My manager just told me it was my last day of work here

[The Stigenator]

backdoors are quite fun when executed right. We had one on a computer of a person we suspected of embezelling, and sure enough he was, and that he was watching porn while at work. We had his passwords and what not. Spector is a great piece of software.

Oh when I left the backdoor was still there 2 years on, until the office moved.. the new IT guy didnt know a fake userid from a real one.

 

[Paladin3]

We all understand why a company springs firings with no notice and walk ex-employees out of the building. That's exactly how it's been done everywhere I've ever worked.

What I don't understand is why the manager doing the firing can't at least be cool about it, shake the hand of the guy being fired, say thanks or sorry and sincerely wish them good luck at their next job. Unless an employee is being fired for something serious, there is no reason to be a dick about it when you see them off the property.

 

[ProfJohn]

What I don't understand is why the manager doing the firing can't at least be cool about it, shake the hand of the guy being fired, say thanks or sorry and sincerely wish them good luck at their next job. Unless an employee is being fired for something serious, there is no reason to be a dick about it when you see them off the property.

Because all the 'rules' of firing tell you not to do anything like that.

To keep a completely neutral expression and not get into discussions about the why or the how but to calmly state that you are letting them go and the reason why and then stop the conversation and walk them out the door after they gather their stuff.

It is done this way to prevent lawsuits mostly. Don't want someone to slip up and say something that could get you sued. And also because most people don't want a hand shake and a thank you when they are being fired or laid off.

I had to fire a guy who had 6 years with the company and whose wife was not working either due to the economy. All said I was that I got the phone call to let him go and that it wasn't my decision and never said another word. The guy was so pissed that he took off his company logo shirt and placed on the break room counter and walked out without a shirt. He didn't want a thanks or a sorry or a handshake.

 

[Bignate603]

Sucks to work in the United States. Over here in Finland, it's against the law to fire anyone without a two week notice. If you've worked in your position for at least 4 years, you receive a two month notice. OP, had you been working in Finland, you'd be working until early December

He wouldn't be working. He would be told to go home and they would mail him the checks. The last thing a business wants is an angry guy that has control over valuable data.

I'm planning on switching jobs soon. I'm planning on giving them a few weeks notice before I leave but I'm fully aware that they might decline the offer and walk me out the door. I'm going to have everything ready so I can leave immediately if I need to.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Outsourcing kills again. Sorry to hear. That has to suck hard to get news like that. I don't know what I'd do. These days the only secure job is running your own business. Even then, it's a lot of work to keep your customers.

 

[guyver01]

hope you have a back up of their database to sell to competitor.

and if you do this, a good lawyer when they sue you

 

[Paladin3]

Because all the 'rules' of firing tell you not to do anything like that.

To keep a completely neutral expression and not get into discussions about the why or the how but to calmly state that you are letting them go and the reason why and then stop the conversation and walk them out the door after they gather their stuff.

It is done this way to prevent lawsuits mostly. Don't want someone to slip up and say something that could get you sued. And also because most people don't want a hand shake and a thank you when they are being fired or laid off.

I had to fire a guy who had 6 years with the company and whose wife was not working either due to the economy. All said I was that I got the phone call to let him go and that it wasn't my decision and never said another word. The guy was so pissed that he took off his company logo shirt and placed on the break room counter and walked out without a shirt. He didn't want a thanks or a sorry or a handshake.

Good point. I didn't say slip up and say something that would open the company to any liability. I just said not be a dick about it.

I guess what I'm really thinking about is when I've seen employees laid-off badly. I understand a cold and formal CYA dismissal when someone is being fired for cause, but I've seen too many employees laid-off for purely financial reason and even then the manager can't seem to spit out a simple "thanks for your work" and a polite handshake.

It's like the manager feels he has to put the former employee in their place since they are no longer on the team. But then I've worked at a few really, really fucked up places.

 

[MustISO]

Our group was told on a Monday morning. They gave us a lot of time to collect our stuff and say goodbye. I was really surprised how much freedom they gave us.

 

[ProfJohn]

Have you ever had to fire someone?

It is by far the toughest part of being a manager. Even firing a fuck up is stressful because you have no idea how they are going to react.

You forget that the person doing to firing can be as upset and stressed at the person being fired.

I was glad to get rid of the guy I fired, but it was still upsetting because he had 6 years with the company and was the only person in the house with an income.

The OP sounds like a similar situation in that letting him go is good for the company long term, but bad for the people who have to do the firing.

 

[Doppel]

This must be your first job and you don't know how the real world works. Expecting 2 weeks notice that you are being terminated? LOL.

Here's the best part.....

"They couldn't even thank me for the 4 years that I had given to their company."

Did you thank them for paying your salary and giving you benefits for the past 4 years? They did their part. They don't owe you thanks.

Most places I've been at when you get fired it's immediate. However, you DO get two weeks pay. I've never worked anywhere that didn't give two weeks pay because those still there know they will get fvcked if they're ever laid off/fired.

Unfortunately most of the people I've been around who were laid off, and most of them are not crazy people who will go postal, are just basically called in early and that's that and we don't hear from them again except via email.

The good news for the OP is that if he can get references IT is not a bad field to find work in at this time.

OP said no severance but they are really not even giving two weeks' pay? That is VERY lame.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Have you ever had to fire someone?

It is by far the toughest part of being a manager. Even firing a fuck up is stressful because you have no idea how they are going to react.

You forget that the person doing to firing can be as upset and stressed at the person being fired.

I was glad to get rid of the guy I fired, but it was still upsetting because he had 6 years with the company and was the only person in the house with an income.

The OP sounds like a similar situation in that letting him go is good for the company long term, but bad for the people who have to do the firing.

Yeah that's usually what it is. Often it's not even the manager's decision but higher up head honchos doing 900k/year who have never even walked in the building and could not care less about the people at the bottom. It's sad how it works but it is what it is. The company I work at got bought out a few years back, and there have been lot of layoffs. It's a scary time.

 

[Hacp]

I'm sorry.

 

[Imp]

That sucks. It reinforces my belief that I owe companies/employers absolutely nothing though; I always have to remind myself of that though.

Got another 1000 layoffs (1%-ish) coming at my company. Mostly should be through attrition or near/at-retirement people. But I've only 2 years seniority, so shit could happen. I'm mentally checked out already because I can and should do better. Going to suck if it's sudden though because I don't drive, and I have over 3 boxes of personal shit in my cube.

 

[lxskllr]

Going to suck if it's sudden though because I don't drive, and I have over 3 boxes of personal shit in my cube.

Time to start taking stuff home. If I worked in an environment like that, I wouldn't keep more personal items than I could carry in one bag, car or not.

 

[Imp]

Time to start taking stuff home. If I worked in an environment like that, I wouldn't keep more personal items than I could carry in one bag, car or not.

I've got 2 close-ish work friends on other floors that I could stash stuff with, but that's if they allow be to deviate from the most direct path to the elevator. Most of the crap is heavy and bulky protective equipment like chestwaders, steel toes and vests, so going to be fun!

 

[alkemyst]

I tried to VPN into my account when I got home to make sure I had deleted any personal e-mails on my account but they had already changed my account login info.

Chances are it was done as your boss was walking to you. Sucks...but there really isn't any good way to fire someone.

There are tons of stories of a company getting burned for doing the nice thing and telling someone they have two weeks or just a day even to prepare.

In this economy it's expensive to give two weeks as well as we all know those two weeks are more than likely any employees least productive.

Good luck with finding something new.

 

[zokudu]

Sorry to hear that. Good luck with the job search.

 

[Spikesoldier]

that sucks at least you got good XP there

maybe you can ding and level up on the next job

 

[Nebor]

that sucks at least you got good XP there

maybe you can ding and level up on the next job

He should probably get some good interviewing gear before he goes to the next zone.

 

[Phokus]

Sucks to be a business owner in Finland. Might be why Finland produces nothing of note.

"Finland is highly productive in scientific research. In 2005, Finland had the fourth most scientific publications per capita of the OECD countries.[76] In 2007, 1801 patents were filed in Finland.[77]"

Their students are infinitely smarter than American students (they rank much higher in Maths/Sciences than we do, i think they were #1 in each). And this is with a society whose teachers are 99% unionized.

They have a much lower economic inequality than we do.

Also lower unemployment:

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...ty:sa&dl=en&hl=en&q=finland+unemployment+rate

You are dumb. And only in America can you find idiots such as yourself sucking corporate dick while cheering the ass whooping of the working man.

 

[Ichinisan]

They have a much lower economic inequality than we do.

Read: Much lower probability of financial prosperity.

 

[Eli]

That's pretty much the way it goes.

As an employee, they expect 2 weeks notice and for you to bend over backwards to make your leaving as easy on the company as possible, yet they'll fire you and escort you out of the building at the drop of a hat.

 

[Nebor]

Read: Much lower probability of financial prosperity.

Phokus would rather no one starves to death in a country where no one has Ferraris. I'd take a country where I have the opportunity to earn a Ferrari, but might end up starving to death if I fuck up.

 

[Via]

Phokus would rather no one starves to death in a country where no one has Ferraris. I'd take a country where I have the opportunity to earn a Ferrari, but might end up starving to death if I fuck up.

That's the problem with "new capitalism" - It's not enough to have plenty, somebody must be starving for you to enjoy it. If a society somehow existed where everyone was rich "new capitalists" would be miserable.

That's pretty sick.

 

[Nebor]

That's the problem with "new capitalism" - It's not enough to have plenty, somebody must be starving for you to enjoy it. If a society somehow existed where everyone was rich "new capitalists" would be miserable.

That's pretty sick.

There's nothing "new" about it.