess you didn't know that Gore won the Florida election. It's just that the votes were never counted till months after the election. Gore was the statewide total legal vote winner. We are living the nightmare of the huge injustice that the wrong guy is in the office. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. Massive deficits, economic collapse, unjust war, the erosion of civil liberties, the corporatizing of America, free passes for executive fraud, and the constant drumbeat of fear fear fear. Bush is a huge disaster. What a terrible mess.

For fvck's sake....

 

[Moonbeam]

You sad sacks are amazing. I?ve posted links a million times to show you that the so called news media lied about what the consortium found. They only show Bush winning under certain limited scenarios. Gore won under two scenarios, one of them was who got the most legal votes in the entire state. That's the only one that matters. The Supreme Coup, by not seeking a total state-wide recount denied the rightful winner his victory. I know you're thick so I'll say it again. Gore got the most legal votes in Florida. That's how you win elections. That's the actual data discovered and obfuscated by the consortium. You are living a lie because you want to. The data can't be altered by not reporting it directly. It's very inconvenient for a lot of people to admit that Bush is a loser so they don't.

 

[conjur]

<sigh> It's OVER...it's BEEN over. Gore tried to work the system by counting a few counties and the Supreme Court called him out on it. The Supreme Court did not hand anyone a victory.

Besides, if Gore had won his HOME-Freakin' state it would be a non-issue, eh?

 

[josphII]

gore got the most legal votes in flordia?? put the crack pipe down yo.

lott is racist, the president is an idiot, and im superman, mmmkay?