Originally posted by: alyarb
Originally posted by: breakit23
Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
Maybe you just don't like that pang of social responsibility when poor people and foreigners make you realize they aren't as well off as you are. If only they would dress, speak, and act like you, we could just pretend they're one of us.
Honestly, I'm as liberal as they come. I don't feel that anyone has a responsibility to speak a certain way BUT, if they want to earn my respect, they should at least attempt to learn the language. My parents are immigrants and my dad still has a very strong accent - I could never, ever call him lazy. But I see the children of immigrants still speak with an accent, and it makes me sad.
That is possibly one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. It makes you sad because people speak with an accent? Besides accents from non-US countries, America itself has an absurb amount of accents by region. Immigrant parents will speak to their kids in accents and they just pick it up especially if they learned another language at a young age. What do you want? Everyone to sound just like you. I hope one day you will learn accceptance. I find it deeply embarrasing that you need to nitpick at accents when you're actually the problem with humanity.
you've seemed to have entered that discussion without any obvious effort to spell correctly even when firefox is likely to remind you how to spell second-grader words like "absurd," "embarrassing," and "acceptance." meanwhile, swbsam's whole argument is that he would merely like to see some obvious effort in communication, primarily for the accomodation of the listener, and he was likely to have been referring to all speakers of language everywhere, and I agree with him. his anecdotal reference was only for support and it was based on his own life, which clearly struck a sensitive nerve with you because you're probably cynical about something here that you lack. way to go.
you can observe that some hispanics know how to pronounce our vowels properly and have likewise assimilated a hell of a lot more of our culture than people who sit at home and watch the spanish channel all day with the abuela they smuggled in. these are the people who are likely to say "gee, would you like to be my girlfriend?" rather than just being cool (scarce experience with assimilated individuals means they don't now what "cool" is in this country). these are the people likely to say "bueno" rather than "sup?" when they pick up the goddamn telefono even when they see my, a white person's number, calling. do these outliers expect that they can keep up the monolithic status of their culture even when they've desperately emigrated here, where the culture is different, for the business opportunities? how do they expect to do business if they don't like how we do it?
and maybe this is just orlando, but legacy hispanics drive 10mph under the limit and assimilated ones drive 10 mph over. there is a difference, swbsam just didn't spell it out in braille for you with an upside down braille question mark at the beginning, so you missed it.
the great thing about america is that kids don't learn a goddamn thing from their families/parents. they learn it all from their friends at public school. how to speak, how to be cool, and how to make fun of the lesser mortals and stick up for themselves when compromised, and how to find good porn so that they learn how to be good sex partners, ad infinitum.
did anyone get that L&R reference? funny thread. also, the "ad infinitum" is my actual contribution here. i don't hate all latin phrases, only "ad infinitum" and "ad nauseam."
and i do not mean to speak against a wonderful idea like tolerance, because tolerance is the cornerstone of diplomacy and the duty of the superior. but if you are the subordinate in a given scenario, it would be wise to try to not be a fuckup.
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