My ECS experience

Daovonnaex

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Copied and pasted from a thread in General Hardware, I felt that this deserved its own thread in this forum.

I had a rather poor experience with an ECS KS75A approximately a month prior to this time. A friend of mine desired a new computer, but for a very low

price. The ECS seemed like a fine value, so I decided on it. I had heard that it had some issues, but I dismissed these as the errors of incompetent

builders. Unfortunately, the KS75A proved me wrong. The case was a simple Antec SX635, so there were neither case nor power issues. I used a 900MHz

Duron and a Millenium Glaciator II (great HSF, quiet, small, and good cooling). For the memory, I placed a single Kingston 256mb PC2100 DIMM in one of the

DDR slots. It was a tight fit, so I used contact lubricant (which is proven safe, and I've never had an issue with it). The graphics card was an old Voodoo 5

5500 I had lying around, which as we all know, had no quality issues in any way. As for sound, I used a Philips Rhythmic Edge--great card, superb quality.

Every time I tried to start the system, I encountered one of the following problems: the system would either fail to post, fail to give a video signal, or simply

refuse to power up. I then began a roulette of component interchanging that proved time consuming, frustrating, and disappointing. I tried changing the

CPU to an Athlon Thunderbird 1.2GHz, a Duron 600MHz, an Athlon XP2000+, and an Athlon MP1900+. I tried changing the memory to a Crucial DIMM, a

Mushkin DIMM, and Corsair DIMM. I tried changing the graphics card to a Matrox Millenium II, a Matrox G400, a Matrox G550 Dual Head, a GeForce 3 original,

a GeForce 3 Ti500, a Radeon DDR 64 VIVO, a Voodoo 3 3000, and an ATi FireGL 2. I tried changing the sound card to a Sound Blaster Live! Gold, an Aureal

Vortex SQ1500, an Aureal Vortex 2 SQ2500, a Hercules Game Theater XP, a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, a Philips Acoustic Edge, and no sound card. I changed

all of these configurations around, until every possibility had been tested. Nothing worked. I try modifying the capacitors and voltage regulators. Nothing

worked. To those of you skeptics who would question my ability, I tell to simply look at my current Athlon rig. I'm using a 350w peltier, a custom-built power

supply, and a custom hacked case. I don't think that ability is the issue. After this entire ordeal, I RMA'd the board to Newegg, and they promptly sent a

replacement. I built it to original configurations, and when it failed, I gave up on ECS. I really have to wonder why they deem themselves to be elite. I

returned this board, and then paid a bit more to get a Gigabyte GA-7DX+, which is, in all honesty, probably the most stable socket A mainboard ever sold

(ignoring the 686B south bridge issue with SB Live! cards, of course). I built that up with the original equipment, and it worked immediately. The $30

premium that it commanded was a cheap price to pay to avoid the issues that Elite Group foisted upon me.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear about the problem you had with ECS (I assume this is ECS K7S5A). Luckily, I didn't have any of all problems mentioned. If I were you, I wouldn't try any other brands after trying 2 brands... simply I can say that the mobo is DOA,.. just return it and get another one, no wasting time.

My experience with ECS: I have upgraded my sound card from SB live value to SB audigy, both of 'em works,.. also upgraded from Gforce2 MX400 to Gforce3 Ti200, no problems.... Actualy, I had problem with my generic memory at first, but then I upgraded it to Crucial PC133,... voila it works flawlessly, .. this afternoon I, again upgraded the memory to Generic PC2100 DDR, no hassles.. it works well,.. in facts, I get some significant extra scores in 3DBenchmark and twice faster memory bandwidth than using PC133 SDRAM (tested with Sisoft Sandra.

Again, the mobo sure is DOA. Glad to hear that you don't have any problem with Gigabyte,.. it's a good brand as well.
 

Regalk

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Exactly the same experience here with different components. I went further with several PS, different RAM (DDR/SDRAM) placed on a board with bare essentials etc etc - this is why I have condemned this board in several popular forums. I ended up breaking the second board in half and givin it to the dealer as a gift. And you think you were frustrated. Threw in the exact same components in an Epox 8KHA+ with an even weaker PS and has been working for 2 months trouble free from the get go.
 

Daovonnaex

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<< I'm so sorry to hear about the problem you had with ECS (I assume this is ECS K7S5A). Luckily, I didn't have any of all problems mentioned. If I were you, I wouldn't try any other brands after trying 2 brands... simply I can say that the mobo is DOA,.. just return it and get another one, no wasting time.

My experience with ECS: I have upgraded my sound card from SB live value to SB audigy, both of 'em works,.. also upgraded from Gforce2 MX400 to Gforce3 Ti200, no problems.... Actualy, I had problem with my generic memory at first, but then I upgraded it to Crucial PC133,... voila it works flawlessly, .. this afternoon I, again upgraded the memory to Generic PC2100 DDR, no hassles.. it works well,.. in facts, I get some significant extra scores in 3DBenchmark and twice faster memory bandwidth than using PC133 SDRAM (tested with Sisoft Sandra.

Again, the mobo sure is DOA. Glad to hear that you don't have any problem with Gigabyte,.. it's a good brand as well.
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It is a K7S5A, as I mentioned towards the top of my response. As for trying other brands, I've already tried many more than those two, so I guess I can't follow that advice.

On a positive note, I'm very glad that you have had no problems with your ECS K7S5A.



<< Exactly the same experience here with different components. I went further with several PS, different RAM (DDR/SDRAM) placed on a board with bare essentials etc etc - this is why I have condemned this board in several popular forums. I ended up breaking the second board in half and givin it to the dealer as a gift. And you think you were frustrated. Threw in the exact same components in an Epox 8KHA+ with an even weaker PS and has been working for 2 months trouble free from the get go. >>

It's a shame that you had similar problems, but I'm glad you could fix them with the EPoX. I've actually had a bad experience with EPoX. I was using an EPoX in my current configuration, but very high overclocking yielded some instability issues, so I switched to Soltek.
 

Daovonnaex

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<< with the way you overclock, I am not surprised. >>

Hey...EPoX shouldn't have gone and touted itself as having the ultimate overclocking solution if it can't handle me. Soltek is now king.
 

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all the fuzz and you never, ever even considered that the power supply might be the problem? 99 percent of the time it is,
no matter how great you think your stuff is.

The ECS boards don't have any requirements above what's specified, they just aren't as tolerant toward underperforming PSUs
as the twice as expensive boards are.

regards, Peter
 

Daovonnaex

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<< all the fuzz and you never, ever even considered that the power supply might be the problem? 99 percent of the time it is,
no matter how great you think your stuff is.

The ECS boards don't have any requirements above what's specified, they just aren't as tolerant toward underperforming PSUs
as the twice as expensive boards are.

regards, Peter
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Given that the Antec PSU worked with the Gigabyte GA-7DX+, I definitely wouldn't fault the PSU, especially since the system technically powered up much of the time. I don't see why the PSU would work with the Gigabyte and not with the ECS. That doesn't make sense at all. Especially given that it was an Antec PSU, not some piece of crap.
 

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<< all the fuzz and you never, ever even considered that the power supply might be the problem? 99 percent of the time it is,
no matter how great you think your stuff is.

The ECS boards don't have any requirements above what's specified, they just aren't as tolerant toward underperforming PSUs
as the twice as expensive boards are.

regards, Peter
>>



My equation:

ECS K7S5A + top-of-the line PSU for this whiny board+ top-of-the line memory costs equal to or greater than good mobo + ordinary PSU + ordinary RAM
 

Daovonnaex

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<<

<< all the fuzz and you never, ever even considered that the power supply might be the problem? 99 percent of the time it is,
no matter how great you think your stuff is.

The ECS boards don't have any requirements above what's specified, they just aren't as tolerant toward underperforming PSUs
as the twice as expensive boards are.

regards, Peter
>>



My equation:

ECS K7S5A + top-of-the line PSU for this whiny board+ top-of-the line memory costs equal to or greater than good mobo + ordinary PSU + ordinary RAM
>>

I only use the best PSUs. The memory was good memory, but hardly THE best. I would rate Corsair and Mushkin higher (but not Crucial) than Kingston.
 

ssanches

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<<

I returned this board, and then paid a bit more to get a Gigabyte GA-7DX+, which is, in all honesty, probably the most stable socket A mainboard ever sold

(ignoring the 686B south bridge issue with SB Live! cards, of course). I built that up with the original equipment, and it worked immediately. The $30

premium that it commanded was a cheap price to pay to avoid the issues that Elite Group foisted upon me.
>>



It's good you too went the gigabyte way, like Jerboy. IMHO the 7DX is really one stable platform!! It was one of the first 760boards out there. When it first came out, it only supported a 200mhz FSB (GA-7DXC I think). Gigabyte worked with AMD to bring out this board really quickly. Infact AMD uses this board in almost all of their reference systems for their PR's. Why would AMD use this board if it wasn't stable?? This board has at least 5 different variants (7DXC, DX, DX+, DXR, DXR+), plus many many PCB revisions for each variant. Heck, this mobo has been around for more time than any other DDR Socket-A mobo I've ever heard! Gigabyte uses good components, a 3-phase power supply/ comb filters, etc to ensure stability at 266FSB. I'm using a GA-7ZMMH mobo and it worked right out of the box with absolutely no problems. Very stable operations, just like all gigabyte mobos. Overclocking on my mobo is limited to FSB, but my AXP-1600 runs fine at 145*10.5 with a TT volcano-5 at 1.7750 Vcore. If folks are happy with a little overclocking, but prefer stability over everything else, they should give gigabyte mobos a second look.
 

amdavon

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I had a simialr experience with the ECS K7S5A boards. I had ordered 3 of them and had 2 pretested from one vendor for $9 each to avoid and DOA mbo's.
The board that I got without being tested installed perfectly with a Thunderbird 1.0, 30 gig WDigital hard drive, SBlaster Live card,PCTell AMR modem,32 mb Nvidia TNT2 Ultra card from Gigabyte and a 256 PC2100 stick from Crucial. I was using an ANtec KS282 case with the included 300 watt psupply.

No matter what I tried on the 2 boards that I tested, I could not get either one to ever post - I kept talking to ECS tech support and the tech support from the vendor and they all kept telling me I had to upgrade the psupply and memory.
When I explained to them that I used the same components for all 3 pc's that I was building, they implied that I did something wrong and to try different parts - this after I told them that I even took the parts that I now knew worked in the good system and tried in these boards and I still couldn't get a post!

I was finally able to rma the boards - got two new boards and both worked fine out of the box, with the same parts that I was told were not compatible with this board! This was a very frustrating experience as I too assumed that since I had paid the vendor to test the boards that they were in fact good. The only good thing here was the the vendor did cross ship me new boards although I was charged for them and had to wait for the credits to appear on my charge finally.
Would love some feedaback on the Gigabyte boards because after this experience would rather spend a little more and not have to pay for shipping charges and testing just to make sure I get a working mbo!
 

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I was finally able to rma the boards - got two new boards and both worked fine out of the box, with the same parts that I was told were not compatible with this board! This was a very frustrating experience as I too assumed that since I had paid the vendor to test the boards that they were in fact good. The only good thing here was the the vendor did cross ship me new boards although I was charged for them and had to wait for the credits to appear on my charge finally.
Would love some feedaback on the Gigabyte boards because after this experience would rather spend a little more and not have to pay for shipping charges and testing just to make sure I get a working mbo!
>>



My Gigabyte worked right out of the box with no hitch. My ECS was nuked in microwave since it wasn't any better after it was RMA'ed once and I wasn't going to bother with it again.
 

Daovonnaex

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<< Would love some feedaback on the Gigabyte boards because after this experience would rather spend a little more and not have to pay for shipping charges and testing just to make sure I get a working mbo! >>

If you look at my rigs, "Whore of Babylon" has a Gigabyte GA-7DX+, and it's incredibly stable. This is Xeon-type stable, seriously. The only problem is the VIA 686B southbridge, so you might have issues with the SB Live!.
 

amdavon

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Sorry about the earlier reply - just wanted to say thanks for the feedback on the Gigabyte boards and for letting me vent on my ECS experience.
 

ssanches

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<< Sorry about the earlier reply - just wanted to say thanks for the feedback on the Gigabyte boards and for letting me vent on my ECS experience. >>



Gigabyte really makes a good line of socket-A mobos. If you go gigabyte, go for their senior models like the 7VTXH+, 7DXR+ which are feature rich ones. I went for a SDRam solution cause I had a lot of PC-133 lying around. Their 7ZMMH is also feature rich for a mATX board.

Hey, you can always vent out your bad experiences with any products. That's what forums are for ;) I too was nearly conned into buying the K7S5A (with lan+sound), the vendor said I would be spending a few $$s, but I put my foot firmly down and didn't listen to the vendor. Computer products should work out of the box. The manufacturers should trobleshoot their products; they shouldn't release crapware and make us folks do the troubleshooting :disgust:
 

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my experience:

GENERIC CASE
GENERIC 320W PSU (ie not amd-approved)
pny + kingston pc100/pc133 RAM
Abit Siluro MX200 video
Xp1700 chip.

running WITHOUT A HITCH.
 

LS20

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haha the ONE problem that I've had with it is that after i powered off, and try to power on, the fans would come on for a second or two and then die. then id have to toggle the power switch on the PSU, and try the power button again.


However, ive switched to a new outlet and its all good now. i attribute it to either the weak strip or Superlink powersupply
 

ssanches

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<< haha the ONE problem that I've had with it is that after i powered off, and try to power on, the fans would come on for a second or two and then die. then id have to toggle the power switch on the PSU, and try the power button again.


However, ive switched to a new outlet and its all good now. i attribute it to either the weak strip or Superlink powersupply
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As i said earlier, many users don't have time to waste on troubleshooting. For me (and many other users) stability and peace of mind are paramount. Price is secondary. Gigabyte , Asus, Epox and a few MSI mobos fulfil these conditions perfectly. I regard PC's as an invesemtent: you invest BOTH time and money. I really can't waste time troubleshooting if the manufacturers have not done it at their end! :disgust: Also like Jerboy said, it's better to buy a good mobo and an average PS and Ram and cut your losses. Either way you'll be spending the same, be it a cheap ECS mobo or another good mobo.
 

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3 ECS MB's with no problems. I did have to use a specific raid card cuz the EPOX raid card didnt wanna run with the K7S5A
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Regalk

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I wish I had taken a picture of my broken KCrap7crap5crapScrapA for these forums. ECS did one on us and as I said so many times before (at www.ocworkbench.com and www.AMDMB.com) where is the logic in buying a $1 motherboard and then buying expensive components for it incl. say a 450W PS!! Makes no sense!