My friend got caught using someone's ID at Bally's

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
1. She never signed anything saying she wouldn't borrow someone else's card, she has absolutely no obligations here. They couldn't do crap to her. Call the cops all they want, they could only have her removed from the club.

Wow, have you guys not ever been to any sort of private club before? There's an entrance, with a computer, with receptionists, and probably cash registers. You obviously know that to enter the premise, you need to be a valid member. She obviously knew that, so she used somebody elses identity. At the very least, she'll be charged with tresspassing. And if she used the services, she could be charged with that as well.

And they COULD arrest her.

2. The person whose card she borrowed could only have their membership terminated without a refund of whatever fees they paid. They could probably be banned from being a member ever again, boohoo. Once again, nothing cops would ever care about.

You're right, the cops wouldn't care about that. And the cops wouldn't be called about that.

3. They CANNOT force someone to sign a membership contract, what they did was illegal, she had every right to tell them no, and was perfectly okay canceling it after the fact. If they try to come after her for it she needs to lawyer up and go after them.

They didn't force her to do anything. I'm sure she had the option. Buy a membership, or they'll call the cops. She wasn't forced to it, she could have told them to call the cops. She chose to work it out with the company... entirely legal.

 

[bu1026]

can she cancel the membership after she join? will she still get charged for trespassing?

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: bu1026
Can she get tracked down and get charged after she stepped out of Bally's since she canceled her membership at ballys?

Of course they can track her down, she signed up for their services. The contract undoubtedly has all of her personal information on it.

Off the subject, but why do you have two accounts?

 

[rahvin]

So to avoid going to jail for the night she buys a membership and then commits credit card fraud. Thus stepping the offense up from a petty crime to a federal felony. Now that takes brains. You said she was blonde, right?

The real question is, will she cry at the federal trial? Hysterical woman on TV, news at 10.

 

[bu1026]

okay so they track her down, but they can't charge her after they let her go right?

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: bu1026
okay so they track her down, but they can't charge her after they let her go right?

At this point, they'd go after her for canceling her membership and credit card probably.

Why are you avoiding my question?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Mill

I don't see this as a criminal matter, but rather a civil one. It wasn't as if the service had not been paid for -- it had -- but she used a membership that was not in her name, and likely violates the contract the original owner signed with Bally's. Thus, I think the owner of the pass should either have to pay a fine or have their membership revoked. The second person, however, should NOT have to fulfill the contract.

The service wasn't paid for just because they were in possession of a paid membership card. That membership card was for a specific person, it's not valid for anyone else. If anyone else uses it, it's the same as if they used no membership card at all.

I agree that it was only valid for the person on the membership card, but I don't consider it theft of services. It is a civil matter. I still don't understand why she didn't get a guest pass instead. I think most of the time you can get one good for up to 5 trips for a friend or family member.

I'd consider it a civil fraud, but certainly not anything criminal. She used a card that was not hers, but had permission of the owner. If I were Bally's I'd have just given her a trespass warning and said if you don't want to buy a membership today you can never come back here. That way she's not coerced. She has an option to never come back on their property, or become a member and do like everyone else does. Pay the money.

I used to work somewhere where people used fraudulent passes or tickets quite a bit. We gave them the option of buying a real one or they were trespassed and could never return. A lot of people would buy the pass or the same day ticket. Unless it was widespread fraud (i.e. a group using counterfeit passes) the cops did not care, and even then they wouldn't really do much. It violated our TOS, so they would be trespassed, and the cops WOULD do something then if they came back. Normally it was someone using a friend or family member's pass and/or using an expired ticket.

The only way we could do something criminal was if the amount was over a certain threshold. Otherwise you'd have to go to a magistrate and get a warrant. There's no since in doing that over 30 dollar tickets or 120 dollar season passes. Like I said earlier, we did have a few situations in which we did go for criminal charges. Normally it was when there were 5+ people attempted to defraud us, and then they had a negative attitude and/or caused problems when they were asked to leave.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: JRock
Their fault for not catching it sooner.

Edit: You CANNOT force someone into signing a binding contract.

Tell Sven the 260lb. Enforcer that.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Mill
I agree that it was only valid for the person on the membership card, but I don't consider it theft of services. It is a civil matter. I still don't understand why she didn't get a guest pass instead. I think most of the time you can get one good for up to 5 trips for a friend or family member.

I'd consider it a civil fraud, but certainly not anything criminal. She used a card that was not hers, but had permission of the owner. If I were Bally's I'd have just given her a trespass warning and said if you don't want to buy a membership today you can never come back here. That way she's not coerced. She has an option to never come back on their property, or become a member and do like everyone else does. Pay the money.

I used to work somewhere where people used fraudulent passes or tickets quite a bit. We gave them the option of buying a real one or they were trespassed and could never return. A lot of people would buy the pass or the same day ticket. Unless it was widespread fraud (i.e. a group using counterfeit passes) the cops did not care, and even then they wouldn't really do much. It violated our TOS, so they would be trespassed, and the cops WOULD do something then if they came back. Normally it was someone using a friend or family member's pass and/or using an expired ticket.

The only way we could do something criminal was if the amount was over a certain threshold. Otherwise you'd have to go to a magistrate and get a warrant. There's no since in doing that over 30 dollar tickets or 120 dollar season passes. Like I said earlier, we did have a few situations in which we did go for criminal charges. Normally it was when there were 5+ people attempted to defraud us, and then they had a negative attitude and/or caused problems when they were asked to leave.

I don't know much about the law, so you're probably right.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
They made her signed up for a 3 years membership before letting her go.

How legal is that?

She promptly cancelled her cc and the membership afterward.

Ballys is fvcking gangsta like that...I wouldnt be surprised.

 

[BD2003]

Oh and believe me, canceling the CC will do nothing. Once she signed that paper, they are going to be on her ass like flies on sh*t for the next 3 years, and they will probably get every cent of it.

 

[SportSC4]

i don't work at bally's but know a thing or two about gym memberships.
she has 3 days to cancel with no obligation. Every state has this, it's the law. She needs to go back and cancel it ASAP and get the termination papers as proof. I believe NE and HI have 7 days, not 100% sure.
the member that owns the membership can have it terminated. did they confiscate the card? if not, there is not much they can do.
I don't know of a single gym network that doesn't have sketchy people working for them. But Ballys is the worst out of all of them, imho. They will go after you to get whatever monies you legitamately and illegitamately owe.

if you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

edit: i want to reiterate; SHE HAS AT LEAST 3 DAYS TO CANCEL THE MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES all states have this law (some states include more days, but the minimum is 3). She needs to go back, tell 'em to kcuf off and cancel the membership. also, she should get proof of her cancellation as they will try to fake the cancellation.

 

[AndrewR]

Bally's steals all the time from its members.

Seriously HATE that place.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: SportSC4
i don't work at bally's but know a thing or two about gym memberships.
she has 3 days to cancel with no obligation. Every state has this, it's the law. She needs to go back and cancel it ASAP and get the termination papers as proof. I believe NE and HI have 7 days, not 100% sure.
the member that owns the membership can have it terminated. did they confiscate the card? if not, there is not much they can do.
I don't know of a single gym network that doesn't have sketchy people working for them. But Ballys is the worst out of all of them, imho. They will go after you to get whatever monies you legitamately and illegitamately owe.

if you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

edit: i want to reiterate; SHE HAS AT LEAST 3 DAYS TO CANCEL THE MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES all states have this law (some states include more days, but the minimum is 3). She needs to go back, tell 'em to kcuf off and cancel the membership. also, she should get proof of her cancellation as they will try to fake the cancellation.

Total myth. Most 3 day cooling off laws only apply to door-to-door salesmen.

In Alabama there is no such law if you bought a service or good at the place of business.

http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/H/HE-0637/

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: bu1026
Can she get tracked down and get charged after she stepped out of Bally's since she canceled her membership at ballys?

Of course they can track her down, she signed up for their services. The contract undoubtedly has all of her personal information on it.

Off the subject, but why do you have two accounts?

LOL.......bu1024 is the said girl in this story.

 

[ghostman]

Originally posted by: yobarman
FYI: Bally's is the most crooked organization on the planet. I don't know how they are in business anymore. They have the most high pressure salesmen, and any attempts of cancellation are futile. Really, the only way i cancelled out of mine was forging some documents.

ANd even then i had to spent hours on the phone with them to get my money back for 3 months they charged me for.

I can't say it enough. DO NOT STEP INSIDE A BALLY'S IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GYM. YOU WILL BE SORRY!

I have to agree, but my experience was with Crunch (who is linked with Bally's). A friend signed one of those "Win a free gym membership" things at a movie theater once. A week later, I got a call telling me that I won. Being in the market for a gym membership, I figured, what's the harm.

The moment you step in, they are all over you. You pick a scratch-off card from a fish bowl and it reveals you've only won a free 1 week membership. The salesmen tells you that it's too little, so he'll bump it to a free month membership. Then he goes ahead and starts scheduling you a free personal training session as well and all these other goodies. And then the contract. You ge the free month, but you have to make sure you go in this many days a month. Otherwise, you can't cancel after the month. Instead, you're stuck in a contract that, after reading the fine print, I realized I could never get out of. I'd basically have to get a doctor's note telling them I can no longer exercise or show proof that I'm going to a place that doesn't have an affiliated gym close by. Why the hell do I have to explain why I don't want to go to your gym anymore?!?!? Maybe I found another gym. Maybe I did get injured or ill. Maybe I am going away. It's none of your business!!! Well, after I started showing my hesitation, they stopped being so nice. And I got out of there.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: bu1026
Can she get tracked down and get charged after she stepped out of Bally's since she canceled her membership at ballys?

Of course they can track her down, she signed up for their services. The contract undoubtedly has all of her personal information on it.

Off the subject, but why do you have two accounts?

LOL.......bu1024 is the said girl in this story.

I know that. Why does she have the same heatware as darksparkz?

 

[bu1026]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: bu1026
Can she get tracked down and get charged after she stepped out of Bally's since she canceled her membership at ballys?

Of course they can track her down, she signed up for their services. The contract undoubtedly has all of her personal information on it.

Off the subject, but why do you have two accounts?

LOL.......bu1024 is the said girl in this story.

I know that. Why does she have the same heatware as darksparkz?

what is heatware?

 

[BD2003]

Those contracts are worth so much money that they WILL sue her ass over it. She is going to have to pay every cent of it unless she can get a doctor to sign a note saying she has an illness preventing her from working out. No one put a gun to her head and made her sign the contract.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: bu1026
what is heatware?

Click the two links in my post. Same heatware is linked in both account profiles. If you're telling the truth, then there must be a forum bug.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: bu1026
what is heatware?

Click the two links in my post. Same heatware is linked in both accounts. If you're telling the truth, then there must be a forum bug.

gotta be a bug, she is computer illiteral.

 

[rahvin]

Let me reiterate a point. If you signed a credit card slip and then deny the charge and cancel your credit card, your ass is grass. The credit card company as part of the disputed charge will pull reciepts from a few sources as well as the one from Ballys and confirm your signature. After they do they will refer you to the fraud division who will make the decision whether they will involve federal law enforcement. Even if they don't refer you to law enforcement (mark my words, they take fraud VERY seriously) you will be liable for the credit charge and Ballys will get their money.

 

[Anonemous]

sure sounds familiar like the RIAA, send us 3k or you'll face legal action, so I guess it's legal.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Let me reiterate a point. If you signed a credit card slip and then deny the charge and cancel your credit card, your ass is grass. The credit card company as part of the disputed charge will pull reciepts from a few sources as well as the one from Ballys and confirm your signature. After they do they will refer you to the fraud division who will make the decision whether they will involve federal law enforcement. Even if they don't refer you to law enforcement (mark my words, they take fraud VERY seriously) you will be liable for the credit charge and Ballys will get their money.

That depends. If you tell the credit card company that you were essentially "forced" into signing the contract, and that you want to dispute the charge they will let you. That is very different than canceling the card to avoid the charge and/or claiming the use of your card was fraudulent. If you don't like to them, and dispute it under the grounds that you were forced or you didn't want it they will look at it. Doesn't mean you will win -- they will likely side with the merchant, but very different than just trying to shirk the charge.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: rahvin
Let me reiterate a point. If you signed a credit card slip and then deny the charge and cancel your credit card, your ass is grass. The credit card company as part of the disputed charge will pull reciepts from a few sources as well as the one from Ballys and confirm your signature. After they do they will refer you to the fraud division who will make the decision whether they will involve federal law enforcement. Even if they don't refer you to law enforcement (mark my words, they take fraud VERY seriously) you will be liable for the credit charge and Ballys will get their money.

That depends. If you tell the credit card company that you were essentially "forced" into signing the contract, and that you want to dispute the charge they will let you. That is very different than canceling the card to avoid the charge and/or claiming the use of your card was fraudulent. If you don't like to them, and dispute it under the grounds that you were forced or you didn't want it they will look at it. Doesn't mean you will win -- they will likely side with the merchant, but very different than just trying to shirk the charge.

If she was forced into signing the contract, as in, some big dude threatened her life unless she signed it, its the police she needs to be dealing with it.

It sounds like she didnt read what she signed, but thats nobody's fault but her own.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but once she signed that contract, she is legally bound to owning up to it.