My impressions of Ryzen R7-1800x

[krumme]

mine froze at 2933. Had to settle for 2667

Same here. But i hope new bios will have profiles to go to 2933.

 

[krumme]

because of bios instability though.

C6H has the most instable bios I ever seen. It froze everytime you touched manual vcore.

Yep its still a very inmature platform. Far from ready imo. Software bios what not. Buggy. Its crazy but fun dangerous and fast

 

[guskline]

Cinbench R15 for the 1800x at stock speed
CPU 1624cb
CPU(single-core) 158cb
MP Ratio 10.30x

 

[guskline]

CPU=Z scores:
http://valid.x86.fr/n0fkdu

 

[richierich1212]

CPU=Z scores:
http://valid.x86.fr/n0fkdu

DAMN 3.7Ghz @ 1.888v??? FAIL!!!!

 

[Burpo]

Holy crap! That can't be real.. 1.88 volts?
Better tone that board down..

 

[guskline]

Burpo: I saw that also. Everything is set stock and I think CPU-Z is not reading it correctly. Aida64 sensor beta is reading it at 1.417-1.430

 

[guskline]

Time Spy
Overall score 7543
Graphic score 7522
CPU score 7670

 

[guskline]

Firestrike
Overall 17858
Graphics 23507
Physics 18439
Combined 6267

 

[Burpo]

Cinebench R11.5?

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

1700 is much better, 1800x isnt worth the $170 increased in my opinion especially when 1700 can be clocked much higher.

 

[jihe]

2 year replacement warranty is ripoff. You should be covered under manufacturer warranty anyway.

 

[guskline]

jihe: $20 may be a ripoff to you but for 2 years I can drive down to MicroCenter and exchange out for a new board. Have you checked postage costs to Asus lately?

AMDisTheBest: For purely overclocking alone the 1700 is a better deal. I wanted all the bells and whistle without the hassle.

 

[Puffnstuff]

jihe: $20 may be a ripoff to you but for 2 years I can drive down to MicroCenter and exchange out for a new board. Have you checked postage costs to Asus lately?

AMDisTheBest: For purely overclocking alone the 1700 is a better deal. I wanted all the bells and whistle without the hassle.

Having the ability to swap it out like that is priceless when you need to get your system back up and running.

 

[PingSpike]

I got my ryzen 1800X stable on all cores @ 4.1 ghz with the C6H. Too bad it decided to bail and brick itself though.

How expensive is dual bios to implement? It seems like an excellent feature but only available on high end boards right? I'd certainly rather have dual bios than all those christmas lights and weird shrouds they stick on the high boards...in fact I don't want that stuff at all.

Also seems like it would really cut down on returns so it would be a savings for the manufacturer.

 

[Erazor51]

All gigabyte boards come with dual bios.

https://www.techpowerup.com/96967/dualbios-becomes-standard-feature-for-all-gigabyte-motherboards

 

[Greyguy1948]

I have enjoyed the various threads on Ryzen and thought I would give my impressions of Ryzen R7-1800x so far.

As you can see from my signature I'm running a 5960x@4.4Ghz with GTX1080 and a second machine with a 6700k@4.6Ghz and a GTX980TI SC. I previously had a 4790k but sold it in anticipation of an AMD Ryzen build.

I have 2 RX480 gpus to go along with the Ryzen cpu so I wanted an all AMD cpu/gpu build.

I decided going "whole hog" on a R7-1800x and an Asus Crosshair VI mb. I wanted to do custom water cooling and got a Thermaltake V51 case to house 2 360mm rads, an EK Supremacy Evo cpu block and an EK D5-140 pump/res combo. I ordered ahead a Corsair 480G NVMe M.2 2280 ssd, 16 g (2x8) of Gskill DDR4-3200 Trident Z ram. I also ordered a new Win 10-32/64 OS on a USB stick (glad I did since you can re-install).

Everything came in except the Asus C6H mb.

I pre-ordered it from Amazon and am waiting like the rest of you for it. Looks like the wait will be long.

Since all of my other parts were in last Friday 3-3, including the cpu, I got "antsy" realizing the wait could be long for the mb.
I decided to take a drive down to the St. David's MicroCenter (@1 hour 15 minutes one way) to see what they had if any X370 mbs. When I called they said a customer had returned a MSI Titanium X370 mb and they would knock $50 off the price. When I got there Saturday afternoon, I talked to a tech who obviously knew and worked with Ryzen, said he had been playing with it for a week. He said the returned MSI X370 Titanium mb had a bricked BIOS and was DEAD. He had no Asus C6H mbs in but warned the one he had earlier also bricked the BIOS.
I was disappointed but he showed me the Asus Prime B350 Plus mb. It did support Crossfire albeit at a lower rate and the sale price was @$100. It was a basic mb but supported M.2. and CrossFire technology with the 350 chipset. I had a $50 gift card and after buying a 2 year replacement warranty for $20, I spent out of pocket $$$ of @$66. Thought it was worth a try.

Well, when I got home later, after dinner I started on the mb. I tried my custom water block but could not get the system to boot (even have the new AM4 backplate from EK). I was honestly a little bummed but remembered I had a fairly new Corsair H110i GT AIO (280mm rad) and much to my delight, the AMD mounting bracket uses clips that attach to the two mb mounts. I decided to use my Fractal Define S case which was used for the 4790k build and I was starting to make progress. I mounted the M.2 2280 ssd, had never used one of those, installed the 2-8g ram chips, installed both Rx480s, my EVGA 850w psu and fired it up. It booted fine. I installed the Windows 10 USB stick and the install went well.

This "cheap" Asus mb was at least giving me a glance of Ryzen. Obviously, I flashed to the newest BIOS for that mb and all went well. I had installed Asus Suite and was able to OC to 3.8 on all cores but went back to stock. It runs at either 3.6 or 3.7 on all cores and actually 2 cores go to 4.1. All stock. I uninstalled the Asus Suite for now.

When I went into the BIOS Ram would not boot above 2133 on auto even though I had 3200 ram CL16. When I went into this BIOS, (much more limited than the high end mb BIOS), I was able to change the ram setting from "Auto" to "D.O.C.P." (whatever that means). When I did that and choose 2400 ram speed it automatically set all ram settings and it booted! Eventually I upped it to 2666 speed and again it booted. From all the horror stories I've read so far about bricked mbs I'm staying at 2666 for now. From 2133 to 2666 my Aida64 Memory read score (own a licensed version) jumped from @30,000 to @40,000.

Since I have the R7-1800x and since the mb is a lower end one I've decided not to OC the cpu until I receive the Asus Crosshair VI mb.

First the 1800x is pretty darn fast at stock. Aida64 CPU Queen benchmark is @82,300. Cinebench R15 is 1607 to 1630. varied each run slightly.

Second, from all I read the 1800x has very little OCing headroom and you lose the XTR feature if you overclock.

Gaming? I play COD BO III, BF1 and Il2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Moscow. Compared to the other 2 machines the game play is comparable. I prefer single gpus and hopefully a high end Vega may be in the cards later in the year.

If you own a 7700k or even a 6700k it's not worth moving to Ryzen unless you really need more cores and gaming isn't as important.

If you own an X99 mb and a 5930 or 5960x or above, probably not worth it.

I wanted a 3rd All AMD machine that trades blows with my 5960x/GTX 1080 or 6700k/GTX 980TI.

This Ryzen R7 1800x/2 RX480s in CF can stand toe to toe and be competitive.

Sorry for the long story but thought it might help "enlighten" some readers. I have a number of benchmark tools and would be glad to run them with this AMD rig. Just post requests in this thread or PM me.

Very interesting!
We have some CF here and I guess they use Intel:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/16.html
Can you run some of them?

 

[JimmiG]

How expensive is dual bios to implement? It seems like an excellent feature but only available on high end boards right? I'd certainly rather have dual bios than all those christmas lights and weird shrouds they stick on the high boards...in fact I don't want that stuff at all.

Also seems like it would really cut down on returns so it would be a savings for the manufacturer.

The C6H is pretty much the most expensive AM4 board right now. Also it has something Asus likes to call "CrashFree BIOS"

 

[TemjinGold]

The C6H is pretty much the most expensive AM4 board right now. Also it has something Asus likes to call "CrashFree BIOS"

Actually the MSI XPower costs more.

 

[roybotnik]

Thanks for the unbiased review. As someone that has a decent Intel system myself (i7-4790k@4.4) who had no real reason to get one, I'm pleased with the 1800x as well.

The current reviews and responses to them can be quite frustrating to read. This is a good CPU. It's not perfect, but nobody will regret buying one. Top end game performance might be a little bit off from Intel's offerings, but I think that game performance with Ryzen will be 'reliable' and less likely to be influenced by other processes and such thanks to the extra cores. It makes me very excited to see what Zen 2 will bring.

The lack of overclocking headroom is a disappointment. I'm running at 4.0ghz stable without issues, but even if only 4 cores active, it simply won't go any higher. I am unable to run the dual-rank 32GB DDR4 3200 TridentZ memory I got at anything higher than 2666 as well, so it will probably go back or be used for another system. I hope that process improvements will make a difference in Zen 2. Improved memory latency and additional OC headroom would really tighten everything up.

I really hope they release mobile parts with 8 cores using the Zen architecture as soon as possible. As a software engineer, an i7 rMBP is pretty much standard issue these days at any employer. Having 4 more physical cores would be so amazing, regardless of whether it's on a Linux/Windows laptop or a Mac (just a pipe dream but who knows, Apple is struggling to add value to their laptops). AMD's decision to wait until later in the year to get to mobile is a little odd to me, since the desktop PC market is pretty much dominated by gaming PC sales, and Ryzen would be so much more useful in a laptop for power users. I suppose they are still working on necessary process improvements to hit to power targets for mobile while adding a GPU.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I keep banging on about this, but i think you guys need to appreciate that not everyone feels comfortable overclocking cpu's themselves. In fact, we're the minority by a big margin. The x class cpus are just factory overclocks aimed at these people, whereas imo the 1700 is for those that want to do it themselves (and save some money). Kinda like the 4790k which is also a poor overclocker....because it's already overclocked.

 

[guskline]

Greyguy1948 I'll have to download TombRaider and run the benchies tonight. roybotkin, Thanks for the kind words.
I ran PCMark8 this morning before work and came home for lunch.
Here is the Home Accelerated 3.0 score 4154
The breakdown is as follows:
Web Browsing Jungle Pin 0.318s
Web Browsing Amazonia 0.136s
Writing 3.92s
Photo editing v2 0.256s
Video Chat v2 / Video Chat Playback 1 v2 30 fps
Video Chat v2 / Video Chat encoding v2 33.0 ms
Casual Gaming 78 fps

Since I own the PCMark8 suite I'll be glad to run other benchmarks.
Back to work. Lunch break over.

 

[Glo.]

Do you have Heroes of the Storm or Overwatch, to check?

 

[guskline]

Sorry, Glo I do not have either Heroes of the Storm or Overwatch.

 

[William Gaatjes]

How expensive is dual bios to implement? It seems like an excellent feature but only available on high end boards right? I'd certainly rather have dual bios than all those christmas lights and weird shrouds they stick on the high boards...in fact I don't want that stuff at all.

Also seems like it would really cut down on returns so it would be a savings for the manufacturer.

Most of the Gigabyte motherboards have dual bios as standard. Even the cheaper models.
Mine board (socket FM2) was less than 60 euro.