"My leg got stuck between the train and the platform but don't call the ambulance i can't afford it"

[Phokus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/02/opinion/boston-subway-accident-health-care.html

This is a completely normal and healthy healthcare system we got. We can't have single payer like Canada does, otherwise we'll become the USSR.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Guess she should pull herself up by the..... loose skin hanging off her leg... now shouldn't she?

 

[Ausm]

I can see her point, especially if she doesn't have any insurance. Hell I just spent 3 days in the Hospital with an initial emergency room visit and the bill was 24K. I looked at the itemitized list and they charged my 6 bucks for a band aid!???

 

[Engineer]

Doesn't surprise me. Last year, my wife and daughter were out of town on Labor day and my daughter had a near breakdown. She slumped into the floor on the way home and my wife called me to look up an ER (nothing open on Labor day weekend except the ER). She took her to the closest one where she spent three hours, was completely misdiagnosed and later charged $17,500 (with $15,250 being the ER fee). Insurance denied it all stating it was not an emergency. We lost the appeal and ended up working with hospital to get the charges down.

What's sad is that we took her to the only open clinic in our hometown the next day and they refused to see her because she was seen by the ER the previous day. Had to take her back to an ER (different one) where they correctly diagnosed her and treated her. Cost for that one was $2,500 and insurance paid for it. The fee for the the regular doctor clinic would have been $170 instead of $2,500 but we had no other option except to wait a week for service (mandatory wait between ER visit and clinic followup).

Healthcare in this country is fucked beyond repair.

 

[sandorski]

Healthcare is a Right. Time to fix your shit.

 

[Commodus]

But remember, the US can't have socialized health care, because otherwise it'll end up like Venezuela. And as we all know, other countries with socialized health care don't exist. Canada, France, Sweden... all figments of your imagination.

 

[PottedMeat]

Healthcare in this country is fucked beyond repair.

there are way too many middlemen involved in us healthcare

 

[Jaskalas]

I can see her point, especially if she doesn't have any insurance. Hell I just spent 3 days in the Hospital with an initial emergency room visit and the bill was 24K. I looked at the itemitized list and they charged my 6 bucks for a band aid!???

3 days, 24k. You got away cheap. My father was charged half that for just 6 hours back in 2015. Depends on what they do.

This woman needing surgery would easily soar past your bill. I'm thinking 60 thousand for her. Though they'd probably cut her off from receiving medical service at some point.

 

[Rebel_L]

While there are good things about the Canadian health care system it also has tons of flaws and problems as well. I would certainly not model anything after the Canadian system as there are far better ones out there.

 

[Lanyap]

Even if she had insurance she probably could not afford the high deductibles and out of pocket expenses.

We pay $2,400 per month for a decent family plan for me, my wife and teenage daughter. Can't get a subsidy so we have to pay the full amount of the premium. As PottedMeat said, too many middlemen making huge profits on health care and drugs in the US. The pharmaceutical companies are continuing to take old inexpensive drugs and raising the price to unaffordable levels just for huge corporate profits.

 

[Moonbeam]

Democracy is dead. The American people are filled with frustration and rage, impotent frustration and rage, while the wealthy and wielders of power made wealthy by them are quite happy and use their wealth to divide and conquer so that nothing will ever change. Meanwhile our culture coarsens, social cohesion collapses, as wealth flows to the top. The closer the end the greater the need for change and the less time there is to achieve it. As I see it, there is only one issue, how do we retrieve a meaningful democracy. How do we acquire the sense that we matter? How can we show we care? How do we create a revolution? I know. How about a weekend in the Bahamas.... Howe about an African Safari. I’ve always wanted to kill a giraffe.

 

[Commodus]

While there are good things about the Canadian health care system it also has tons of flaws and problems as well. I would certainly not model anything after the Canadian system as there are far better ones out there.

It's still far better than the American model. They don't have to choose between recovering from an injury and staying out of bankruptcy.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

there are way too many middlemen involved in us healthcare

The meats agree.
Too many middlemen that add no value, too many conflicting laws that make collection impossible, feeds ever increasing costs.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

While there are good things about the Canadian health care system it also has tons of flaws and problems as well. I would certainly not model anything after the Canadian system as there are far better ones out there.

Per the two dual citizen Canadians I’ve worked with. US Healthcare for check ups and basic stuff. Canadian healthcare for anything big or surgical stuff.

 

[Ausm]

3 days, 24k. You got away cheap. My father was charged half that for just 6 hours back in 2015. Depends on what they do.

This woman needing surgery would easily soar past your bill. I'm thinking 60 thousand for her. Though they'd probably cut her off from receiving medical service at some point.

I didn't require surgery which would have been MUCH more . I had a bad infection which required inpatient I.V. for 3 days followed by 5 days of outpatient I.V.

 

[Incorruptible]

The American healthcare system needs changes to improve it but calling for socialist healthcare is just despicable. Fuck socialism.

 

[Commodus]

The American healthcare system needs changes to improve it but calling for socialist healthcare is just despicable. Fuck socialism.

Yeah, how dare we treat health as a right and give a damn about people besides ourselves. And besides, you know full well that you'll never get positive reform so long as the current batch of Republicans is in office.

 

[Incorruptible]

Yeah, how dare we treat health as a right and give a damn about people besides ourselves. And besides, you know full well that you'll never get positive reform so long as the current batch of Republicans is in office.

Healthcare isnt a right. How dare you steal other peoples money for yourself.

 

[nickqt]

Healthcare isnt a right. How dare you steal other peoples money for yourself.

Roads aren't a right. How dare people steal other people's money for themselves?

 

[MrSquished]

Healthcare isnt a right. How dare you steal other peoples money for yourself.

Healthcare is only deserved if you have a certain job level or above. If you are in between employment or below a 60K a year level job, no matter how much you work, your health is meaningless. Duh.

 

[Incorruptible]

Roads aren't a right. How dare people steal other people's money for themselves?

People pay taxes to use the roads though and they are a role of government.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Healthcare isnt a right. How dare you steal other peoples money for yourself.

Boarder control is a right?
Defense spending is a right?

Please explain I’m interested.

Aren’t you the guy who was all pissed that a Moose-lamb threw a cross on the ground?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

People pay taxes to use the roads though and they are a role of government.

What do you think “promote the general welfare” covers?

 

[nickqt]

People pay taxes to use the roads though and they are a role of government.

People pay taxes for health care, and it should be the job of the government to guarantee substantive health care access for all.

Man, once you start defining what is and isn't a right, it sure does get subjective and arbitrary!

 

[tweaker2]

FYGM strikes again and that's exactly what the for profit health care/insurance industry promotes with their profit raking priorites.

Can't afford the continuously rising cost of health care? Too fvcking bad, profits come first and foremost.

The ACA that was hobbled by numerous Repub amendments and now rendered impotent by Trump and his Repub lackeys in the legislature was a foot in the door toward affordable health care for all, but as we've seen time and again, the Repubs think that making maximum profits off of people's health care needs is much more important than any other thing that might get in the way of that.

Here are some Trump quotes (lies) that he greased his supporters with when he was pushing for repeal/replace ACA: "INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY....NO CUTS TO MEDICAID....NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE....NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY....GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES....EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF". https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021

What did his supporters say about these blatant lies of Trump's?.....*crickets*. And that's not including the numerous flowery lies that came out of the Repubs in the House and Senate, all gobbled up and sated over by the Repub constituency, including the millions of working class Trumpsters that were/are being negatively affected by their own party leader's hatred of any kind of gov't sponsored health care directives that the working class folks of the nation deserve to benefit from.