My Evolving Political Beliefs and The Republican Party

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  1. loki8481

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    the Supreme Court really just needs to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act and call it a day.

    I'd be fine with leaving gay marriage up to the states, but DOMA mandating that the Federal government can't recognize same-sex marriage just causes way too many issues (benefits for federal employees, being able to get a green card for an immigrant spouse, any kind of custody/divorce issue that crosses state borders, etc..)
     
  2. Atreus21

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    I think the republicans are right to hold the line against any tax increases. When we're running trillion dollar yearly deficits, I don't see how the government can make the argument that it deserves to have its allowance increased.

    Mostly agree.

    It is already a state issue. To me that's not the problem. The problem lies in that the left draws no distinction between opposition to gay marriage and hating gay people. The last thing they do is take the opposition seriously.

    I'm sure many on the left are happy to keep it a state issue. As long as the right keeps its mouth shut.

    Entirely agree, and if we could get within 200 miles of this in policy it would be a 3000% improvement. It is the left who is extreme on abortion, tolerating not the slightest restriction at the federal level.

    Agree.

    Agree, except for tax increases.

    Agree.
     
  3. Matt1970

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    That's pretty well in line with my beliefs. I am a little more pro-abortion and gay marriage though. Repealing the 250K Bush tax cuts will only bring in another 100K in revenue so drastic spending cuts are in order.
     
  4. Fayd

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    The point of EITC is to effectively replace other methods of welfare distribution. it promotes people becoming productive members of society, getting their asses OFF welfare.

    we need to eliminate long term welfare (short term is fine. maybe 3-6 month?) and have EITC for longer term help. (3 years maybe?)

    the point of EITC is that it promotes activity, not laziness. leave it in.

    Health insurance mandate without a public option is an absolutely fucked up idea. a public option on the other hand creates a huge unbalance and will result in long lines and economized care. both ways are fucked. the system we have now is fucked. no good options exist.

    agree with you there.

    people here illegally shouldn't get the advantages that citizenship grants. legal residents maybe, but not citizens.


    that's enough responses.

    Basically, in its making allies of special interest groups and seeking to satisfy longtime allies (the religious right, for example) the republican party has alienated the potential electorate and any chance they had of holding the presidency until they learn to change their platform.
     
  5. Svnla

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    I want to go a step further. Pick the BEST of the BEST out of those ILLEGALS and those that could fulfill our country needs can stay but they HAVE to go to the back of the line AND stay out of trouble, pay all back taxes and fees in the meanwhile.

    The rest (uneducated, no skill, can't speak English) can go back on their own. We do not need to spend a dime if we have the gut to enforce our current immigration law (no employment, no housing, no school for ILLEGALS).

    Oh, revoke the Anchor Baby amendment while we are at it.

    As I said several times before in other threads, we must open our doors to the smart folks around the world to come in and they could create the next Google/Yahoo/Intel/PayPal (those are companies that are found/co found by LEGAL immigrants), not more peasants to compete with our citizens for menial jobs.
     
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    This is the reason Republicans will always be wacko. How much is the budget of PBS that it is even worthy of discussion. My gosh, focus energy on things that matter like tax subsidies for oil companies. There is always some dogma republicans rally behind without even an understanding of why.
     
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    wasted money is wasted money. No matter how large or small.
     
  8. nehalem256

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    The EITC is essentially welfare under a Republican approved name.

    Really the whole safety net needs to be change to stop rewarding people for popping out children they cannot afford.

    Yeah because Democrats do not have special interest groups.

    Women
    LGBT
    Blacks
    Illegal immigrants
    Unions

    In fact I believe Barack Obama had a whole list of the special groups he supports on his website.
     
  9. JEDIYoda

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    your position is one that just keeps on giving to us Democrats.....
     
  10. jackstar7

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    Like a couple others, I'd only really offer the critique that even mentioning NPR/PBS/NEA is a losing issue. I know lots of people think they are a waste or should have to compete in the market, but it's just a mistake to even bother going after them. The amount of money it would "save" ignores the value that it delivers to the public and politicizes things like Sesame Street, which as we just saw, is not an issue with vast support.

    Building a platform on the big battles and issues is vastly more appealing than looking like a bully to the nerds who make This American Life and Masterpiece Theater.
     
  11. Fayd

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    No, I fully agree with that. that wasn't my point.

    If we agree that a safety net needs to exist (in some form)(it probably should), then the incentivizing nature of EITC makes it a superior form of welfare to standard welfare. besides, it's cheap as hell to implement.

    i'm well aware of that. and democrats have so effectively convinced each of their special interest groups that what's good for one is good for another, and any attack on any of them is an attack on all of them.

    i had a point, but i'm too lazy to finish it.
     
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    Anyone wanting to cut PBS must not have kids. Being able to put something on television for my child without him getting exposed to a barrage of advertisements for plastic junk and junk food cereal is worth far more than the 1 jet fighter plane a year that money would otherwise buy.
     
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    worth so much you'd be willing to pay for it from a private company? :hmm:
     
  14. emperus

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    Turn off Fox news. PBS gets around 225 million a year. The oil companies get subsidies worth around 4 billion a year. One F-22 jet costs 143 million, not including the cost of research and development.

    But that is only a cost analysis. We are not talking about the benefits of PBS in terms in early education and child growth.

    It's just a colossally stupid thing to be anchored to when you are making a post of your core republican beliefs.
     
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    You do know that the government funding primarily goes to support stations in rural areas. While we are at it why don't we cut off funding for libraries.
     
  16. child of wonder

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    Unfortunately, the money given away via EITC is used on big screen TVs, rims, etc. and not on daily needs and necessities by many who qualify for it.

    I'd prefer we eliminate it and reform welfare to make it temporary and provide an emphasis on empowering those that use it to better themselves. If they fail to do so and the aid runs out they'll just have to seek help from private charities.
     
  17. RampantAndroid

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    :( I agree with most of your post...I'd like to see jobs created by going up some on military spending and/or doing spending on NASA again - in hopes those would create new jobs.

    But all in all, I'm a republican in many ways, but I am sick of hearing about abortion and gay marriage too...
     
  18. blackangst1

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    I also agree with the majority of what you've stated. Although I disagree with the position on Obamacare-I think it needs to be repealed and rewritten.

    As far as immigration goes, I also agree we need to speed up the process for legal immigrants (I also immigrated my wife), but my stance on illegals is 1. they should be banned from ever becoming legal, and 2. instead of tackling the issue from the offender side (the illegals themselves) go after those who support them. Put in HARSH punishment for businesses and companies who are found to employ them, up to and including revoking business licenses. And for God's sake ENFORCE current laws. No more shelter cities.

    But overall I dont think your views are extreme.
     
  19. jackstar7

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    Please read this: http://www.chicagofed.org/digital_a...tives/2008/ep_2qtr2008_part2_goodman_etal.pdf

     
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    What did they qualify as "bills?" Do they consider credit cards "bills?" I have a friend with 3 kids who receives nearly a $7,000 refund every year thanks, in part, to EITC. He uses it to pay his credit card debt that he's racked up throughout the previous year buying video games, electronics, or hand guns that catch his eye.
     
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    Yes, someone with those policies would have given Obama a run for his money. The real issue is that the republican brand has been tainted so extremely by first Bush, and then the Tea Party, that I don't know if people will ever trust them again. How can you argue for a moderate position when your party has refused to compromise on anything, putting party before the very nation they are supposed to represent?
     
  23. jackstar7

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    Overlooked the transportation part, hmm?
     
  24. buckshot24

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    Oil subsidies are a tiny fraction of the budget. Are you wacko?
     
  25. child of wonder

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    No, merely wondering about the "bills" part.

    Transportation for those with lower income is a great thing. However, I'm not sure a tax credit they can spend carte blanche is the answer for that specific problem. I'd think better public transportation would be of a greater help.