My idea to cut down drug problems

[HAL9000]

Yeah, just the other day I smoked a bowl and said to myself, "why do you hurt yourself like this?"

You smoked a bowl?! How much drugs have you had?

 

[bfdd]

I am so fucking high right now.

 

[HAL9000]

I am so fucking high right now.

Well under my system that would be free and legal.

 

[Zorkorist]

The illegality of certain drugs is an issue of what is and is not culturally acceptable. From any rational and logical line of thinking there is no good reason to ban drug use, so the only way to explain it is to look at it through the lens of cultural norms.

This is quite true.

And a very deep philosophical stance, IMHO.

Where does society stop? Where do people stop?

Is everything OK?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

In George Orwell's world, drugs will be reduced to one, "Soma."

Is that OK?

-John

 

[HAL9000]

This is quite true.

And a very deep philosophical stance, IMHO.

Where does society stop? Where do people stop?

Is everything OK?

-John

In George Orwell's world, drugs will be reduced to one, "Soma."

Is that OK?

-John

Both of these are OK...

 

[Zorkorist]

The one leads to the other.

If all drugs are OK, then Government will come up with the ultimate drug.

-John

 

[maluckey]

Reading this drivel yet again....

Crime and drugs aren't cause and effect. Crime is, and always will exist. Addiction will exist as long as there are substances that are addictive. Addicts will also kill themselves at about the same rate.

Legalize drugs and criminals won't get a corporate job. They'll find another criminal enterprise. You are all fucking morons, if in your sunshine and lollipop world that you think otherwise. Grow up, find some intelligence and move on. Crime didn't stop when Rum-running became non-profit, and it won't stop for legal drugs.

ML

 

[zsdersw]

Where does society stop? Where do people stop?

Is everything OK?

-John

Society should only regulate activity for which the greatest harm is thwarted at the least cost to personal liberty. This means that people should be free to use whatever recreational substances they want, but any consequences that negatively impact the life/liberty of others should carry severe penalties.

Where do people stop? That's a personal choice; and nothing should absolve us from the consequences for the choices we make.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Reading this drivel yet again....

Crime and drugs aren't cause and effect. Crime is, and always will exist. Addiction will exist as long as there are substances that are addictive. Addicts will also kill themselves at about the same rate.

Legalize drugs and criminals won't get a corporate job. They'll find another criminal enterprise. You are all fucking morons, if in your sunshine and lollipop world that you think otherwise. Grow up, find some intelligence and move on. Crime didn't stop when Rum-running became non-profit, and it won't stop for legal drugs.

ML

I don't think anybody is claiming "crime" will stop if we legalize drugs.

People reasonably believe that much crime related to illegal drug trafficing will stop or greatly decline if prohibition ends, stopping the need to go to an underground market for drugs. "Crime" didn't stop when alcohol prohibition ended, but there was a dramatic decrease in crime, especially homicides, and much violence directly associated to the illegal trade disappeared. Did the criminals cease to exist? No, but they were forced to think about other crimes, and it removed the easy money they made from alcohol, making it tougher to bribe people, fund crime, etc.

There is significantly more harm done to society by prohibition related activities than drugs cause themselves. And that's a fact.

 

[dank69]

Scary how people think legalizing drugs would be a good idea. Can you imagine the chaos? People driving while on smack? Operating heavy machinery after snorting a line? Taking care of someones medical needs after shooting up? Yeah, thats' brilliant..... I'm almost tempted to say that they should try it in an american city so the rest of us can see how bad of an idea that would be.....

The problem with drugs (especially the harder ones) is we are not harsh ENOUGH on them. My idea (and I'm 90% serious) is to place undercover 50 cals around major cities or other places that have a bad drug problem. When a drug deal is going down and its confirmed - open up on all involved. Then leave the pile of goo there with a sign that reads "Drug dealer and buyer here. Get the point?" I guarantee the drug problem would disappear.

Automatic death penalty for drug dealing. Period.

You make baby Jesus cry.

 

[Greenman]

Reading this drivel yet again....

Crime and drugs aren't cause and effect. Crime is, and always will exist. Addiction will exist as long as there are substances that are addictive. Addicts will also kill themselves at about the same rate.

Legalize drugs and criminals won't get a corporate job. They'll find another criminal enterprise. You are all fucking morons, if in your sunshine and lollipop world that you think otherwise. Grow up, find some intelligence and move on. Crime didn't stop when Rum-running became non-profit, and it won't stop for legal drugs.

ML

I believe the point is that there would be no more crimes such as use or possession. Those two cover a whole lot of people in jail right now.

 

[HAL9000]

I believe the point is that there would be no more crimes such as use or possession. Those two cover a whole lot of people in jail right now.

And distribution, import/ export would all go away. Also the crimes people commit to fund their habit.

 

[maluckey]

And distribution, import/ export would all go away. Also the crimes people commit to fund their habit.

NOT! Pharmaceutical companies make BIG $$$ off of LEGAL drugs all the time. The same will be true for legal Heroin. Black market Heroin will come in from cheaper sources and the war is back on.

I believe the point is that there would be no more crimes such as use or possession. Those two cover a whole lot of people in jail right now.

Not so, addicts will still crave cheaper prices for their addiction fix. Some drugs are more addictive than others. People will still do ANYTHING for their fix. Smuggling from a cheaper country will still be going on.

Finally.....Get real everyone. Jails aren't full of innocent, responsible drug users. That type gets probation and a fine. Jails are full of irresponsible dirtbags who only give a shit about themselves. It doesn't matter if you make drugs legal, that type will eventually be in the clink anyways, because their moral compass is incompatible with that of soceity. If not for drugs it's for speeding, shoplifting, drinking and driving, tresspassing or a vareity of other activities.

ML

 

[zsdersw]

Finally.....Get real everyone. Jails aren't full of innocent, responsible drug users. That type gets probation and a fine. Jails are full of irresponsible dirtbags who only give a shit about themselves. It doesn't matter if you make drugs legal, that type will eventually be in the clink anyways, because their moral compass is incompatible with that of soceity. If not for drugs it's for speeding, shoplifting, drinking and driving, tresspassing or a vareity of other activities.

ML

.. which is why it doesn't make sense for drugs to be illegal. We should always approach things from the perspective that we have freedom and must try to justify reducing it, rather than the perspective that we don't have freedom and must try to justify having it.

"Innocent, responsible drug users" shouldn't get a fine or probation, either.

 

[maluckey]

.. which is why it doesn't make sense for drugs to be illegal. We should always approach things from the perspective that we have freedom and must try to justify reducing it, rather than the perspective that we don't have freedom and must try to justify having it.

"Innocent, responsible drug users" shouldn't get a fine or probation, either.

In fact we should concentrate on eliminating dirtbags that feel that laws governing them don't apply because it conflicts with their self-centered universe. Once that's accomplised, war and stife, as well as profiteering from someones addiction will go away, much like Faeries and Unicorns.

ML

 

[zsdersw]

In fact we should concentrate on eliminating dirtbags that feel that laws governing them don't apply because it conflicts with their self-centered universe.

By doing what?

Once that's accomplised, war and stife, as well as profiteering from someones addiction will go away, much like Faeries and Unicorns.

ML

Utopia is never going to exist.

 

[HAL9000]

NOT! Pharmaceutical companies make BIG $$$ off of LEGAL drugs all the time. The same will be true for legal Heroin. Black market Heroin will come in from cheaper sources and the war is back on.
ML

Why?! If heroin is free legally who would pay for it?!

Not so, addicts will still crave cheaper prices for their addiction fix. Some drugs are more addictive than others. People will still do ANYTHING for their fix. Smuggling from a cheaper country will still be going on.

Finally.....Get real everyone. Jails aren't full of innocent, responsible drug users. That type gets probation and a fine. Jails are full of irresponsible dirtbags who only give a shit about themselves. It doesn't matter if you make drugs legal, that type will eventually be in the clink anyways, because their moral compass is incompatible with that of soceity. If not for drugs it's for speeding, shoplifting, drinking and driving, tresspassing or a vareity of other activities.

ML

You keep saying "cheaper" sources and a "cheaper" country, what's cheaper than free?!

 

[lord_emperor]

I don't think my doctor would prescribe crack... Hippocratic oath and all that.

 

[xj0hnx]

In fact we should concentrate on eliminating dirtbags that feel that laws governing them don't apply because it conflicts with their self-centered universe. Once that's accomplised, war and stife, as well as profiteering from someones addiction will go away, much like Faeries and Unicorns.

ML

Funny you deciding what other free people should be able to do, and having the gall to call them self centered. You are ridiculous.

The problem with your little "dirtbag" free fantasy world is that it will never happen. You need to just accept that people will continue to use drugs, and look for the best possible solution to the problems it creates.

If drugs were produced legally the prices would drop insanely. Even selling at a large profit they would be cheaper than they are now. Legal drugs are leaps and bounds cheaper now than their illegal counterparts IF you are the one with the prescription. If heroin addicts could turn their two hundred dollar a day habit into a two hundred dollar a week, or month habit they wouldn't have to hustle, rob, and steal to support their habits.

 

[Ns1]

Why?! If heroin is free legally who would pay for it?!

the ones that can't get a prescription for it

 

[xj0hnx]

the ones that can't get a prescription for it

If they were legalized ideally it would be an over the counter situation. To say you'd need a script for heroin or cocaine would be kind of defeating the point as right now you can legally get scripts for drugs that are just as powerful, granted you need a really good reason to have it. One problem I see is that people that are in pain management would no longer need to see their doctors, which makes me wonder how they would handle drugs like that, that are available now with prescriptions. Would you just be able to buy Oxycontin over the counter? Would people still buy it if they could get pharmaceutical smack? weird.

 

[Ns1]

If they were legalized ideally it would be an over the counter situation. To say you'd need a script for heroin or cocaine would be kind of defeating the point as right now you can legally get scripts for drugs that are just as powerful, granted you need a really good reason to have it. One problem I see is that people that are in pain management would no longer need to see their doctors, which makes me wonder how they would handle drugs like that, that are available now with prescriptions. Would you just be able to buy Oxycontin over the counter? Would people still buy it if they could get pharmaceutical smack? weird.

OP said specifically "free with prescription"

 

[xj0hnx]

OP said specifically "free with prescription"

I know, but his idea wouldn't work. getting it legal would be hard enough without having to persuade people to pay for it too.

 

[Darwin333]

NOT! Pharmaceutical companies make BIG $$$ off of LEGAL drugs all the time. The same will be true for legal Heroin. Black market Heroin will come in from cheaper sources and the war is back on.

Purchased any booze from a bootlegger recently?

Not so, addicts will still crave cheaper prices for their addiction fix. Some drugs are more addictive than others. People will still do ANYTHING for their fix. Smuggling from a cheaper country will still be going on.

The entire concept of illegally smuggling something into a country raises the cost considerably. It also comes with a pretty hefty risk and when you are competing with the same product which is legally available it usually isn't worth it. Meth labs didn't get their sudafed from Mexico until they couldn't legally purchase it here.

Finally.....Get real everyone. Jails aren't full of innocent, responsible drug users. That type gets probation and a fine. Jails are full of irresponsible dirtbags who only give a shit about themselves. It doesn't matter if you make drugs legal, that type will eventually be in the clink anyways, because their moral compass is incompatible with that of soceity. If not for drugs it's for speeding, shoplifting, drinking and driving, tresspassing or a vareity of other activities.

ML

Ok, so you still get to throw them in jail for other stuff while saving a fuckload of money AND making a fuckload of money off of ending the war on drugs and regulating/taxing them. Whats the problem?