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My initial thoughts on the PS3.

I know, I know, all we need is another PS3 impressions thread, but I wanted to put all my thoughts in one place. I finally made the decision to sell my Wii and pick up a PS3. For my gaming style, a PS3 will be used much more than the Wii ever would be, and considering the fact that my Wii wasn't even plugged in for the past month (and not even turned on for a month before that), it only made sense for me to "invest" into a console that will be used consistently.

So, after finding out about an unadvertised Gamestop deal that netted you a free game with the purchase of a 60GB PS3, I decided to go with that model. I was more interested in Heavenly Sword as a game to own that Motorstorm. The difference between hardware and software backwards compatibility was a non-issue for me, so I didn't care which system I ended up with. So I purchased my 60GB unit with Heavenly Sword, and I also picked up God of War (one of my 5 or so PS2 games I wanted to play).

Upon opening the box, it's amazing how few items are in there. I'm still miffed that Sony hyped the HD capabilities of this machine, basically making you think that it's worthless to own without an HDTV, and then they do not include an HDMI or component cables. And what's with the short-as-hell, 6' USB cable? Due to my living room config, I had to sit on the far end of the couch on the very edge of it in order to use the controller. Luckily this shouldn't be an issue in the future as long as I keep it charged up (being able to charge from a regular computer is a huge plus). That's just a very minor gripe, though....I can deal with a short USB cable.

As far as the system itself, it's a nice looking piece of electronic. Maybe a bit too shiny for my tastes, but who really cares, right? The touch buttons are a nice addition, adds a bit of "high-end" feeling to it. The unit is a bit bulkier than I had imagined (I've handled a couple when I worked at Gamestop, but it's hard to realize size until you get it in your home). Regardless of that, I have plenty of room on my entertainment rack, so I could care less about total size. It just looks "stocky".

So I got the system all hooked up. It's currently running via HDMI and optical out, displaying at 1080p with no problems. The XMB interface is a nice contrast to the 360 interface that I've been used to for the past year and a half. I've used the XMB on a PSP before, so I was familiar with how it works. The 360 interface is a bit slow for me now that I run it in 1080p (it's noticably slower than when I ran in 1080i previously before I got my new TV), but the XMB is always fast. I think everything is laid out in a no-nonsense fashion....you really don't have to go through too many steps to get to where you're going, and even if you do, the interface is fast, so it's no problem. I'm glad that queued downloading was added via firmware a few months ago, but I already miss being able to turn off the console and have it continue to download like the 360 does. I would've left it on overnight, but it had already been on for 6 hours straight. The R&C demo only got to 55% downloaded in 3 hours time.....definitely slow like everyone says. I still have the GT-HD demo to download, which will likely take the rest of the weekend 😛.

Everything is ultra crisp and clear in 1080p, and this is where the Playstation Store shines. So far, I think the PStore is a MUCH better solution to what Microsoft has with their Marketplace blade. I don't know how it looks in lower resolutions, but in 1080p, there is all kinds of info to peruse. I LOVE the recent additions list and the top downloads list on the right. That's awesome, and really help you see at a glance what's new. On the 360, you'd have to go in and out of several screens to look at all the new arrivals.....something that has made me just wait for Queasy posts to see what's been added 🙂. The rest of the screen real estate is large and easy to navigate/read. It's very well done compared to the competition IMO.

I haven't added any friends or anything like that, so I can't comment on the online system, (but I will at a later date). However, it's looks like it will be easy to use, and it looks like it will be simpler to initiate chats and the like. Once again, this is just going back to the PS3 interface being soooo much faster than the 360 interface.

The web browser is a nice touch, although I won't use it that much. The first page I went to was, obviously, the forums here 🙂. When I set the browser to display full screen, pixel for pixel, the text was so small, it was hard to read from 8' away (although it was still very legible if you have good eyes...I could barely make it out). I tried adjusting the font size in the menu, but that didn't change anything, so I'll mess with that later. I like that popular plug-ins are available, and that they didn't seem to dummy down the browser. Oddly enough, bungie.net wouldn't load for me, as it said that it ran out of memory 🙂.

The only game I currently have is Heavenly Sword. Since this is more of a hardware impression, I'll just say that HS has absolutely THE best facial models and lip-sync/modeling I've ever seen in a video game, bar none.

Overall, I like it so far. Regardless of what some of you think, I'm not a 360 or Microsoft fanboy, I just really enjoy their products. Vista, the 360, the Zune....I love all those products and how they are tied in together. My main beef with Sony over the past year has been their PR, and how they acted like they could put out whatever they wanted and people will pay. I still a bit guilty paying $500 for a console, but I did get a free game out of the deal, and it is a blu-ray player also. That and I had sold my Wii, so it wasn't all $500 straight out of the checking account at one time.

I think the PS3 will suit me fine going into the future, and hopefully Sony will eat a little humble pie and be more up front with their consumers. Microsoft has been, with the warranty extension, the Major Nelson website, and everything else they do to get involved in the community. However, I've not been involved too much in the Playstation community, so I could not know what I'm talking about. I'm pleased with the PS3 hardware, I know there will be more games on the horizon to play.

Maybe I'll comment later on the DVD playback, blu-ray playback, and PS2 game upscaling. But as of right now, I'm happy with my purchase!
 
I find it interesting you feel your guide is slower with your console set to 1080p. AFAIK the guide is always rendered at 720p and upscaled if needed.

I do know my launch console seemed to run the guide much slower than the Elite I just bought though. I do feel the guide could benefit from a performance upgrade though.
 
I had a similar reaction when I got my PS3.. I was (and continue to be) really impressed with the hardware, fit & finish. It really is a great unit, debate about prices and available games aside.

I'm not a fan of the XMB interface though. There is too much there, especially when you start browsiing media shares, or have a sizeable amount of demos downloaded. It feels really cluttered to me + I dont notice a difference in browsing speed at all.

Good choice on the demos too R&C + GT demos are pretty impressive. Also, dont forget to send in for your 5 free BD movies

(My PSN is in sig if you want to add me. I dont really have many MP games right now though as I just sent Warhawk back)
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Yeah, the 360's interface is slow. What the hell is the deal with that?

Most likely the small amount of resources MS allocates for it, maybe it will be optimized in a dashboard update.

Is the XMB accessible in-game?
 
Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
I find it interesting you feel your guide is slower with your console set to 1080p. AFAIK the guide is always rendered at 720p and upscaled if needed.

Well, I guess now that I think about it, I did change TV's and consoles when I moved to 1080p (I bought a new TV, and my 360 RROD'd the same day). But that shouldn't matter, because I'm still hooked up through component. I don't know what it is, it's just noticably slower than when I ran in 1080i on my old rear-projection. I assumed the increase to 1080p was the cause.

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
Is the XMB accessible in-game?

No.
 
I'd recommend setting up some additional PSN account for foreign markets. I've got a fair number set up, but the main foreign accounts I use are one for Japan and one based in the UK. This way you can go check out their stores and get any demos that may differ. For example, right now you can go download the GT5 Prologue demo from the Japanese PSN store.

Also, what's your PSN gamertag?
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
I think the PS3 will suit me fine going into the future, and hopefully Sony will eat a little humble pie and be more up front with their consumers. Microsoft has been, with the warranty extension, the Major Nelson website, and everything else they do to get involved in the community.

Sony does need to lose its arrogance. Now that Kutaragi is gone, it should help greatly, although some executives still make asinine remarks time to time.

I rarely visit here but that's Playstation's official blog, kind of Major Nelson one for Xbox.


 
Seems like we had some of the same initial complaints about the console. They aren't huge but it kind of just... sets you off a bit. Like Sony making their console seem so grandiose and it can't output in HD out of the box. It just seems so contra to their position that it makes you wonder... why?

Originally posted by: mugs
Yeah, the 360's interface is slow. What the hell is the deal with that?

I've never used it and said, "this is slow"... so I'm not too sure what everyone's talking about 😱. I also don't mind going through a couple menus to search for new items. Frankly, if the 360 listed everything that was new, it'd just be some huge disarray of tv shows, movies, demos, arcade titles, etc. All you do is go to Games > Demos > New Arrivals or something like that.

It's quite possible that the XMB is a bit faster too because one SPE is reserved for the PS3's OS at all times.

Originally posted by: Yreka
I'm not a fan of the XMB interface though. There is too much there, especially when you start browsiing media shares, or have a sizeable amount of demos downloaded. It feels really cluttered to me + I dont notice a difference in browsing speed at all.

That's what I think about it as well. I'm used to it on the PSP and I think it works pretty well on the PSP since it's limited to how much space you have (which most people have something around a 1GB memory stick.. maybe 2 or 4... sometimes only in the MB size range!) But the PS3 users probably have an average of a 60GB HDD and can fit plenty of media, games, etc on their drive.
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Upon opening the box, it's amazing how few items are in there. I'm still miffed that Sony hyped the HD capabilities of this machine, basically making you think that it's worthless to own without an HDTV, and then they do not include an HDMI or component cables. And what's with the short-as-hell, 6' USB cable? Due to my living room config, I had to sit on the far end of the couch on the very edge of it in order to use the controller. Luckily this shouldn't be an issue in the future as long as I keep it charged up (being able to charge from a regular computer is a huge plus). That's just a very minor gripe, though....I can deal with a short USB cable.

I'm glad that queued downloading was added via firmware a few months ago, but I already miss being able to turn off the console and have it continue to download like the 360 does. I would've left it on overnight, but it had already been on for 6 hours straight. The R&C demo only got to 55% downloaded in 3 hours time.....definitely slow like everyone says. I still have the GT-HD demo to download, which will likely take the rest of the weekend 😛.

The web browser is a nice touch, although I won't use it that much. The first page I went to was, obviously, the forums here 🙂. When I set the browser to display full screen, pixel for pixel, the text was so small, it was hard to read from 8' away (although it was still very legible if you have good eyes...I could barely make it out).

Yeah, it's lame they didn't include the cables. Thankfully, they're not THAT expensive, and an HDMI cable can be bought for less than $10 online.

At least you didn't have to pay $40 for some VGA cables *cough*360*cough* (I needed it though...can't complain).

I've never had a problem with the USB cable...the 360 charger isn't much longer, is it? I just keep my controllers charged and unplug them when I need to.

There is definitely some problems with download speeds on the PS Store lately. Some of my downloads will start downloading at 1 megabyte/sec, but it will eventually slow to a crawl. It was going really strong for a while, but lately it's been weak. However, games still run extremely smooth for me (almost lag-free), and that is what's important.

For the web browser, I you have the page fill up your screen (R3 I think?), you can use the L2/R2 buttons to zoom in an out. Mess around with it and you'll figure out what it can do. That should help you with the font size.

And if you're interested, my PSN ID is Hans030390. Pick up Warhawk, and maybe I'll see you online.
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
I've never had a problem with the USB cable...the 360 charger isn't much longer, is it?

The 360 play and charge kit cord is 10' long.

Most of my complaints are pretty minor, so that's a good thing. I feel like I was in a good position, not buying a PS3 until now. I got to hear all the fanboy chatter back and forth, to which I was able to make some unsubstantiated judgements about the console. Getting it now, it's better than I thought it would be. I just feel like Sony, and especially the diehard PS3 fans, have not helped the word-of-mouth, grassroots type of positive feedback on the console.

There were always three persistant gripes against the PS3: Sony PR BS, price, and games. The Sony PR BS has quieted considerably since the console sales have consistantly been in last. The price, for all intents and purposes, will be fixed on November 2nd (you can still argue lack of BC, but that will less of an issue moving forward). Now, they need the games, which 2008 is looking like a great year for the PS3. I guess we often forget that the 360 has a year headstart on the PS3, but to Microsoft's advantage, you can only compare the here and now.
 
Really Sony should make the XMB accessible in game if possible. It's not a really fair to compare speeds between the 2 because when I commented on a slow guide for the 360, I was only talking about the guide and not the actual Dashboard. The guide is obviously going to be slower because it has to be second priority to whatever else the system is doing.

 
Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
Really Sony should make the XMB accessible in game if possible. It's not a really fair to compare speeds between the 2 because when I commented on a slow guide for the 360, I was only talking about the guide and not the actual Dashboard. The guide is obviously going to be slower because it has to be second priority to whatever else the system is doing.

When I said the 360 "interface" is slow, I'm talking the whole thing, dashboard and the in-game blade. Maybe sluggish is a better word than slow.
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: hans030390
I've never had a problem with the USB cable...the 360 charger isn't much longer, is it?

The 360 play and charge kit cord is 10' long.

Heh, my bad. I don't actually own one, I've just used a friend's...once.

For, me, it doesn't matter. I have a 19" LCD monitor as my "tv" (it looks sooooo clear, BTW), and I sit about 3 feet away from it. Heh.

However, my other TV (the 50" HDTV that gives me headaches when I play on...grrr), is a good bit more than 10' away. I never play on it, though if I do, I have a charged controller.

Do you know how upsetting it is to not be able to play on such a great, big TV because of stupid headaches???
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
At least you didn't have to pay $40 for some VGA cables *cough*360*cough* (I needed it though...can't complain).

I don't see why you had to when you can buy Chinese knock-offs for much cheaper? Not to mention the 360 came with a well-rounded HD solution, albeit if someone uses an unorthodox viewing device (computer monitor with only VGA input (possibly DVI too but before the HDMI ones)).
 
hrmm Id like to point out that I just bought a holiday bundle, and it doesnt come with this play and charge kit, hell it doesnt come with any cable for my controller at all, just 2 AA energizer batteries.

edit: also a 15' usb cable from monoprice can be had for 5 bucks 🙂
 
Originally posted by: randay
hrmm Id like to point out that I just bought a holiday bundle, and it doesnt come with this play and charge kit, hell it doesnt come with any cable for my controller at all, just 2 AA energizer batteries.

edit: also a 15' usb cable from monoprice can be had for 5 bucks 🙂

Ya, the 360 system doesn't come with the play and charge (only the Halo 3 edition console comes with it).

But one thing I've noticed is that the PS3 controller doesn't turn itself off after a certain period of inactivity, the 360 does.

And I knew those USB cords could be had for cheap, that's why I said it wasn't that big of a deal 🙂. I saw one of those cables for sale at Gamestop yesterday...$10 for 10'.
 
the play and charge kit is 20 bucks 🙁 is there anywhere that sells it for really cheap? like 10 bucks? i cant bring myself to spend 20 bucks for batteries, i can get 2700mah sanyos for like 3 bucks a peice.

also my only minor gripe with the 360 so far is the dvd drive, its like a food processor, shakes my whole darn desk 🙁
 
Originally posted by: randay
the play and charge kit is 20 bucks 🙁 is there anywhere that sells it for really cheap? like 10 bucks? i cant bring myself to spend 20 bucks for batteries, i can get 2700mah sanyos for like 3 bucks a peice.

also my only minor gripe with the 360 so far is the dvd drive, its like a food processor, shakes my whole darn desk 🙁

You might be able to save a bit of money by buying used at Gamestop or something like that. But rechargeable AA's should work just fine in the controller, also.
 
Originally posted by: randay
the play and charge kit is 20 bucks 🙁 is there anywhere that sells it for really cheap? like 10 bucks? i cant bring myself to spend 20 bucks for batteries, i can get 2700mah sanyos for like 3 bucks a peice.

also my only minor gripe with the 360 so far is the dvd drive, its like a food processor, shakes my whole darn desk 🙁

I really didnt like the play and charge kits, they seemed very overpriced plus USB charging is pretty kludgey for controllers IMO.

I also tried the Nyko rechargeable packs and base ( complete crap).

IMO the rechargeable AA's are the best solution. If you live near a Costco, they are starting to carry Sanyo Eneloops. They have a kit that comes with 8 AA, 4 AAA, C & D cell adapters, and a recharger for $20. Seems like a pretty good deal, you get enough batteries for 4 controllers ( or 2 with backups) plus you have the AAA left over for remotes and what not.

Edit: Example of the costco pack
 
Originally posted by: Yreka
I really didnt like the play and charge kits, they seemed very overpriced plus USB charging is pretty kludgey for controllers IMO.

Microsoft likes to overcharge people for add-ons for their system rather than just include it with the system. Honestly, is it so hard for people to make controllers rechargeable right away? It seems like neither Nintendo or Microsoft really care that much.
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
Originally posted by: Yreka
I really didnt like the play and charge kits, they seemed very overpriced plus USB charging is pretty kludgey for controllers IMO.

Microsoft likes to overcharge people for add-ons for their system rather than just include it with the system. Honestly, is it so hard for people to make controllers rechargeable right away? It seems like neither Nintendo or Microsoft really care that much.

All major console manufacturers are guilty of this, it's just the way it is now. IMO, rechargeable capabilities is a luxury....they still include everything needed to play the system. Just like Sony not including some form of HD output cable....it's a luxury, you still have everything you need to use the system.

I guess in a couple of years, though, if my rechargeable battery dies on my 360 controller and my battery dies on my PS3 controller, I'll be much less concerned about spending $12 on a new 360 Microsoft-branded battery than spending $50 on a whole new PS3 controller.
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
I guess in a couple of years, though, if my rechargeable battery dies on my 360 controller and my battery dies on my PS3 controller, I'll be much less concerned about spending $12 on a new 360 Microsoft-branded battery than spending $50 on a whole new PS3 controller.

Don't you just return it to Sony or something like that?
 
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