My MSI GTX460 1GB Cyclone is dying...

[Idontcare]

Lol, did a clean install with these drivers, here's my reward within the first hour of using them:

Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered.

Why did I upgrade? Because ever since I upgraded from my 8600GT to this GTX460 the prior drivers gave me the same error on four other occasions (am looking at event viewer right now).

Number of driver errors on the exact same rig albeit with the 8600GT for 7months? Zero.

And this is just doing 2D desktop stuff. Clean installs on the drivers, always, and running stock clocks. (and supposedly stable per OCCT and Kombustor testing)

 

[SlowSpyder]

Lol, did a clean install with these drivers, here's my reward within the first hour of using them:



Why did I upgrade? Because ever since I upgraded from my 8600GT to this GTX460 the prior drivers gave me the same error on four other occasions (am looking at event viewer right now).

Number of driver errors on the exact same rig albeit with the 8600GT for 7months? Zero.

And this is just doing 2D desktop stuff. Clean installs on the drivers, always, and running stock clocks. (and supposedly stable per OCCT and Kombustor testing)

I overclocked my 5870 to 950MHz on the core, all games were stable. All benches were stable. But every now and then, I'd get that error, espeically when I played flash videos... shouldn't be too demanding, right? I backed my overclock down 25MHz and the problem vanished. You might want to try that, back your overclock down a bit and see what happens. Who knew that the desktop and flash videos were more demanding than OCCT? 😀

 

[Idontcare]

I overclocked my 5870 to 950MHz on the core, all games were stable. All benches were stable. But every now and then, I'd get that error, espeically when I played flash videos... shouldn't be too demanding, right? I backed my overclock down 25MHz and the problem vanished. You might want to try that, back your overclock down a bit and see what happens. Who knew that the desktop and flash videos were more demanding than OCCT? 😀

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the advice. Yeah this makes sense now that you mention it. Its exactly the sort of advice I'd give if a CPU OC'er was reporting intermittent system instability.

The thing is I'm not overclocking the card. Now it is a factory OC'ed card, so it isn't running Nvidia's spec stock clocks either.

I'm beginning to wonder if I just have a bum card because when I do attempt to overclock it I get nowhere near the "OCCT stable" overclocks that everyone else seem to report for theirs. (I can't go above ~825MHz at any voltage without OCCT errors)

Anyways, if it is a hardware issue and not a driver issue then my posts here are really off-topic so we shouldn't persist in talking about them here.

Thanks for the hint though, definitely has me thinking...

- Phil

 

[Axon]

I don't suppose you have another NV card around that you could plug in to see? Or you could always bake it 😉

 

[Idontcare]

I don't suppose you have another NV card around that you could plug in to see? Or you could always bake it 😉

Sure, I could always plug-in the 8600GT I took out to begin with, but again I had zero errors with it in the same rig. (all the errors in event viewer logs occurred since the upgrade)

TBH, the only reason I'd go to the time and effort of pulling the GTX460 is to install something else entirely. (prolly a HD6xxx something or other if they really do support 2x2 eyefinity config)

I held onto that 8600GT not because of the upgrade price but because I am just so loathe to taking down my rig and redoing hardware these days.

As for baking a card in my oven...yuck! do you guys know the kinds of VOC's that generates? can't believe you expose yourself to them, and in the same oven you prepare your food no less 🙁 No thanks, I'll take the $200 hit and toss the card before elevating my risk of lung/stomach/colon cancer.

OK - anymore of this off-topic posting and I am going to have to infract myself for thread-derailing, back on-topic please :|

 

[Axon]

Mmmm delicious carcinogens.

On a serious note, you can also downclock the card using MSI's afterburner software, see if that turns up any result.

 

[Idontcare]

Mmmm delicious carcinogens.

On a serious note, you can also downclock the card using MSI's afterburner software, see if that turns up any result.

Had another event viewer error, so then I thought maybe I should just check again with Kombustor and OCCT and confirm this sucker isn't dying on me...sure enough, my foot is firmly wedged in my mouth on this one, the card is no longer kombustor or OCCT stable at factory stock clocks.

Emailed MSI support. Gonna move these posts out of here and into another thread just because it bothers me that we (me) are derailing this driver thread.

 

[tweakboy]

That error is caused when the PSU and video card give out! A reboot fixes the problem.

This is probably happening because of PSU spikes and possible high OC. thx

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Yeah, IDC, what kind of power supply you got feeding your card? It is entirely possible, even likely that you psu is dying and causing card instability. It might have given out long ago but your 8600 never stressed it enough for you to notice.

It can honestly be one, the other, or if you psu has permanently damaged the card at this point it could be both.

 

[bryanW1995]

most gtx 460's will oc to 800, but not every single one will. most companies just take stock parts for their OC cards, though maybe the FTW or similar cards are actually tested first. if they end up rma'ing your card it will probably end up as a stock gtx 460...

 

[Idontcare]

Yeah, IDC, what kind of power supply you got feeding your card? It is entirely possible, even likely that you psu is dying and causing card instability. It might have given out long ago but your 8600 never stressed it enough for you to notice.

It can honestly be one, the other, or if you psu has permanently damaged the card at this point it could be both.

My PSU is the CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-620HX 620W

Of course it could be dying regardless the specs, but I was under the impression that the 620HX was a good PSU and more than enough to handle a GTX460.

I don't have another comparable PSU to swap it out with, same with the GTX460.

What should I do to determine if it really is my PSU or my vid-card giving me grief?

 

[notty22]

You could try re-inserting your card, same with the power connectors. Re-seat everything. You used the two pci-e cables from your psu not adapters I'd think ?
If this card behaves like this in 2d and the 8600gt does not, I'd rma the board. Could be as simple as a capacitor going out of spec, or other board component. You got unlucky 🙁

 

[cubeless]

was this with the 260 drivers? i had a problem on my 750i ftw and sli 9800's that went away when i put the 258's back on... i think the 260 has a problem or two...

 

[CurseTheSky]

Got a digital multimeter or volt meter?

Grab a spare molex off of the PSU. Turn the DMM to volts DC, set for around 20. Insert the red lead on the DMM into the yellow wire of the molex connection, and insert the black lead into one of the black wire slots on the molex.

Your reading should be between 11.6 and 12.4V or so (12.0V is ideal). A little higher or lower probably won't hurt, but beyond that (11.2V or 12.9V, for example), you're out of spec and have a bad PSU. Make sure to test first when the computer is at idle, then again while stressing components some how such as playing a demanding game or running Prime95 + Furmark.

 

[RussianSensation]

Check your 12V rail in HWMonitor. If it's above 11.75v, you have nothing to worry about. That PSU is rock solid and can easily handle 2x GTX460s.

I have heard HDMI sound drivers causing issues in Windows for some Nvidia graphics cards when they interfere with another sound card (like onboard or Creative). However, since you said your card no longer passes a stress test, then it's possible that it is failing.

What are your card's temperatures in MSI Kombustor?

 

[Idontcare]

You could try re-inserting your card, same with the power connectors. Re-seat everything. You used the two pci-e cables from your psu not adapters I'd think ?
If this card behaves like this in 2d and the 8600gt does not, I'd rma the board. Could be as simple as a capacitor going out of spec, or other board component. You got unlucky 🙁

I am using one PCIe cable and one of those molex-dongle adaptors because I can't find my second PCIe cable.

I did reseat the power cables (just now, since I read your post) and kombustor still shows artifacts (horrendous ones, wish I could do a screen cap and show you).

was this with the 260 drivers? i had a problem on my 750i ftw and sli 9800's that went away when i put the 258's back on... i think the 260 has a problem or two...

I tried 4 sets of drivers (clean installs on all them), two recent betas and two recent WHQL's, no differences among them as far as my issue is concerned.

Got a digital multimeter or volt meter?

Grab a spare molex off of the PSU. Turn the DMM to volts DC, set for around 20. Insert the red lead on the DMM into the yellow wire of the molex connection, and insert the black lead into one of the black wire slots on the molex.

Your reading should be between 11.6 and 12.4V or so (12.0V is ideal). A little higher or lower probably won't hurt, but beyond that (11.2V or 12.9V, for example), you're out of spec and have a bad PSU. Make sure to test first when the computer is at idle, then again while stressing components some how such as playing a demanding game or running Prime95 + Furmark.

Thanks for the suggestion! :thumbsup:

I checked two different plugs (not on same cable 😛) and got virtually identical results to the following:

Idle: 12.18-12.20V

Loaded: 12.05-12.07V

For loaded conditions I tried Kombustor, then OCCT GPU, and then OCCT PSU. All cases gave me basically the same 12V readouts for loaded conditions.

Check your 12V rail in HWMonitor. If it's above 11.75v, you have nothing to worry about. That PSU is rock solid and can easily handle 2x GTX460s.

I have heard HDMI sound drivers causing issues in Windows for some Nvidia graphics cards when they interfere with another sound card (like onboard or Creative). However, since you said your card no longer passes a stress test, then it's possible that it is failing.

What are your card's temperatures in MSI Kombustor?

I downloaded HWMonitor. Wierd for some reason it reports my +12V line as being 0.56V...which can't possibly be true or my computer itself would never boot.

The other voltage readouts appear fine. 3.26V for my 3.3V line, 4.9V for my 5V line.

My idle GPU temps per afterburner are 33-35C. When Kombustor is going it gets up into the 60's. I don't let it run too long because it artifacts so bad I'm worried it will cause my rig to crash and I'd really like to not have to redo my win7 install for file corruption.

 

[Idontcare]

RMA support line has been great. I emailed tech support via the email address they listed in the newegg customer rating section and they had me rattle through some specs (pretty much like you guys asked) and then said "yes RMA".

So in the span of maybe 6 hrs from my initial email to their general tech support email address I had something around 8 email responses and two rma team responses (including rma issuance).

Been a long time since I've needed to rma something, but I thought that was pretty darn good tech support response time from MSI.

 

[Rifter]

now you are making me wonder if my 900Mhz OC is going to last, guess time will tell.

 

[BD231]

Die Fermi DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for your loss, always a bummer loosing a part due to flat out failure.

 

[Idontcare]

now you are making me wonder if my 900Mhz OC is going to last, guess time will tell.

Nah, in hindsight I think all the red flags were there on this card and I just never put the clues together till now.

Remember a month ago when I got this card and I first started fooling around with the overclocking I could do ~835MHz at stock volts. Then a few days later I couldn't go over 815MHz at stock volts, I figured it was just lack of stability runs and ignored the loss in OC headroom.

Then when I tried hitting 850MHz I found out I couldn't no matter the voltage and fanspeed.

So I think I just have one of those early fails in the field. I'd prolly be more pissed if the tech support took a week to get around to issuing the rma, and if I didn't have my original 8600GT to plug back in so I could keep going.

 

[RussianSensation]

I didn't have my original 8600GT to plug back in so I could keep going.

I am glad to hear MSI has been prompt with their responses. Now do you first have to send them the card before they will issue you a new one? I think you may have to pay for shipping costs to them though? Let's hope it goes smoothly. Keep us updated :thumbsup:

Funny you noted you have an old 8600GT. You and toyota are both using it for backup. That card was such a dud with initial launch drivers. But with more up-to-date drivers it even beats the 7900 series in games hhee.

 

[Sylvanas]

This error message has been around for many years now in both Nvidia and AMD incarnations (although arguably less prevelant in AMD's case). It's notoriously hard to pin down to a specific problem. People have testified to power, heat, drivers, OS, clocks all playing a role. In fact I think I remember a few years ago there was a statement by AMD/Nv that it was a result of the way Windows new driver model (WDDM) interacts with their cards to detect a conflict or fault (remember VPU recover in XP?).

I had it with my 8800GTX back in the day in Vista when I clocked it too high, I backed off a bit and it was fine. Now, that could be because a) the higher clockspeed itself was the issue b) The extra current drawn from a GPU at higher a higher frequency caused a problem c) Driver conflict with hardware operating out of spec D) My other theory was the VGA BIOS with regard to their voltage/speed profiles acting up when at a higher than stock freq. For example when freq is too high it slips out of the max voltage 3D profile and slips to low power or mid level video decoding profile (thereby lower voltages and probelms).

So, it goes back again to the usual culprits of high OC's, insufficient power or driver issues. It sounds like you've done the right thing in the long run, I wish you all the best with your replacement 🙂. I have always been pleased with MSI tech support.


EDIT: Ah, forgot about this thread good stuff taltamir.