My Experience At An Employment Agency

Ornery

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The company I worked for, went out of business in late 2002. I milked unemployment for the full 9 months it was available. Currently, I'm working with my brother sporadically on renovations and general carpentry.

I got an email the other day from an employment agency with a "job oppertunity" [sic]. Came close to throwing it in the spam folder, but I wrote back to them just for the heck of it. They've got a client who has been in search of "a person who knows CNC for wood", for six weeks now. The shop is very close to me, so I thought I'd give it a shot. First I had to go to the agency and fill out their paperwork. While there, the girl who contacted me bitched the whole time about the people who come in, looking for work. They arrive in tears, asking for any kind of work, then, show up late at the place they're assigned, leave for lunch and never return, or don't show up at all. One such person phoned and asked when he would be getting his check for the few days he bothered to work. Another called, asking for "factory work". She asked what kind of "factory work" he had experience with? He said punch press, but didn't know what type, or even the name of the company he'd worked at for 4 months!

In the twenty minutes I was there, I got an ear full of what this girl had to put up with. There ARE jobs available, that's for sure. I think our schools need to do a better job of teaching kids what is expected of them by employers. Not the least of which, is showing up on time, and putting in a full day, everyday!

I interviewed at the wood shop. There wasn't much I could do for them. They're backlogged badly, with no time for me to get up to speed on their equipment. I was surprised to learn how lucrative this woodworking field is. He said their lowest priced job is several million dollars, they're six weeks behind, and are scheduled out to mid 2005! They do fancy cabinetry and millwork for 100 million dollar homes! :Q Hell, at the machine tool building shop I came from, we were happy to get a 2 million dollar machine out the door every couple months. There is work and money out there, folks!
 

Ferocious

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He said their lowest priced job is several million dollars, they're six weeks behind, and are scheduled out to mid 2005! They do fancy cabinetry and millwork for 100 million dollar homes!

Yes I know several rich people who applaud the current economic recovery. Several of them are also building expensive new homes.

Construction is a good field to be in right now.
 

Ornery

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Hey, at least they can't farm that work out to India, or China. These prices he was throwing around just boggled my mind. I could build a whole mall for 100 million, let alone one fvcking house!
 

UltraQuiet

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There ARE jobs available, that's for sure.
Yes there are. Of course in some cases it means you might have to learn something new or (horrors) move to another locale.

I think our schools need to do a better job of teaching kids what is expected of them by employers.
More partnerships between industry and schools, especially at the secondary and post-secondary levels would go a long way to alleviate problems both groups face.

Not the least of which, is showing up on time, and putting in a full day, everyday!
Not sure if it's the schools responsibility to do this but they would be a welcome partner. Especially if Mom and Dad have no work ethic.



Stand by for lying, worthless, felonious, unemployed, beg for money on the internet POS to come in here and make his usual insightful comments.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
There ARE jobs available, that's for sure.
Yes there are. Of course in some cases it means you might have to learn something new or (horrors) move to another locale.

I think our schools need to do a better job of teaching kids what is expected of them by employers.
More partnerships between industry and schools, especially at the secondary and post-secondary levels would go a long way to alleviate problems both groups face.

Not the least of which, is showing up on time, and putting in a full day, everyday!
Not sure if it's the schools responsibility to do this but they would be a welcome partner. Especially if Mom and Dad have no work ethic.



Stand by for lying, worthless, felonious, unemployed, beg for money on the internet POS to come in here and make his usual insightful comments.
heartsurgeon lose his job?
 

burnedout

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I think our schools need to do a better job of teaching kids what is expected of them by employers.
From March 10-12, I attended the No Child Left Behind Leadership Summit in St. Louis.

Dr. Susan Sclafani, the U.S. Assistant Secretary for Vocational and Special Ed told me that the state of NY is currently fighting to keep two employers from outsourcing a large part of their work overseas. The company's reasoning? There aren't enough qualified employees in that region of the country right now. I don't know whether to believe her or not. She wouldn't give me the name of the companies or industry.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
There ARE jobs available, that's for sure.
Yes there are. Of course in some cases it means you might have to learn something new or (horrors) move to another locale.

I think our schools need to do a better job of teaching kids what is expected of them by employers.
More partnerships between industry and schools, especially at the secondary and post-secondary levels would go a long way to alleviate problems both groups face.

Not the least of which, is showing up on time, and putting in a full day, everyday!
Not sure if it's the schools responsibility to do this but they would be a welcome partner. Especially if Mom and Dad have no work ethic.



Stand by for lying, worthless, felonious, unemployed, beg for money on the internet POS to come in here and make his usual insightful comments.
heartsurgeon lose his job?

I think he was probably referring to Dave. I gotta say that as much as i used to like Dave I can't really argue with that description.

 

Ornery

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"Not sure if it's the schools responsibility to do this but they would be a welcome partner."

IMO, this is EXACTLY what schools should be teaching. They should be preparing kids to be self sufficient, and contributing members of society. I also think they ought to teach kids how to be smart consumers. The two largest purchases a person will ever make, real estate and automobiles, is NEVER even touched on! These expenses will effect people their whole lives! They effect whether mom will be able to stay home and raise her kids, or shuffle them off on relatives or day care. They effect how dire the consequences of losing a job will be. Learning how to earn an income is one thing, but learning how to spend it wisely is just as important.

I've heard unfortunately, that vocational training has fallen out of favor, because kids not oriented toward college, get pigeonholed into a "blue collar" track. God forbid!
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Jhhnn

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Interesting, in an odd sort of way. Ornery points out that there are jobs and money out there, but he didn't get one of the former or any of the latter... because he didn't have the skillset required to engage in the growth industry of pampering the ultra-wealthy... and inadvertently explains much of our current economic malaise at the same time. $100M homes, and the income to support them are a symptom of the foolish way we've allowed income and wealth to concentrate into the hands of a very few. Kinda like the antebellum south, with huge white mansions and little shacks... too bad we're not building 500 $200K houses instead of one for $100M.... For every billionaire, we could have had a thousand millionaires instead...

Just a little food for thought, not that any of the usual suspects actually engage in much of it...
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
He said their lowest priced job is several million dollars, they're six weeks behind, and are scheduled out to mid 2005! They do fancy cabinetry and millwork for 100 million dollar homes!

Yes I know several rich people who applaud the current economic recovery. Several of them are also building expensive new homes.

Construction is a good field to be in right now.

LOts of construction happening here. Lots of affordable housing being built here as well.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Interesting, in an odd sort of way. Ornery points out that there are jobs and money out there, but he didn't get one of the former or any of the latter... because he didn't have the skillset required to engage in the growth industry of pampering the ultra-wealthy... and inadvertently explains much of our current economic malaise at the same time. $100M homes, and the income to support them are a symptom of the foolish way we've allowed income and wealth to concentrate into the hands of a very few. Kinda like the antebellum south, with huge white mansions and little shacks... too bad we're not building 500 $200K houses instead of one for $100M.... For every billionaire, we could have had a thousand millionaires instead...

Just a little food for thought, not that any of the usual suspects actually engage in much of it...

And for every millionaire, we could have 1,000 100K'ers! Yay we have socialism

And for every 100K'er, we could have, 1000 1K'ers! Yay we have communism!

If you can't earn your money, steal it through the robin hood government.

 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Interesting, in an odd sort of way. Ornery points out that there are jobs and money out there, but he didn't get one of the former or any of the latter... because he didn't have the skillset required to engage in the growth industry of pampering the ultra-wealthy... and inadvertently explains much of our current economic malaise at the same time. $100M homes, and the income to support them are a symptom of the foolish way we've allowed income and wealth to concentrate into the hands of a very few. Kinda like the antebellum south, with huge white mansions and little shacks... too bad we're not building 500 $200K houses instead of one for $100M.... For every billionaire, we could have had a thousand millionaires instead...

Just a little food for thought, not that any of the usual suspects actually engage in much of it...

And for every millionaire, we could have 1,000 100K'ers! Yay we have socialism

And for every 100K'er, we could have, 1000 1K'ers! Yay we have communism!

If you can't earn your money, steal it through the robin hood government.

Trust me, Jhhnn is the typical socialist/liberal. One hand is used for pointing and accusing, the other is extended palm up waiting for a handout. You can rest assured that he didn't divvy his income up to make x number of y income families.

 

Jhhnn

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Following me around, UQ? More invective, less content seems to be your thought for the day...

Handouts? the only people getting handouts are at the top of the heap, and they're begging for more, to, uhh, stimulate the economy, yeh, that's it. You realize, of course that the top 400 earners in America paid 5% less in federal taxes than the rest of the top 1% in 2000? That their federal taxrate is about the same as a single person earning $125K/yr? And that they only paid SS on the first $85K of their average $174M incomes? Or that their total tax burden as a % of income is well below what the rest of us actually pay?

Me? I give money away on a regular basis, as charitable contributions, and winos will dodge four lanes of fast moving traffic on east Colfax to hit me up for a cigarette and a dollar. I'm an easy mark. I drew $25/wk in unemployment for about a month in 1976, probably while your mind was being poisoned by uber right talk radio playing constantly at your cribside. I've worked more years than you've been alive, and fought against the same lies you perpetuate for most of that time.

You've been blinded by greed and hatred, twisted by unreasonable ambition, and obviously feel cheated any time you're asked to share in the great prosperity that the things you deride have put on your table. If you're so right, why are you so miserable, and why can't you actually make a coherent argument rather than a snide attack?
 

leeboy

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
heartsurgeon lose his job?
Heh...you wish..
I own my own corporation, i own a Heart Center, i don't work for anybody......

The irony of someone without a heart owning a heart center is just spendid ;)
 

dmcowen674

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Great posts as usual Jhhnn.

"I think he was probably referring to Dave. I gotta say that as much as i used to like Dave I can't really argue with that description."

I would rather be hated as hated could be, than pander to the Rich.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Great posts as usual Jhhnn.

"I think he was probably referring to Dave. I gotta say that as much as i used to like Dave I can't really argue with that description."

I would rather be hated as hated could be, than pander to the Rich.
Not me. Successfully pandering to the Rich enriches ones Bank Account:) Unfortunately I'm not in a position to successfully pander to the rich so fsck them all!;)

 

Ornery

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"Ornery points out that there are jobs and money out there, but he didn't get one of the former or any of the latter... because he didn't have the skillset required to engage in the growth industry of pampering the ultra-wealthy..."

What a putz!

The agency I was at had plenty of jobs available, and the few people who bothered to fill them, couldn't be bothered to show up to do them! There's definitely work... for people that want it. That's the catch. Too many people used to work in union jobs, making three times the money the job was really worth. If they're hoping to fall into another job like that, they're going to have a LONG wait. Best to just start your own business, if you hope to make that kind of money again.

The company I applied at, pays their employees very well, because there are serious skills involved. Their customers pay well for the product, which puts money in the owner's pockets, as well as employees, and our city's coffers from taxes. The balance of the money used to build those homes is being spent the same way in other businesses and cities. I certainly wouldn't change a thing, and will vote accordingly.

BTW, not that it's any of your pea brained business, but I'm being well compensated for the work I do now. Again, that's because of the skills involved in the work. There IS money out there, for people willing to work for it.
 

chess9

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Nice thread, Ornery.

I agree with you that a lot of kids today are clueless about what it takes to get and keep a job. With just over half the kids in this country graduating from high school the future looks blead indeed.


-Robert
 

ScottyB

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Construction is way, way down. My dad sells electrical wholesale to contractors, electricians, etc, etc and they are all bitching about the low amount of work.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ScottyB
Construction is way, way down. My dad sells electrical wholesale to contractors, electricians, etc, etc and they are all bitching about the low amount of work.

Well I would suggest they move here to Georgia where Banks are still giving away money to developers to make empty new houses (oh sorry the AT Experts call them "Unsold Homes") and subdivisions everywhere until there is no land left to develope but you can't speak English to get the jobs.

Biggest develpor in my area Broughton Cochran is now filling in the Mountainside on each side of me with two subdivsions being built at the same time. He just broke ground by bulldozing every tree in site for 189 acres. 225 Houses are going in where the Deer once called home, they are now scattering all over our yards and the roads.

The other subdivision he started 3 months ago is already 1/3 done and it will be 135 Houses.

I told the County they should rename the area from Chestnut Mountain to Cochranville.


 

Ornery

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Who knows the market better than the people who work it on a regular basis?
  • Atlanta continues to strive with beautiful homes and constant building. Compared to other large cities, Atlanta home markets are robust and strong.

    The home market is historically very strong in the Atlanta area. The strength of our economy in this wonderful city continues to bring new business and families to our community. The job market continues to improve with many new opportunities...

    Metro Atlanta is definitely a buyer's market and rates are still very low. Given this combination, 2003 is an excellent time to grab your new home! There is not a lot available in new home construction, but the existing home market has a lot to...
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Who knows the market better than the people who work it on a regular basis?
  • Atlanta continues to strive with beautiful homes and constant building. Compared to other large cities, Atlanta home markets are robust and strong.

    The home market is historically very strong in the Atlanta area. The strength of our economy in this wonderful city continues to bring new business and families to our community. The job market continues to improve with many new opportunities...

    Metro Atlanta is definitely a buyer's market and rates are still very low. Given this combination, 2003 is an excellent time to grab your new home! There is not a lot available in new home construction, but the existing home market has a lot to...

Yep, like I said the Rich Boys have been giving away money to their fellow Rich Boy Developers like mad.

Yep, a buyers market if there was any buyers with money and jobs to buy the houses.
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Jhhnn

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What a putz!

Thanks. I'm not sure exactly what you expected, posting some pollyanna spin on your own unsuccessful job quest, then backing it up with empty anti-union rhetoric in the same thread. Basically, what you're saying is that in order to get a job, folks will have to settle for less, and that's a strong economy.

Somehow, that seems contradictory, at least from my pea-brained pov... I'll agree that the first part is accurate, however, so you're at least half-right.

As for your current method of making a living, I'm curious if it includes things like healthcare, or a pension, or if you or your employer are paying the full range of applicable taxes- you know, SS, Medicare, State and Federal income tax, workmen's comp, stuff like that... Lots of small-time and subcontract construction is basically under the table in that set of terms, for good reason- it really doesn't pay all that well if you're carrying your fair share of the burden...

I'll agree with chess9 at a certain level- lots of youngsters don't seem to have much of a work ethic, or think that work should offer some level of fulfillment that few of us ever get. Even in the best of times, there are a lot of sh!tty jobs out there, unfortunately. Gotta eat, gotta pay the bills, feed the kids, try to put them in a position were their lives might be an improvement over our own. Whole different perspective from being a young guy with no responsibilities...