My mom is threatening to divorce my father... I have some questions on divorce

Mister T

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Short story...

I am 23 and live in NY. My sister is a senior in college about to graduate and go to law school (does not live with parents). My parents live in Mass. alone. My mother is threatening to divorce my father because my mother wants to wage an economic war against my sister (paying for law school). My mother and sister are in a huge fight because my sister is seriously dating some dude in Spain through a long distance relationship. My mother condems the relationship because she is convinced that this spanish dude is looking to marry my sister to bring himself and his family to the U.S.

So, my mother, wants nothing to do with my sister as long as she is dating this guy. She told my sister over christmas that she will pay for her last semester of school only (this is what my parents did for me - equal treatment of chidlren, etc)... BUT she will not support her through law school (would be over 120K total). My father on the other hand says he will continue to support her for educational purposes. Now, my mother has determined that this situation is the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back." She wants to divorce my father and to disinheret my sister

Questions:

1) My mother told my father yesterday that she is going to go to the lawyer and get a "letter" to have my father kicked out of the house (something like 24 hour notice). Can she do this? My father has never abused my mother, does not drink, gamble, or do anything that would merit being thrown out of the house (unless disagreeing with my mom over how to spend their money warrants this)

2) My father is adamantly against a divorce, but he realizes that if my mother wants to go through with it, there is not all that much he can do. I told my father that if push comes to shove, he should get his own lawyer to protect himself (parents own a ton of real estate property)... Is this the right way to go?

3) My mother is a very sick person: had breast cancer, has high blood pressure, kidney problems due to all the medications she takes, etc. My father is 62 (mom is 56) and decided a while back to work until 68 because of health insurance reasons. My mom incurs over 100K a year in medical expenses that is covered by insurance. If my dad were to retire, she would not qualify for medicare since she is not of age, so my father is going to keep working at his job until my mom was of age to get medicare. So, if my mom pushes through with the divorce, will my mom have to buy her own health insurance (she is currently self employed and it would costs a ridiculous amount of money)?

the long version of the story would take me days to type out.....
 

KK

Lifer
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I think your mother has to see someone for help(shrink). There must be more to this story than this, unless she's nuts of course.

KK
 

tm37

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Questions:

1) My mother told my father yesterday that she is going to go to the lawyer and get a "letter" to have my father kicked out of the house (something like 24 hour notice). Can she do this? My father has never abused my mother, does not drink, gamble, or do anything that would merit being thrown out of the house (unless disagreeing with my mom over how to spend their money warrants this)

unsure varies state to state
2) My father is adamantly against a divorce, but he realizes that if my mother wants to go through with it, there is not all that much he can do. I told my father that if push comes to shove, he should get his own lawyer to protect himself (parents own a ton of real estate property)... Is this the right way to go?

he should get a lawer as so as the papers are filed, the only way to protect yourself. Even if he wants to be civil he can if he has a lawer without one he is at her mercy

3) My mother is a very sick person: had breast cancer, has high blood pressure, kidney problems due to all the medications she takes, etc. My father is 62 (mom is 56) and decided a while back to work until 68 because of health insurance reasons. My mom incurs over 100K a year in medical expenses that is covered by insurance. If my dad were to retire, she would not qualify for medicare since she is not of age, so my father is going to keep working at his job until my mom was of age to get medicare. So, if my mom pushes through with the divorce, will my mom have to buy her own health insurance (she is currently self employed and it would costs a ridiculous amount of money)?
sometimes the divorce will stipulate who will cover the medical costs, again with a lawer he will have some leverage but not much. Cancelling her insurance or quiting his job before the divore is a really bad idea as most judges frown apon that

I cannot stress encouraging him to get a lawer enough, there is no way to protect yourself without one.
 

Azraele

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I'm sorry to hear of the situation. :(

Just from an outsider's perspective, it sounds like your mom feels very strongly about these issues. However, it also sounds like she's going overboard. Rather than trying to resolve these issues, she's adament about getting her way and who cares about the consequences. Family is about sticking together and communication and compromise. It sounds like your mom is willing to do none of these things. It's her way or the highway. Has she given this Spanish guy a chance at all? Can a compromise be made as far as education (pay half of law school, for example)?

As far as your other questions, have your dad consult a lawyer.
 

Kadarin

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I'm of the opinion that there must be more behind the wish for the divorce than just this. (But if your mother is mentally unstable, who knows?) Your father should get that lawyer ASAP and go over his options. Good luck to you all.
 

Ornery

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Sounds like your mom is pretty damn unreasonable. She may very well have a point about your sister's relationship, but using money to get her way isn't too cool. Guess it's the only leverage she has, eh?

I'd sure be interested in hearing what a divorce court/judge has to say about this. Also the state laws. This is a total crock on your mom's part where the divorce is concerned. Your dad is a great guy for putting up with any part of this. If he's had to endure this type of arm twisting over the years he's a saint!
 

conjur

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Sounds like your mother has some emotional and possibly mental problems that need to seriously be dealt with. Maybe she's become bitter over the years from illness and medication but she is acting irrationally.

Sorry to see this happening to you and your family but the sooner your mother seeks help, the better off everyone will be. Trouble is, if she is in such denial and won't seek help, there's not really much to do and divorce is pretty much a foregone conclusion (as I found myself after years of dealing with a wife suffering depression - and other things).
 

Pliablemoose

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Your mom needs an MRI or CT scan, unless her behavior is typical, it sounds irrational, one of the signs of possible metastitis of the primary breast cancer to her brain. Also, her behavior can be significantly affected by her other medical conditions.

Your father not only needs to see a lawyer, but he should interview with all the good local lawyers so they can't represent her.

Sounds like a mess, sorry it's happening.
 

Tominator

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Sounds like your mother has some emotional and possibly mental problems that need to seriously be dealt with.

Sounds like the condition has been passed down to the daughter! Does this daughter know the trouble she is causing? Until she supports herself fully she should be very sensitive to her parents wishes.

Looks like some serious counseling is in order for at least three members of the family....
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Tominator
Sounds like your mother has some emotional and possibly mental problems that need to seriously be dealt with.

Sounds like the condition has been passed down to the daughter! Does this daughter know the trouble she is causing? Until she supports herself fully she should be very sensitive to her parents wishes.

Looks like some serious counseling is in order for at least three members of the family....

You sure we should stop there. Maybe Mister T needs some too.
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I'm surprised you don't try to blame bush for this too.

It's clear that maybe some of the medications she's on is altering her mind. Maybe look up some of the medications shes taking and see what the side effects are.

KK
 

abaez

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Originally posted by: Tominator
Sounds like your mother has some emotional and possibly mental problems that need to seriously be dealt with.

Sounds like the condition has been passed down to the daughter! Does this daughter know the trouble she is causing? Until she supports herself fully she should be very sensitive to her parents wishes.

Looks like some serious counseling is in order for at least three members of the family....

His sister is most likely over 21, her parents cannot choose who she dates she makes her own decisions. They can use money to get their way yes, but thats about it.
 

Shaftatplanetquake

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Your mom is not looking at the grand scheme. Family is about a loving bond that keeps you together no matter what. She is willing to disown your daughter and divorce your father over such trivial things. There are deeper issues at work here, or she is a moron.
 

Mister T

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thank you to all that have replied...

Some other points to clarify:

- This behavior is typical for my mother
- My mother has wanted a divorce ever since I was a young child (about 4 years old)... she never went through with it for the sake of the "kids"
- My dad is a great father, but a poor husband... he treats my mom as a business partner rather than a spouse
- My mom is sick, mentally unstable and feels like no one appreciates her (my father is a cold stoic person when it comes to emotional issues)
- My sister is 21 years old

Other interesting point:

Ever since I was able to walk, I have rebelled against my mother for whatever reason. My sister on the other hand, for the first 20 years of her life has rolled over and listened to my mom. A year after going to college, I started dating a girl, Anita... my mom frowned upon the relationship as it was interracial ( she is half latvian, half indian and I am 100% greek). This happened about the same time I switched major from electrical engineering to finance. At the time, my mother black mailed me to stop dating my GF otheriwise she would stop paying for my college (went to MIT). I told her to basically take her money and shove it, and that if she blackmailed me, she would save a few bucks, but lose her son. I called her bluff... I won.

Fast forward 3.5 years, I am still dating Anita and my mom over Christmas gave me her blessing for me to marry her (Anita and I are not engaged nor do we live together, nor do we have plans to do either) Anita is not greek, she does not share the same religion and my family, yet my mom now loves her and yells at me when I don't bring her along to family events (this past christmas she went to her parents house). My mom proceeds to lecture my sister about how at least her son was smart enough to date an american citizen and why does she have to go date a spaniard, etc.

What is happening now, is that what I accomplished over 20 years of rebellion (independence), my sister is trying to do over 6 months. This is too much for my mother to handle. To make matters worse, my father does not agree with my mothers tactics on how to parent which is pissing my mother off. What is comes down to is that my mother makes about 3 times what my dad makes in terms of $$$. Then when she tries to blackmail her children, my father won't let her because he has access to all the money my mom makes. So her plans usually get foiled. This time my mom is determined to cut off my sister.... she can't do this without my dad's cooperation, hence divorce.
 

Mister T

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oh, my sister holds a wild card....

When she was 5 years old, she was bite by a dog in the face. She has had numerous plastic surgeries to fix the problem.
She is finally suing the insurance company and it is expected she will pocket about 150K after lawyer fees.

Shaftatplanetquake

The deep issues are:

- my parents have been disagreeing on how to parent their children for over 20 years
- my parents, although they care about eachother, don't love eachother
- it has been a marriage of convenience and it seems to have outlived its usefullness
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Mister T
thank you to all that have replied...

Some other points to clarify:

- This behavior is typical for my mother
- My mother has wanted a divorce ever since I was a young child (about 4 years old)... she never went through with it for the sake of the "kids"
- My dad is a great father, but a poor husband... he treats my mom as a business partner rather than a spouse
- My mom is sick, mentally unstable and feels like no one appreciates her (my father is a cold stoic person when it comes to emotional issues)
- My sister is 21 years old

Other interesting point:

Ever since I was able to walk, I have rebelled against my mother for whatever reason. My sister on the other hand, for the first 20 years of her life has rolled over and listened to my mom. A year after going to college, I started dating a girl, Anita... my mom frowned upon the relationship as it was interracial ( she is half latvian, half indian and I am 100% greek). This happened about the same time I switched major from electrical engineering to finance. At the time, my mother black mailed me to stop dating my GF otheriwise she would stop paying for my college (went to MIT). I told her to basically take her money and shove it, and that if she blackmailed me, she would save a few bucks, but lose her son. I called her bluff... I won.

Fast forward 3.5 years, I am still dating Anita and my mom over Christmas gave me her blessing for me to marry her (Anita and I are not engaged nor do we live together, nor do we have plans to do either) Anita is not greek, she does not share the same religion and my family, yet my mom now loves her and yells at me when I don't bring her along to family events (this past christmas she went to her parents house). My mom proceeds to lecture my sister about how at least her son was smart enough to date an american citizen and why does she have to go date a spaniard, etc.

What is happening now, is that what I accomplished over 20 years of rebellion (independence), my sister is trying to do over 6 months. This is too much for my mother to handle. To make matters worse, my father does not agree with my mothers tactics on how to parent which is pissing my mother off. What is comes down to is that my mother makes about 3 times what my dad makes in terms of $$$. Then when she tries to blackmail her children, my father won't let her because he has access to all the money my mom makes. So her plans usually get foiled. This time my mom is determined to cut off my sister.... she can't do this without my dad's cooperation, hence divorce.

Well that clarifies alot. She needs some support from someone. As it looks now, your sister, who maybe was closest to you mother thru out her childhood is now moving on. Your mother evidently doesn't want this. Now it seems like you are probably the closest one too her now. Maybe a good talking to her may mend the bond between your mother and sister. As far as the marriage, it sounds like it's been over for quite sometime.

KK

 

Vampirrella

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wow this is quite a big load to carry on your shoulders.. i wish you the best and hope things work out!
 

waggy

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wow your mother really needs help. she is a nutcase.

But it might be the best thing for htem to divorce. its not good for either of them to stay in such a relationship.

i would advice your father to get a lawar ASAP. Unless he has been cheating on her or beating on her they will split everything down the middle. He can even force the sale of the house if he wants to be a dick.

If divorced morst likely she would have to get her own medicar.While he would have to pay alimony he is not responsible for her health care. If she cant get a job then that is NOT his fault.

good luck. it sounds like it will be a nasty divorce. just get your dad to a lawyer! NOW! tell him to NOT sign a damn thing or say anything! until he talks to a lawyer.
 

ReiAyanami

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isnt it obvious?! the mother doesnt want the daughter to goto law school; she trying to save her daughter's soul!!!

i mean do we really want another lawyer, maybe she can become a doctor of some sort and help society.
 

Ornery

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Wow, your mom makes 3X what your dad does? Cool, if your state requires them to split everything down the middle, she'll freak! :D

I get the impression you don't feel too bad about the impending divorce. Actually seems like it would be best for everyone.

Good luck to you and Anita. My step-nephew had the same type of run in with his dad over his dating a girl of a different "heritage". Dad threatened to pull the plug on school money. Well, he stuck to his guns and is still dating her. My respect for him has grown as much as it's been reduced for his dad. He sure didn't seem like that kind of guy...

Good luck to your whole family. I'm sort of rooting for the divorce now!
 

Bignate603

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Ok, here's what I get... Your sister now holds enough to pay for school. She may be able to use it to prevent her mother from blackmailing her. If she loves this guy, then I guess that's the right thing. Hopefully your mom will come around.