My Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 replacement (upgrade) odyssey

Which would be your choice of tablet?

  • Apple iPad Mini

  • Galaxy Note 8.0

  • Galaxy Tab 3 7.0

  • Galaxy Tab 3 8.0

  • Google Nexus 7 (2013)

  • Other (please specify in post).


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Nec_V20

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Before I start, don't get me wrong, I am quite happy with my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 and it does everything I want of it. I am not a gamer and I pretty much use the thing for my on the go needs such as Skype, reading, browsing and watching/listening movies/music.

Another thing, if you don't like long posts then just don't bother reading this. Writing tl;dr is not cool, it's just ignorant.

I was not at all tempted by the Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 because, for what I do it gives me NOTHING extra. How little am I tempted? Put it this way if I were to be offered a trade-in for my present Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 and I would get the new one for an extra $20 it would still not be worth it to me (for $10 it might be).

So for any of you out there looking for a solid little tablet you will probably find a good deal on the Tab 2 7.0 and I would advise this over a more expensive Tab 3 7.0

This having been said, the new Google Nexus 7 (2013 edition) just blows the socks off my Galaxy Tab 2(3) 7.0 in every single way - except one. The one exception is that the Google Nexus still does not have an SD slot.

With regard to my choice between the original Google Nexus 7 (2012) and the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 this was a deal breaker and I was willing to take the lower resolution screen into account because of it.

So I pretty much decided my tablet had to go, and the Google Nexus 7 (2013) was going to be my choice.

HOWEVER

Of course I look around to see where I can get the best deal and the Nexus 7 is pretty pricey (although compared to the Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 the price is certainly worth it).

Being on the lookout I checked around at what else I could get in the price slot of the Nexus 7 (2013) 32GB. In the case of a non expandable drive 16GB is too small due to the lack of an SD slot.

I came across a couple of deals which were cheaper (Nexus 7 32GB a bit over £200 or $330). The deals involved the Galaxy Note 8.0.

I saw a deal for the Galaxy Note 8.0 16GB for £195 ($320) from a reputable dealer and I decided to take a closer look at that.

I had the feeling ofdéjà vu all over again. The only thing the Nexus 7 gives me over the Note 8.0 is the screen resolution - 1920 x 1200 for the Nexus versus 1280 x 800 for the Note 8.0

The Note 8.0 has an SD slot which the Nexus does not, so I went into deal-breaker mode and again the Nexus lost out. But this time it was not just because of that.

One thing which has cheesed me off on my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is that when I am browsing and there are two links above each other it is a 50-50 chance of hitting the right one. With the Galaxy Note 8.0 and the S-Pen that is a thing of the past. With the Nexus 7 I would still be left with that major PITA.

The Note 8.0 has a proper MicroUSB port on it and supports things like USB flash drives which the Nexus does not (you have to buy an extra app to make it compatible, which turned me off).

Looking closer the Galaxy Note 8.0 gives me the ability to run two apps at the same time on the screen. This is not true for all apps but it is a really nice thing to have.

The other thing which I alluded to above is the fact that the Note 8.0 has a Wacom digitiser and pen (S-Pen). If the Nexus 7 had an SD slot, this - for the same price - would perhaps (but not certainly) have tipped my hand in favour of the Note 8.0.

Now I have to say that I am autistic (I have Asperger's) and the one thing that annoys me no end is smudge marks from my fingers on the screen of my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 - it is one reason why I will NEVER buy a touchscreen for my PC. Browsing I can use the S-Pen as I would a mouse, and I can avoid smudges.

My handwriting REALLY sucks and I have no artistic talent whatsoever so the main selling point of the S-Pen is otherwise wasted on me.

The reason why I was not so bothered about the lack of SD slot expansion on the Nexus 7 is the fact that I recently bought a Corsair Voyager Air 512GB external hard drive. It has Wifi, Gigabit Ethernet and USB 3,0 connectivity all in one. It works very well with my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0.

Looking further into it I have found that the Nexus 7 has issues with Wifi connectivity. Another complaint I have found is that the Nexus 7 will stop working entirely if dropped onto a bed (never mind a table) - and of course the ASUS typically sucky tech-support lives up to its typically sucky reputation.

Is there a big difference between the Note 8.0 and my Tab 2 7.0 in size? Strangely enough in my case not so much. I got a really good cover for my Tab 2 but it does make it bigger all around. I got an excellent cover for my Note 8.0 which is form hugging and with the covers on the pair of them are about the same breadth with the Note 8.0 being just a bit taller. The coolest thing about the cover for the Note 8.0 is that it turns it off (sleep mode) when I close it.

Compared to the Nexus 7, first of all covers for them are a lot more expensive when comparing the same quality. They are around about 1.5 times more expensive. The Nexus also has extremely large top and bottom bezels and the cases I have found for it don't fit snugly so that makes the Nexus 7 in the case quite a bit taller than the Note 8.0.

As far as aesthetics go, I am not the person to ask; my favourite looking aircraft of all time is the A10 Republic Thunderbolt II - 'nuff said?

I have had a lot of really excellent use out of my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 and it has performed admirably with regard to Wifi and Bluetooth. I can run my Bluetooth speaker (Kai Mini), keyboard and mouse simultaneously with no problems whatsoever. I have never had any Wifi connectivity issues - in fact the Wifi has worked in environments where others couldn't get a connection. It is also incredibly easy to root.

Where the Nexus 7 won me over was the screen and the processor specs but mainly the screen. At the end of the day the 800x600 display of the Tab 2 7.0 has become its Achilles Heel as far as my usage is concerned.

Normally the price of the Note 8.0 would be about £100 ($160) more than the Nexus 7 and in this case I would have bought the Nexus 7 and taken the chances that the complaints I have read about it are the exceptions and not the rule.

Some of you are perhaps wondering, what about the iPad Mini? Well what about the iPad Mini. It compares favourably to my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 and that's about it. Apple is asking a high price for mediocre hardware (as usual) and it doesn't - in my opinion - deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence. With the other two that I decided to choose from (see how I did that? :D)

I decided around this point of the post that I would put in a poll listing the choices where I will also list the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0; which I didn't consider because I originally wanted a seven inch tablet, and I got a better deal on the Note 8.0 than I could find with regard to the Tab 3 8.0. It's one of those upside down crazy world kind of things which happens occasionally.

At the price I got the tablet I have basically always wanted - even though eight inches is a bit on the large side because I consider seven inches to be the ideal size for usability and portability.

What am I going to do with my Tab 2 7.0? I am selling it to a friend of mine for half the current price of a new one. With all the accessories and a 32GB Class10 SDHC and a spare battery pack with four brand new 2000 mAh Eneloop rechargeable batteries that would be £75 ($123) which I think is fair.
 
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Yes, but hand on heart I didn't even look in the direction of either Nook or Kindle, which I agree with you is shame on me with regard to replacing my Tab 2 7.0
 

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Just as an addendum, I found on my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 that the responsiveness of the touchscreen was a lot better when I updated to Android 4.2.2 and I was just looking at a report and the same thing is true of the Galaxy Note 8.0.
 

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I looked at the Galaxy Note 8 to replace my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (which is having battery issues), but I found it's wifi range was less and the speakers weren't as loud, so I returned it because it was causing more pauses in streaming. Even in the store when I was looking at all the tablets, the Note 8 was the slowest to connect to things. The Galaxy Tab 3 is a bit uninspiring since it has a Marvell chip in it and the new Nexus 7 doesn't sound as loud as the Tab 2, but I'm a bit weary of going Nexus again considering I have the original Nexus 7 and it now has serious stuttering issues now, which it didn't a few months ago and I bought it a couple of months after the Tab 2 7.0.
 

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I had a galaxy tab 2 7" and got rid of it as the last update made it slow as hell and fubared the sound volume. I gave it to my son and got an asus memo pad hd 7.
 

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I picked the iPad Mini as my vote, but OP I will say the wifi on my 2013 Nexus 7 is rock solid. In fact it is better than any other mobile device in my house (S4, iPad 2, iPhone 5).

Also I will say that OTG makes the Nexus 7 very expandible. I just bought a $50 128GB pen drive on BF that works great with the Nexus 7.

Also my Nexus 7 is pretty solid. I have dropped it twice on concrete with no damage. It is in a case for grip though, the back is too smooth.

My favorite things about the Nexus 7 are: the screen (great for reading and comics), the stock Android, and the pretty decent performance.

The only reason I won't recommend it to others outright is the wonky touchscreen. To make mine tolerable I had to do an XDA hack that no normal would do. So I vote for iPad Mini instead.
 
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Nec_V20

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I had a galaxy tab 2 7" and got rid of it as the last update made it slow as hell and fubared the sound volume. I gave it to my son and got an asus memo pad hd 7.

I managed to do a similar thing with my Tab 2 7.0. I really wanted to try out the google voice option and so I downloaded a compatible 4.1 ROM. When it rebooted the sound subsystem was completely jiggered.

So I flashed it back to stock again.

Since then I have waited until the OTA update has been available and it is now running 4.2.2 with, as I stated before, the touchscreen responsiveness greatly improved from 4.1.2.
 

Nec_V20

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I looked at the Galaxy Note 8 to replace my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (which is having battery issues)

My battery issue was with regard to completely depleting my battery and it would not charge - not via USB from my computer nor from the mains adapter.

I thought the battery was knackered but then tried my battery pack to recharge it and lo and behold it started charging. After about 20 minutes or so I tried charging over the mains again and it still would not charge.

I left it on the battery pack for another hour and then tried again and it was charging normally.

Speaking of battery packs, the only rechargeable batteries (AA) that I have found to be of any use are "GP ReCyko" and "Sanyo Eneloop" all the rest have been absolutely garbage.

I was totally impressed by the "Sanyo Eneloop XX" 2500 mAh rechargeable batteries. I tested them out against the Duracell Ultra batteries in my Logitech G700 mouse and they lasted as long in it - I was pretty gobsmacked at that.
 

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I have a Nexus 7 2013 & an iPad Mini (1st gen) The mini is a better size and seems to work better. Without a doubt the new Mini would be way better than the Nexus 7.
 

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I picked the iPad Mini as my vote, but OP I will say the wifi on my 2013 Nexus 7 is rock solid.

I take complaints people make about things with a grain of salt. However when I find different people on different fora making similar complaints I start getting a bit wary.

Nonetheless if it were not for the fact that I saw the Galaxy Note 8.0 on offer for less than the price of a Google Nexus 7 (2013) 32GB I wouldn't have gone for it.

The normal asking price for the Note 8.0 is a bit too high for what I am willing to pay for a mobile device. Even the price of the Nexus was stretching it a bit.
 

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I have a Nexus 7 2013 & an iPad Mini (1st gen) The mini is a better size and seems to work better. Without a doubt the new Mini would be way better than the Nexus 7.

Not to put too fine a point upon it, but it seems to be that every next Apple product is hyped as going to be the dog's bollocks and it never is.

I tune out marketdroid hype about vapourware and have done so for decades now.

My ultimate "draw circle bang head" time came when salescritters were actually trying to tell me that my 19" computer monitor was too small, but a 3.5 inch phone screen was just perfect for watching football.
 

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My Note 8 is the best tablet I've owned. Its screen resolution is getting decidedly dated these days though, but its Exynos 4412 and 2GB of RAM still hold up alright.

Now that the Note 10.1 2014E is out, I'm really hoping for a similar Note 8 refresh. I'll be all over a 32GB sku of a Note 8 2014e.
 

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My Note 8 is the best tablet I've owned. Its screen resolution is getting decidedly dated these days though, but its Exynos 4412 and 2GB of RAM still hold up alright.

Now that the Note 10.1 2014E is out, I'm really hoping for a similar Note 8 refresh. I'll be all over a 32GB sku of a Note 8 2014e.
The 800x600 res on my Tab 2 7.0 was getting a bit low.

I think I can "slum it" with the Note 8 and 1280 x 800 until 2015 :)
 

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Also I will say that OTG makes the Nexus 7 very expandible. I just bought a $50 128GB pen drive on BF that works great with the Nexus 7.
OTG does not work out of the box for the Nexus 7 (2013) it requires the device to be rooted and then to have Stickmount installed on it.

I find this a bloody-minded way of trying to sell cloud storage and there is absolutely no excuse for it. ASUS or Google specifically intended for the USB port to be castrated.

I will be honest that when I found out about this it soured me quite a bit on the Nexus 7.
 
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You are not trying to tell me that ASUS or Google managed to arse up something as basic as a USB port by accident are you?

I mean, the port seems to work fine for me. I think the issue is software.

The place they screwed up the Nexus 7 is the touchscreen. That is what you should fear. Stock the keyboard is almost unusable.
 

Bateluer

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The 800x600 res on my Tab 2 7.0 was getting a bit low.

I think I can "slum it" with the Note 8 and 1280 x 800 until 2015 :)

I think the Tab 2 7in has a 1024x600 resolution? I had one briefly before the N7 2012s were released.
 

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You're right, I just checked, it does have 1024x600 it just seems a lot less :)

Also 800x600 is a standard VGA resolution so I have just come to think of the res of the tablet as that.

But the added pixels will be welcome. The other advantage of course is that the Note 8.0 does not have the buttons on screen which chews up a hell of a lot of space when I am browsing on the web.

As I say the "x600" has become so associated with "800" in my mind because that has been one of the standard VGA resolutions for decades (yes I am that old) that I didn't even notice it.

Thanks for pointing that out.

*Nec gets up to perform percussive maintenance on his brain*
 
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Ravynmagi

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The Galaxy Note 8 seems like a decent tablet. But technology flows fast in the mobile space and this 8 month old tablet looks a bit old already with it's 1280x800 display and Cortex A9 processor. However I can tolerate 1280x800 if needed and if you want a good pen in a small tablet this is your only choice. I don't get why others seem to have abandoned this.

I'm a big fan of the Nexus 7, I think it's a great tablet. At least here in the US it's got a wonderfully low price, sorry to hear it's expensive over there. The display is very beautiful, stock Android keeps it performing fast and it just got updated to Android 4.4 (granted not a big update though). So far my wifi performance has been great. I think any wifi issues are probably the exception on this device.

I also like the iPad mini a lot. Not a big fan of iOS itself or iTunes. But I love all the wonderful apps in iOS and it's is really the build quality of this tablet and the quality of the apps that draw me to this.

Something not on your list is the Dell Venue 8 Pro. It's only $300 here and run Windows 8.1. Has an SD slot and I think the build quality is really good for something this cheap. Sadly I wish Dell had gone with a Wacom digitizer instead of the Synaptics. It sounds like the pen support is a train wreck, but seems to be capable of feeble chicken scratches and probably some note taking. I also wish it had an HDMI port on the tablet. But it's a pretty nice device.

I imagine Lenovo might have an 8 inch tablet with pen support under their higher end Thinkpad lineup coming in the near future. They just released the 8 inch Miix 2 (terrible name by the way). I like how Lenovo includes a pen silo with their Thinkpad Tablets like Samsung does.
 

Nec_V20

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It's only $300 here and run Windows 8.1.

That's your problem right there, "it runs Windows 8.1".

But Ravynmagi, if you look at all options out there you will be reduced to three choices:

1) Speed
2) Cost
2) Reliability

The problem is, you can only ever choose two of the three options above.

If it's fast and cheap then it won't be reliable
If it's cheap and reliable then it won't be fast
If it's fast and reliable then it won't be cheap

Sure I only have 1280*800 resolution BUT I get an SD slot which I consider to be important and I also get a high quality digitiser and proper stylus support.

I stated at the beginning of my original post that I was so inspired by the specs of the Nexus 7 compared to my Tab 2 7.0 that I felt the need to change.

I was just lucky enough to find an offer by accident that I couldn't refuse with regard to the Galaxy Note 8.0 which FOR ME and WHAT I WANT TO DO is the superior tablet in comparison to the Nexus 7 or anything else that is out there in that price range.

Let's face it both the Nexus and the Note 8.0 pee on the iPad Mini from a great height.

On benchmarks I have seen the 1.6 GHz quad core Samsung Exynos 4412 is on par with the 1.5 GHz quad-core Snapdragon S4 Pro in the Nexus 7. The GPU in the Nexus is better.

With regard to "build quality" and the iPad, look it's just a box. If you have any sense you will have it in a protective cover - so at the end of the day, who cares what it looks like?

If I can dive down 100 feet under water and then use the tablet and get a wifi connection THEN I will be impressed with "Build Quality". As it is, if I drop the iPad mini in a bucket of water then it will fritz out just as quickly as any other tablet and be more useless than an Etch-A-Sketch - so we really aren't talking about big differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
 

Ravynmagi

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Running Windows 8.1 isn't my problem. :)

Well, you seem to really have your heart sold on the Note 8. Have fun with it. :)
 

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Running Windows 8.1 isn't my problem. :)

Well, you seem to really have your heart sold on the Note 8. Have fun with it. :)

If you read that into the post then you got the wrong idea.

I fully realise the detrimental side of my choice with regard to what is available elsewhere. I can list a few of them:

1) Laggard Android updates
2) Screen Resolution
3) Graphics Performance
4) OS overhead from the GUI overlay (Touchwiz)
5) DDR2 RAM
6) CPU performance
7) Bloatware
and these are just a few that I can list without really thinking about it.

The Note 8.0 is however a massive step forward compared to my Tab 2 7.0.
 

Nec_V20

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I looked at the Galaxy Note 8 to replace my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (which is having battery issues), but I found it's wifi range was less and the speakers weren't as loud, so I returned it because it was causing more pauses in streaming. Even in the store when I was looking at all the tablets, the Note 8 was the slowest to connect to things. The Galaxy Tab 3 is a bit uninspiring since it has a Marvell chip in it and the new Nexus 7 doesn't sound as loud as the Tab 2, but I'm a bit weary of going Nexus again considering I have the original Nexus 7 and it now has serious stuttering issues now, which it didn't a few months ago and I bought it a couple of months after the Tab 2 7.0.
Although I did not have problems with it I would agree that the wifi does not appear to be as good on my Note 8.0 as it is on my Tab 2 7.0

This has not yet caused me problems when I have been using wifi in coffee shops or the pub.