My experience with the Vista...

VIAN

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...is incomplete.

I didn't give Vista a fair chance previously, and I've reinstalled it with the purpose of taking my time during this second run.
 

Captante

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The first things I did in Vista was to set the start menu back to classic & tweak folder views so it looks almost exactly like XP, then I proceeded to turn off the annoying & useless UAC.

After that I still found some stuff I didn't like, but as far as I'm concerned its not anywhere near as bad as you make it sound .... of course my primary PC dual-boots Vista & XP Pro so if/when I get tired of Vista, all I have to do is restart!

:p :p
 

Aikouka

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First reason why this shouldn't be taken seriously... you only spent a couple hours with the OS. Then you mention how you disliked some of the start menu design, yet you don't just change it back to the normal view?

You don't even mention how a decent amount of Vista's changes are also beneath the hood and are unfortunately something you may never notice.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
First reason why this shouldn't be taken seriously... you only spent a couple hours with the OS. Then you mention how you disliked some of the start menu design, yet you don't just change it back to the normal view?

You don't even mention how a decent amount of Vista's changes are also beneath the hood and are unfortunately something you may never notice.
A couple of hours of trying to find a way around something that doesn't work for you can be an eternity.

What normal view are you talking about?

As if I cared about the "decent" under the hood changes that were made. Why would I care about that, when I have difficulty using it. Scenario:

Bob: Yes, this program will revolutionize everything.

Mark: Really!

Bob: It even does your laundry.

Mark: Wow! How do I turn it on?

Bob: I don't know.
 

Kromis

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: Aikouka
First reason why this shouldn't be taken seriously... you only spent a couple hours with the OS. Then you mention how you disliked some of the start menu design, yet you don't just change it back to the normal view?

You don't even mention how a decent amount of Vista's changes are also beneath the hood and are unfortunately something you may never notice.
A couple of hours of trying to find a way around something that doesn't work for you can be an eternity.

What normal view are you talking about?

As if I cared about the "decent" under the hood changes that were made. Why would I care about that, when I have difficulty using it. Scenario:

Bob: Yes, this program will revolutionize everything.

Mark: Really!

Bob: It even does your laundry.

Mark: Wow! How do I turn it on?

Bob: I don't know.

PS3, anyone? (Kidding! :p)
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: VIAN
A couple of hours of trying to find a way around something that doesn't work for you can be an eternity.

Still no excuse. Probably used no resources and relied on your "excellent sense of technology"/"windows knowledge" :roll:.

Originally posted by: VIAN
What normal view are you talking about?

Uhh the standard Start Menu view that most normal people use :p. You're complaining about the Start Menu so much, just DON'T USE THE NEW LAYOUT. Jeez. Just right click on the start menu button and go to properties to open the Start Menu settings.

Originally posted by: VIAN
As if I cared about the "decent" under the hood changes that were made. Why would I care about that, when I have difficulty using it. Scenario:

Horrible scenario. The biggest changes are meant to keep drivers away from the hardware so if a driver is faulty, it won't bring your system to a hault (because a device is unable to continue processing and needs to reboot).

Personally, one of my favorite changes is the proper intergration of Windows Update. Windows Update has practically been a tack-on since Windows 98 and now it's finally integrated properly. It also will not force a restart anymore, but it will keep asking you and ask you again at the next time you specify (10 mins, 30 mins and 4 hours I believe?).

To me, it sounds like your complaints are just yo being too used to something and not liking the fact that it was changed. After a day or two, there was very little that I couldn't find in Vista anymore. I still think the OS is alright and I can't stand when people just bash it for no reason. You wouldn't believe how many people say stuff to me like, "Oh I heard Vista sucks!" and I'll say, "Oh, so why's that?" and they give me this pure crap that someone told them. Then I set them straight on it. Like someone said that Vista didn't work with WoW and I was like, "No... I installed Vista a day or so before the release and played WoW that day on it."

Misinformed consumers influenced other people just make me a sad panda... and please, think of the pandas.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: VIAN
What normal view are you talking about?

Uhh the standard Start Menu view that most normal people use :p. You're complaining about the Start Menu so much, just DON'T USE THE NEW LAYOUT. Jeez. Just right click on the start menu button and go to properties to open the Start Menu settings.
I don't get it. What standard Start Menu that most people use? In what version of Windows?

You mean, don't use the NEW LAYOUT and use the classic start menu? Shoot. I like the one in XP. I don't really like the classic start menu, but I would use it over the Vista start menu. But I like the XP start menu the best. The XP start menu is like a mix between the Vista start menu and the classic start menu.

My dislike with Vista isn't just the start menu. The start menu is a biggie, but it's just other tiny annoyances. And why should I have to use resources. If Vista is so complicated that I have to use outside resources, then that's already a step back from XP.

I went through the whole control panel configuring Vista. Ultimately, I had issues trying to make the User folder in the start menu my own folder. I couldn't figure out how to integrate my music, videos, etc. folders on my other drives into that folder without using shortcuts and having a bunch of redundant folders. Vista wasn't flexible enough.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: VIAN
I couldn't figure out how to integrate my music, videos, etc. folders on my other drives into that folder without using shortcuts and having a bunch of redundant folders. Vista wasn't flexible enough.

Here's the problem... you can't figure something out so it's automatically bad? You even mention how you're not a "Power User", yet you demean something because it may not be as easy as hitting some option on the side panel.

I've never tried to do that and I could care less to do it. I don't use the User folders for music or videos (since they're all on my media server which I have my PC connected to via network drives), but I do use it for Documents and Pictures.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.
 

CKent

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The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: CKent
The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.
 

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Yeah, Vista felt pretty weird for me for a week or so also. Nice improvements though.
 

Bateluer

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In a few years, we'll all be using Vista, save for a few die hards using XP and Linux. Drivers and other software will be refined and adapted to function more smoothly with Vista. Then we'll hear all these same arguments all over again when the next version of Windows is released. I remember hearing these same issues when XP was released, Win2k was released, Win98, and Win95. I'm sure it'd go further back than that, but thats when I started getting into computer.
 

lozina

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I got a new laptop at my job two weeks ago which had Vista on it.

Today I am formatting it and installing XP. It is a nightmare to work with using my software development tools. The machine feels so sluggish too ocmpared to my older laptop with significantly worse specs.

 

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Originally posted by: VIAN
I tried Windows Vista for a few hours and I was very displeased. I thought half the new features in Vista were great and the other half were a step backwards in functionality. And the features I did like felt like they could've just been added to Windows XP with a few updates.

After waiting forever for my redemption form to kick in, I finally got a hold of Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade. I chose Home Basic because I don't need any Media Center functionality, nor am I going to pay upwards of 50 dollars just for the Aero interface, which I thought was a ripoff that MS didn't include it in Home Basic.

MS seems to be all about the money. You can tell that by how they name their editions. Instead of the more sensible XP names: Home, Pro, Media Center, they chose Home Basic, Home Premium, Pro, Ultimate. I feel that naming the small guy Home Basic, unnecessarily gives it a bad connotation. "Basic." What's so basic about it? It does everything that I need it to do. XP just had more functional names for their editions.

Now back to my experience. My issues with Vista aren't with drivers support, or program incompatibilities, or the UAC. No... my issue is worse than that. It is with Vista interface itself. Everything isn't easier. Instead, it's cluttered, confusingly structured and not easily accessible. XP is much more intuitive and faster.

Vista installed fine: a little more intuitive and quicker. Except that I found it funny that it said: if I made a mistake, to click on the back button and change it. Why is that funny? There is no back button. WTF?! Yes, everything must move forward at all times.

Right off the bat I had issues configuring Windows. I don?t think I?m a power user, but I like to go into the Control Panel and make Windows my own and try to get some better performance without going too deep into windows. I'm not going to touch the registry. I don't have the patience for that. The deepest I might go is fiddling with Services.

MS butchered the display properties. It used to be so accessible, and now it's a bunch of icons that you click on, some with functional names. Why? What was wrong with the display properties that have been used for years. Tabbed browsing is the way to go. I like the added functionality, but it's not an intuitive interface. It's just annoying to use.

The start menu. I could kill myself over it. First, I like to restart my system often. To do that in XP requires two clicks. To do that in Vista also requires two clicks, first on a small button and then you have to choose from the list that comes out of the button. It's not as fast. Second, The User folder is annoying to use. It has some things that I use, but I would've rather preferred to use the original My Documents and create my own folders than use specially made folders that like to recreate themselves after you delete them. It wouldn't be that bad, if only you could delete the User folder. But you can't. A novel idea for Vista would have been for the ability to create your own folders and place them there for easy access. I was hoping for that. Alas, I have to deal only with what's available, which is sorely disappointing. It makes me want to use the classic start menu, which would annoy me less.

All programs also has issues. Instead of doing it the way XP does it by expanding, which is much quicker and easier to read, Vista has All the programs in this tiny window in the start menu. You click on a folder, which I hope the name is small enough to fit in the window, and it stays expanded all the time. So this means every time I expand one of these folders, I'll have to unexpand it, which creates more work and wastes time. They also give you the functionality to scroll just in case the list gets too big. It was 10x faster in XP. Oh, but don't worry, they provide a search area in the start menu so that you could search programs. So that means I would have to point to the start menu with my mouse, click on the area provided, then move my hands to the keyboard and type and then move my hands back to the mouse to select. And that?s if it found the program. It takes more time. The old way was faster.

The power schemes, provides more options, but accessing them is annoying. The window in which you can access them is small and cramped and inside is loaded with all sorts of features you can tweak. It?s not tough to use, but it?s not something I want to keep using on a regular basis. And even after all that Vista didn?t let me put a power icon in the task bar. Why, I don?t know. A bug is my guess.

Upon configuring, I notice that the links to the left on all the windows have redundant links of easily accessible things. And you can't remove that panel from the window. Besides being cluttered itself, it adds clutter to the window. Vista really lacks streamlined interfaces. In Windows XP, the panels were removable; they were just as useless. I also didn't like that I didn't have the file, edit toolbar up top. Although you can bring it up, it doesn't look as streamlined and it has functions that I use often. The folders also don't look streamlined. They have too much detail on them. Instead of having this window with folders that is pleasing to look at and that you can read the name easily, you have a bunch of folders that might as well have come out of the baroque era. It?s all very distracting.

In conclusion, Vista is cluttered, hurts productivity and has some small, but interesting features which they could?ve just applied to XP, but instead charge us an arm for. I really think that one way we can avoid MS pulling another Vista is by having update subscriptions to Windows. Paying 49-99 dollars a year for REAL updates is better than paying $200 every two years, as it looks for the next windows, for a flashy new interface and changes for the sake of changes.

And yes, I have gone back to XP Home.
I completely agree with everything you said here. It feels like Vista brought along some pointless changes that, if anything, adversely affected the interface. The XP interface was perfect for me. I never complained about XP being "hard to use" and I'm pretty sure nobody else did either. It was very intuititve.

I guess "intuitive" wasn't part of the Vista design.

- Start Menu, as pointed out, is absurd. The old Start Menu was fine. How do we know it's fine? It has been used since Windows 95 and I've never heard complaints about it. Then XP came along and somewhat "revamped" it and did a good job. It had the same basic functionalities, and then some. Then Vista came along and turned it into a big "WTF." The purpose of the Start Menu is to graphically display the programs and folders in an organized and intuitive manner; the Vista Start Menu is neither. For those of you who just say "switch to the classic menu..." What if I don't want the classic menu? What if I don't like how when I click the Start button, an ugly gray menu pops up and looks totally out of place? What if I want the XP menu with the Vista skin? This is not a case of my being stubborn, this is a case of Vista changing something that did not need changing and screwed it up big time from an objective standpoint.

- Control Panel is also much less user-friendly than before. I'll probably get used to it eventually though.
 

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The only thing Vista offers of any value is DX10 and that's obviously done to force people to upgrade. All the OS needs to do is go from point A to B as simply as possible and take up as few resources as possible in doing it.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: CKent
The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.

good luck with Vista and gaming now, Mem :p

:D

....and we have at least a year before "full" DX10 games that actually *look* better than DX9c ... by then MS will have SP2 and Vista will not suck ;)

hang on to your Vista copy, VIAN
;)



 

Mem

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: CKent
The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.

good luck with Vista and gaming now, Mem :p

:D

....and we have at least a year before "full" DX10 games that actually *look* better than DX9c ... by then MS will have SP2 and Vista will not suck ;)

hang on to your Vista copy, VIAN
;)

I've just finished replaying KOTOR,KOTOR2,Jedi Academy on Vista x64,I don't need any luck with Vista ,rock solid on my PC,however I do need some luck ok maybe a lot with Baldur's Gate 1,final battle has still got me beat at the moment,I refuse to cheat ;) .



In a few years, we'll all be using Vista, save for a few die hards using XP and Linux. Drivers and other software will be refined and adapted to function more smoothly with Vista. Then we'll hear all these same arguments all over again when the next version of Windows is released. I remember hearing these same issues when XP was released, Win2k was released, Win98, and Win95. I'm sure it'd go further back than that, but thats when I started getting into computer.

Now ain't that the truth!.......looking forward to Microsoft's next OS (Vienna I believe)suck thread in 5 years time ;).
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: apoppin

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.

good luck with Vista and gaming now, Mem :p

:D

....and we have at least a year before "full" DX10 games that actually *look* better than DX9c ... by then MS will have SP2 and Vista will not suck ;)

hang on to your Vista copy, VIAN
;)

I've just finished replaying KOTOR,KOTOR2,Jedi Academy on Vista x64,I don't need any luck with Vista ,rock solid on my PC,however I do need some luck ok maybe a lot with Baldur's Gate 1,final battle has still got me beat at the moment,I refuse to cheat ;) .
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you don't need *luck* with any game --or OS, Mem ... NWN2 ran perfectly for you also ... Gothic3 too .. on XP ! ... !!
[only 'silverfall' seems to give you a little 'bother'] :p

your rig is *magic*:moon::sun:
:Q

i am in awe
:shocked:

:D

my *whole point* was for us ... lesser mortals ... like VIAN and myself ... to put Vista away and WAIT for SP2.


seriously ... now that i *upgraded* my rig from x850xt/P42.80c@3.31ghz to x1950p-512/P43.4EE@3.74Ghz, ALL my current games run much smoother ... even FEAR is totally smooth on my 19" WS [another 'upgrade']

i might revisit G3 ... and ultimately NWN2 [someday] after i get 2GB of faster RAM.

a modern rig helps

:)
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: CKent
The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.

good luck with Vista and gaming now, Mem :p

:D

....and we have at least a year before "full" DX10 games that actually *look* better than DX9c ... by then MS will have SP2 and Vista will not suck ;)

hang on to your Vista copy, VIAN
;)

I've just finished replaying KOTOR,KOTOR2,Jedi Academy on Vista x64,I don't need any luck with Vista ,rock solid on my PC,however I do need some luck ok maybe a lot with Baldur's Gate 1,final battle has still got me beat at the moment,I refuse to cheat ;) .

you don't need *luck* with any game ... NWN2 ran perfectly for you also ... gothic3 too .. on XP ! ... !!
[only 'silverfall' seems to give you a little 'bother'] :p

your rig is *magic*:moon::sun:
:Q

i am in awe
:shocked:

:D

my *whole point* was for us lesser mortals ... like VIAN and myself ... to put Vista away and WAIT for SP2.
[/quote]

I've been busy testing Vista for gaming as you can see ;) .Actually KOTOR2 did give me a lot of bother until I found the patch for it link ,just install that to your KOTOR2 folder,solves the problem of crashing at start,otherwise you got to play with sound disabled in options for it to run,more info on KOTOR2 and ms32.dll here.

Btw I did have one game that gave me a lot of headaches which was on XP but was not the OS,it was NFSU2 which I could not get it to run,solved it in the end by updating my Thrustmaster gamepad drivers(both old and new thrustmaster driver were newer then the game) ,I still don't trust EA games.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: VIAN
I couldn't figure out how to integrate my music, videos, etc. folders on my other drives into that folder without using shortcuts and having a bunch of redundant folders. Vista wasn't flexible enough.

Here's the problem... you can't figure something out so it's automatically bad? You even mention how you're not a "Power User", yet you demean something because it may not be as easy as hitting some option on the side panel.

I've never tried to do that and I could care less to do it. I don't use the User folders for music or videos (since they're all on my media server which I have my PC connected to via network drives), but I do use it for Documents and Pictures.
So, because you had an OK time on Vista and ignored all these flaws you're bashing me. Because I'm having difficulty in Vista, you are bashing me.

Good for you that you don't have to deal with this. But the whole point of this article, and it's an experience, not a review, is to point out that Everything that I want to do is easier in XP. Vista makes the same things done easily in XP very difficult. And you're telling me that it's no reason to dislike the OS.

You like Vista for your own reasons. I dislike it for mine, don't bash me because I have an opinion.

 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: CKent
The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.
Yes, well look who's VAIN saying, "Anybody that doesn't use the system for the same amount of time as ME, doesn't know what they're talking about."

I use the power options a lot. And I can't get used to the fact that Vista doesn't let me place an icon in the task bar.

 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
In a few years, we'll all be using Vista, save for a few die hards using XP and Linux. Drivers and other software will be refined and adapted to function more smoothly with Vista. Then we'll hear all these same arguments all over again when the next version of Windows is released. I remember hearing these same issues when XP was released, Win2k was released, Win98, and Win95. I'm sure it'd go further back than that, but thats when I started getting into computer.
I was a very early adopter of XP. Shoot, I was using a pirated version of XP when it first came. It was a little different, but it wasn't Vista. Most of the things stayed the same in XP. And the improvements to the GUI seemed like they were evolutionary. Plus you could go back to the old style if you wanted.

I clearly see the XP start menu as better than the classic start menu. I also clearly see the Vista start menu as inferior to the XP start menu. And I'm disappointed that they don't offer the XP alternative.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: CKent
The day Microsoft makes a product which doesn't suck is the day they team with Hoover and produce a vacuum.

"A couple hours" might be enough time to get the feel of some video games, but it is most certainly not proper for an OS... much less to warrant a "review" of sorts.

I agree,took me a good 1-2 weeks to get use to Vista,ANYBODY that uses it for less time then that does not really deserve to make another VISTA SUCK thread IMHO,I disagree on everything VAIN as said,good luck with XP VAIN and DX10 games down the road.
Yes, well look who's VAIN saying, "Anybody that doesn't use the system for the same amount of time as ME, doesn't know what they're talking about."

I use the power options a lot. And I can't get used to the fact that Vista doesn't let me place an icon in the task bar.

I was saying you should of given it more time,which seems reasonable to me,if you don't like it after a few weeks fine,yes you are entitled to your opinion just like all the other members here..

Lets be honest here do we really need another Vista thread, I have no problem with you posting one but I would of worded it better, something like" Downside of Vista my experience".I'm not having a go at you ,but trying to make constructive comment.

 

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I tried Windows Vista for a few hours and I was very displeased.

That's hardly enough time to get a good feel for a new system. You need to give it at least a week before you can formulate a halfway decently informed opinion.

And the features I did like felt like they could've just been added to Windows XP with a few updates.

Perception doesn't always match reality.

MS seems to be all about the money.

Duh, they're a for-profit company so their main goal is to keep their stock holders happy.

XP is much more intuitive and faster.

XP isn't intuitive, you just already know where everything's located.

Right off the bat I had issues configuring Windows. I don?t think I?m a power user, but I like to go into the Control Panel and make Windows my own and try to get some better performance without going too deep into windows. I'm not going to touch the registry. I don't have the patience for that. The deepest I might go is fiddling with Services.

If you don't consider yourself a power user then you shouldn't be fiddling with services anyway since you don't know what they do.

The User folder is annoying to use. It has some things that I use, but I would've rather preferred to use the original My Documents and create my own folders than use specially made folders that like to recreate themselves after you delete them.

Stuff like the My Pictures and My Music directories got recreated automatically in XP too, so that's not a step backwards.