My idea to cut down drug problems

[HAL9000]

I know, but his idea wouldn't work. getting it legal would be hard enough without having to persuade people to pay for it too.

It's only theory, but I would say the money saved by not having to deal with the criminal drug world. I.e. Import dealing etc, would help towards paying for it.

 

[ShawnD1]

Interesting proposition. You should interview the families of those who have had loved ones with drug addiction issues.

lol. You mean LOSERS who don't know how to budget properly? You'd be surprised how many people get completely fucked up on coke or E every weekend then go to work on monday like nothing happened. Half the guys in electrical engineering were on Adderall (amphetamine).

Purchased any booze from a bootlegger recently?

I did back when I was 15 or so, but that was only because I wasn't allowed to.... Oh i see what you did there :awe:

It's only theory, but I would say the money saved by not having to deal with the criminal drug world. I.e. Import dealing etc, would help towards paying for it.

Just like the current situation with smokers being such jokers. Studies in the UK shows that the ass raping smokers pay in cigarette taxes make up for the huge cost of their health issues. With the appropriate level of taxation, you can break even on any project you want.

 

[alkemyst]

lol. You mean LOSERS who don't know how to budget properly? You'd be surprised how many people get completely fucked up on coke or E every weekend then go to work on monday like nothing happened. Half the guys in electrical engineering were on Adderall (amphetamine).

sadly, many know the deal...not all come forward and say "y0 dawg, mike in accounting is on the blow man...I did my 12 steps. Still straight!"


your last part of this post is funny because most don't realize they increased the cost of cigarettes just prior to pushing ObamaCare out. They really hope most don't quit.

 

[ShawnD1]

sadly, many know the deal...not all come forward and say "y0 dawg, mike in accounting is on the blow man...I did my 12 steps. Still straight!"

It's like that with any dark secret. Ask each of your relatives if they buy porn. Not like brothers and sisters, but relatives you don't know very well. I bet 100% of them say no. Well then who is buying all of this porn? It's a billion dollar industry, and there are sex stores all across the city. Who is buying this stuff? The answer is that they are all around you and you just don't know it. That dorky secretary at your work - she owns a whip and hand cuffs. Your cool coworker who always talks to you about stuff - he takes MDMA on the weekends then has threeways with his girlfriend and her friend. That guy who runs your church - he takes meth and has gay sex with male prostitutes.

 

[alkemyst]

Someone on porn is not going to work the next day and bragging how he did so well driving that forklift, but because "THAT SEETHING BITCH PAM IN AR/AP JUMPED OUT IN FRONT OF ME FIVE MINUTES EARLIER I CRASHED INTO THE SHELVING!@!@!!"

"MY LAWYERS ARE GOING TO WIN THIS! YOU BITCHES! 4204LIFE!"

We had a dude at my gym that bragged how he'd always smoke weed (FUCK I AM HIGH NOW!). Dude thought he was straight. He was sloppy in the gym, fortunately never hurt anyone. He was sloppy at work. He'd always have some story how he was blamed for something, but it wasn't true...he'd add in he was always failing random drug tests because of things he ate or places "he had to go". In the end he was finally fired.

Sadly I think you believe everyone is a drug user because you are one.

 

[ShawnD1]

Sadly I think you believe everyone is a drug user because you are one.

Well then who exactly do you think is buying it?

Alright so the unemployment rate is 10%. Clearly people with steady jobs like Bill O'Reilly aren't fucked up all the time, so it must be those 10%. Yes those 10% of people with NO INCOME are the ones giving tens of billions of dollars to drug cartels. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? But no I'm sure you're right, it's all those unemployed people buying expensive drugs. Guys with steady jobs like Sigmund Freud and Bill O'Reilly would never get high. Never.

 

[alkemyst]

Well then who exactly do you think is buying it?

Alright so the unemployment rate is 10%. Clearly people with steady jobs like Bill O'Reilly aren't fucked up all the time, so it must be those 10%. Yes those 10% of people with NO INCOME are the ones giving tens of billions of dollars to drug cartels. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? But no I'm sure you're right, it's all those unemployed people buying expensive drugs. Guys with steady jobs like Sigmund Freud and Bill O'Reilly would never get high. Never.

lolwut? Are you stoned now?

No one [not high all the time] ever says drugs aren't used. Personally if someone is making a great living and knows how to moderate their 'personal' life I am all for whatever they do.

No one [not high all the time] ever believes those with NO INCOME yet that $40,000 300M or Hummer in the driveway is really NO INCOME. Yes, Uncle Sam believes it...but local PD and their neighbors are not buying it.

Wait, Sigmund Freud is still alive?

 

[ShawnD1]

Wait, Sigmund Freud is still alive?

Nope, but he was addicted to cocaine when he was alive and he wrote really weird love letters while high.

 

[alkemyst]

Nope, but he was addicted to cocaine when he was alive and he wrote really weird love letters while high.

I somehow doubt you are a coke user, but you do realize it's also well known that Freud stopped pretty much cold turkey at some point [reason is debated] and stopped using it ever?

Also if you are going to post historical accounts of drug use being 'trendly', you may want to follow that whole tobacco nonsense out there. People are saying it fucking causes cancer. They have to be idiots too, amiright?

 

[ShawnD1]

I somehow doubt you are a coke user, but you do realize it's also well known that Freud stopped pretty much cold turkey at some point [reason is debated] and stopped using it ever?

So you're arguing that cocaine was just a casual thing and he could stop it whenever he wanted....


What's interesting is that a lot of studies have confirmed just how wide spread drug use is
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html

Researchers found that 42% of people surveyed in the U.S. had tried marijuana at least once, and 16% had tried cocaine

Well that's interesting. 16% of Americans have done cocaine and were willing to admit it while 42% have tried marijuana and would admit it. That's some small minority right there I tell ya. It's almost like drugs are an unstoppable billion dollar industry because .... (wait for it)... half the country is a bunch of pot smoking hippies. It would explain how Obama managed to get 53% of the popular vote in the election. 53% of the country is so high that they would actually vote for a muslim terrorist.

 

[alkemyst]

wow...you really researched this out...

let me guess at 4:20 you declared victory.

 

[ShawnD1]

wow...you really researched this out...

let me guess at 4:20 you declared victory.

Nah, I left the Neo Nazis after the mods warned me about posting racist stuff. 420 was sort of like a secret handshake between the Neo Nazis and the KKK members that draws as little attention as possible. Similar to how Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas, Neo Nazis celebrate the birth of Adolf Hitler on April 20. The month and day together makes 4/20.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/born.htm

Anyone who knows anything about chemistry would say that an efficient delivery of marijuana would be to do a chemical extraction then vaporize it similar to how a nicotine inhaler works. So then the obvious question is why would we waste perfectly good marijuana by burning half of its active components? Simple. The smoke is to commemorate the incinerators at Auschwitz then we say 420 to acknowledge who made that happen. Now you know the dark truth behind marijuana smoking and 420

 

[alkemyst]

Nah, I left the Neo Nazis after the mods warned me about posting racist stuff. 420 was sort of like a secret handshake between the Neo Nazis and the KKK members that draws as little attention as possible. Similar to how Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas, Neo Nazis celebrate the birth of Adolf Hitler on April 20. The month and day together makes 4/20.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/born.htm

Anyone who knows anything about chemistry would say that an efficient delivery of marijuana would be to do a chemical extraction then vaporize it similar to how a nicotine inhaler works. So then the obvious question is why would we waste perfectly good marijuana by burning half of its active components? Simple. The smoke is to commemorate the incinerators at Auschwitz then we say 420 to acknowledge who made that happen. Now you know the dark truth behind marijuana smoking and 420

now you are just trolling.

 

[HAL9000]

So you're arguing that cocaine was just a casual thing and he could stop it whenever he wanted....


What's interesting is that a lot of studies have confirmed just how wide spread drug use is
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html


Well that's interesting. 16% of Americans have done cocaine and were willing to admit it while 42% have tried marijuana and would admit it. That's some small minority right there I tell ya. It's almost like drugs are an unstoppable billion dollar industry because .... (wait for it)... half the country is a bunch of pot smoking hippies. It would explain how Obama managed to get 53% of the popular vote in the election. 53% of the country is so high that they would actually vote for a muslim terrorist.

Obama != Muslim terrorist...

Jesus....

 

[maluckey]

Purchased any booze from a bootlegger recently?



The entire concept of illegally smuggling something into a country raises the cost considerably. It also comes with a pretty hefty risk and when you are competing with the same product which is legally available it usually isn't worth it. Meth labs didn't get their sudafed from Mexico until they couldn't legally purchase it here.



Ok, so you still get to throw them in jail for other stuff while saving a fuckload of money AND making a fuckload of money off of ending the war on drugs and regulating/taxing them. Whats the problem?

OK, since you're not entirely in fantasy-land....I agree that war on drugs is costly, but I also feel that drug dealers and Biker gangs won't suddenly change to going to church on Sundays and singing in the choir. Criminals will find a way to make a buck, so they shift to another activity...instead of drugs, so the war continues unless you want to make EVERYTHING legal. Criminals and drug dealers are not going to just roll over.

Liquor isn't free, and....yes, I go to a neighboring state to save almost 9 percent. Free is the key word. IF you could convince soceity to pay for all food and drugs, then this Utopian, legalized drug soceity could concieveably exist. Of course NO government can afford that. I'm a realist and tend to not waste much time dreaming of what can never be.

ML

 

[xj0hnx]

It's only theory, but I would say the money saved by not having to deal with the criminal drug world. I.e. Import dealing etc, would help towards paying for it.

I know it's just a theory, and it would solve a lot of problems if it happened, but in reality no one, not the foreign producers, nor legit manufacturers are going to just start giving their drugs away.

 

[K1052]

OK, since you're not entirely in fantasy-land....I agree that war on drugs is costly, but I also feel that drug dealers and Biker gangs won't suddenly change to going to church on Sundays and singing in the choir. Criminals will find a way to make a buck, so they shift to another activity...instead of drugs, so the war continues unless you want to make EVERYTHING legal. Criminals and drug dealers are not going to just roll over.

Liquor isn't free, and....yes, I go to a neighboring state to save almost 9 percent. Free is the key word. IF you could convince soceity to pay for all food and drugs, then this Utopian, legalized drug soceity could concieveably exist. Of course NO government can afford that. I'm a realist and tend to not waste much time dreaming of what can never be.

ML

Most of the main sources of illicit income should be legalized and highly regulated by the government. Gambling, drugs, prostitution, etc.

The financial windfall (and consequent tax income) from getting these revenue streams onto the books would be Enormous. Not to mention the hundreds of billions we'd save in courts/prisons/law enforcement.

Obviously this shouldn't all happen at once. A phased legalization should take place over a number of years but criminal penalties for possession should be the first things to see drastic reductions along with total legalization of marijuana since it's actually much less harmful than alcohol and a huge cash source for crime.

 

[fskimospy]

OK, since you're not entirely in fantasy-land....I agree that war on drugs is costly, but I also feel that drug dealers and Biker gangs won't suddenly change to going to church on Sundays and singing in the choir. Criminals will find a way to make a buck, so they shift to another activity...instead of drugs, so the war continues unless you want to make EVERYTHING legal. Criminals and drug dealers are not going to just roll over.

Liquor isn't free, and....yes, I go to a neighboring state to save almost 9 percent. Free is the key word. IF you could convince soceity to pay for all food and drugs, then this Utopian, legalized drug soceity could concieveably exist. Of course NO government can afford that. I'm a realist and tend to not waste much time dreaming of what can never be.

ML

The power of organized crime, etc vastly decreased after alcohol was made illegal and destroyed a primary revenue stream for them, they've never recovered to the same level. Legalizing drugs/alcohol works.

 

[Darwin333]

OK, since you're not entirely in fantasy-land....I agree that war on drugs is costly, but I also feel that drug dealers and Biker gangs won't suddenly change to going to church on Sundays and singing in the choir. Criminals will find a way to make a buck, so they shift to another activity...instead of drugs, so the war continues unless you want to make EVERYTHING legal. Criminals and drug dealers are not going to just roll over.

My grandpa tells me stories that his father told him about the bootleggers from rural Missouri back in the day. Wanna know what the crime rate currently is in rural Missouri?

You are focusing on the wrong thing here. Yes, there will be criminals but how about this novel idea: Lets at least try to not create a trillion dollar a year criminal industry for them to profit off of? When there is a HUGE financial interest to be a criminal and to be the biggest baddest criminal around, guess what tends to happen? Removing the financial interests won't remove all of the crime but it will remove a lot of it. Only a relatively small amount of criminals are criminals because they just feel like being low life criminal assholes. Most of them have a much better reason, money lots and lots of money. Remove that from the equation and what is the draw for a young teenager to enter the criminal world in the first place?

Liquor isn't free, and....yes, I go to a neighboring state to save almost 9 percent. Free is the key word. IF you could convince soceity to pay for all food and drugs, then this Utopian, legalized drug soceity could concieveably exist. Of course NO government can afford that. I'm a realist and tend to not waste much time dreaming of what can never be.

ML

I don't advocate FREE drugs just legalized drugs. Tax the shit out of em, much like cigarettes and booze, regulate them and let the dopers have at it. Even if the prices are equal to what the dopeman is selling it for why in the hell would you buy it from someone that might rip you off, sell you weak stuff, or shoot you when you can go to walgreens? Just like with the bootleggers, most people prefer to deal with legitimate businesses versus thugs and criminals if given the choice.

Drug TREATMENT on the other hand should be absolutely free and readily available. Use the profits from the drugs to pay for it and pocket the savings from no longer fighting the drug war.

As an added benefit we will no longer be turning casual users who are generally good tax paying members of society into criminals who eat up our tax dollars in Criminal University. Then when they get out have an extremely difficult time returning to their previous "good tax paying member of society" status. That is just plain retarded.

One of the biggest reasons this won't happen is because the police really really like the ability to take your stuff and keep it for themselves. The "drug war" is by far the largest source of that stuff.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Obama != Muslim terrorist...

Jesus....

Here, try some sarcasm.

 

[Zorkorist]

The power of organized crime, etc vastly decreased after alcohol was made illegal and destroyed a primary revenue stream for them, they've never recovered to the same level. Legalizing drugs/alcohol works.

It'll cripple the Government too, which is a good thing.

-John

Edit: I think you mean Legal, in your post, not Illegal.

 

[maluckey]

My grandpa tells me stories that his father told him about the bootleggers from rural Missouri back in the day. Wanna know what the crime rate currently is in rural Missouri?

You are focusing on the wrong thing here. Yes, there will be criminals but how about this novel idea: Lets at least try to not create a trillion dollar a year criminal industry for them to profit off of? When there is a HUGE financial interest to be a criminal and to be the biggest baddest criminal around, guess what tends to happen? Removing the financial interests won't remove all of the crime but it will remove a lot of it. Only a relatively small amount of criminals are criminals because they just feel like being low life criminal assholes. Most of them have a much better reason, money lots and lots of money. Remove that from the equation and what is the draw for a young teenager to enter the criminal world in the first place?

1. You just shot the whole idea back into fantasy land. You used the word PROFITS from drugs. Cigarrette users can stop cold turkey. Even Alcoholics can stop cold turkey. Ever see a Heroin addict stop cold turkey? How about a Crackhead? Nuff said on that. Profits will soar on some drugs. You even admit that criminals will be around. My guess is that only the low level guys go away...and they're not the biggest problem.

I don't advocate FREE drugs just legalized drugs. Tax the shit out of em, much like cigarettes and booze, regulate them and let the dopers have at it. Even if the prices are equal to what the dopeman is selling it for why in the hell would you buy it from someone that might rip you off, sell you weak stuff, or shoot you when you can go to walgreens? Just like with the bootleggers, most people prefer to deal with legitimate businesses versus thugs and criminals if given the choice.

2. Once again, alcoholics aren't a captive market. Sex slavery for free drugs anyone? Free or bust for this legalized fantasy to work.

Drug TREATMENT on the other hand should be absolutely free and readily available. Use the profits from the drugs to pay for it and pocket the savings from no longer fighting the drug war.

3. Great! But I won't pay for their treatment, nor will I vote for anyone that does, and many feel the same way. Profits? Where there's a way to get it cheaper (smuggled from Mexico) it will happen. Cigarette smuggling is HUGE $$$, and cigarrettes are legal. Free or bust in this fantasy still

As an added benefit we will no longer be turning casual users who are generally good tax paying members of society into criminals who eat up our tax dollars in Criminal University. Then when they get out have an extremely difficult time returning to their previous "good tax paying member of society" status. That is just plain retarded.

4. Casual users get misdemeanors and probation under the current system, not jail. I used to arrest them for simple posession. They normally got community service and a fine. I never saw one get time. Addicts have deeper issues, and aren't "casual users" now are they?

One of the biggest reasons this won't happen is because the police really really like the ability to take your stuff and keep it for themselves. The "drug war" is by far the largest source of that stuff.

5. I shouldn't justify this, but I will. your answer is BS, pure and simple. You know it too.

ML

 

[zsdersw]

4. Casual users get misdemeanors and probation under the current system, not jail. I used to arrest them for simple posession. They normally got community service and a fine. I never saw one get time. Addicts have deeper issues, and aren't "casual users" now are they?

Why should they get any sort of punishment at all?

 

[zsdersw]

We need to stop looking at these and other issues from the perspective that freedom is not inherent and that granting it must be justified. On the contrary, freedom and liberty are inherent.. and the burden of providing justification is on those who seek to reduce or limit it.

 

[SilentRunning]

Make drugs freely available on the NHS, requiring a prescription. This way no drug dealers, no murdering and gangs, why pay when you can get them free legally? And on a side not everyone would get the medical care they need, for free when they have problems plus regular check ups.

Thoughts?

Sounds like a well thought out plan. I am assuming that you are volunteering to be the one to pay for producing, distributing, and dispensing said "free" drugs to everyone who wants them.