My dream car guidelines.

VIAN

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Intro

Basically, this is and optimistic view of what I want in a car - my dream car. If I ever buy a car, I'll try to get as close to these guidlines I can. It includes some speculation. I just wanted to know what you guys think about it. The car is supposed to be the most effecient car to my tailoring - efficient in all senses of it. Meaning: No excessives of any kind, other than possibly safety.

I've made a few changes in the guidelines. The biggest change was platform choice of RWD over FWD. I know from a fun standpoint, RWD is the way to go, but my previous decision to include FWD was safety in the snow, but since then, I've read otherwise. And it made more sense: If you break with the engine with RWD, it's safer than FWD. If you try it with FWD, the back wheels would spin faster than the front and a fishtail would happen. I'm not too sure on the physics of this, but I'm sure the possibility is there. With RWD, there is no possibility.



Car Goals

-Reliability
-Fuel Efficient
-Sporty Handling & Acceleration
-Comfort
-Safety



Guidelines

The car's length should be about 170 - 190 inches maximum range, but about 180 inches is favorable. This makes the car easier to park and maneuver through traffic at high speed or during traffic jams.

The weight of the car should be 2500 - 3500 lbs maximum range, but staying under 3200 lbs is favorable. This keeps the gas mileage up because a less powerful engine is needed to get desirable acceleration.

A naturally aspirated engine with 14 - 16 lbs/hp acceleration. No turbo/superchargers since they may add maintenance, price, complexity, and weight to the car. They also don't provide low end power without increasing complexity and indefinitely require premium fuel, which adds to the cost.

20 mpg minimum for city/combined is a must. My Toyota Corrolla gets 29 mpg combined. I'm willing to sacrifice 9 mpg to get better acceleration. But would rather keep 14-16lbs/hp with greater than 20mpg city/combined.

RWD is more favorable because it's more fun to drive and safer when stopping on snow.

The car must have average reliability, fun handling, comfortable ride and be very safe. Safety includes all types of airbags, ABS, outside visibility and stability control.

A 4 door car is favorable because, not only does it save money on insurance, but it's more comfortable for the driver when passengers need to get to the back seats.

It is more favorable to get a car that accepts regular fuel without degrading performance. However, sometimes, you can't get away from a good car accepting only premium fuel.

Leather seats are more favorable because it houses less dust. This options isn't available on all cars, but it's not a total loss. Get it if it's available.

Keep rims at size stock.




Weight to Power Ratio

This is expressed in lbs/hp. The following shows how fast each rating can accelerate from 0 ? 60 MPH.

lbs/hp | seconds
10.0 = 5
12.5 = 6
15.0 = 7
17.5 = 8
20.0 = 9
 

Koing

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-Fuel Efficient
-Sporty Handling & Acceleration

Then you get 22mpg! That is a pathetic fuel economy for a car. You'd have to thrash the hell out of it to get that sort of mileage unless you have a huge engine in there.

Koing
 

letdown427

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Dude, I can't believe that's your DREAM car. Are you a woman? Metrosexual?

22mpg is also p!sspoor.

I mean, jeez, mine would be:

1. V8 + RWD
2. Somewhere to sit
 

imported_Valdez

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DREAM car should be -

1. V8, V10 or V12
2. 350bhp+ (at LEAST!!!)
3. RWD (maybe 4WD depending on where u r, like ice driving etc)
4. coloured black
 

VIAN

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A V8 would cripple fuel economy in the city. 22mpg city/combined is the average of most of the cars that I've looked at who can do 14-16lbs/hp. Take the Civic Si - 23mpg city. Sure it's a freakin fast car, getting about 14 lbs/hp, but it only comes in coupe and and it probably doesn't have the comfort and quality materials that I'm looking for. After all it's still a Civic. And it need Premium fuel. Can you find mileage better than that with 14-16lbs/hp.

RWD, I haven't tried, although I want to. My ideas are based on a bunch of internet research, but the fact is that it is easier to spin out in a RWD car... I thought that FWD cars were safer to stop on snow, but I just read something that says the opposite, so I may change to RWD. Then that would leave me with the BMW 328i sedan. TBD mpg. And I'd have to give up some reliability. It may be worth it.
 

tersome

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Originally posted by: letdown427
Dude, I can't believe that's your DREAM car. Are you a woman? Metrosexual?

22mpg is also p!sspoor.

I mean, jeez, mine would be:

1. V8 + RWD
2. Somewhere to sit
QFT. If you've gotta have something like that, though, get a lotus elise. Fvck 4 doors.
 

imported_Valdez

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Yeah, FWD are probably safer, but it depends on how good a driver you are. If you're good, RWD is by far the way to go, as you can control the car far better. As for "spinning out", with todays traction control systems etc that's not much of an issue, (unless you have like, 300hp with no TC on slicks in rain, haha). Course it all depends on your preferences; personally though I would go for something like a BMW 3.28 if that's what you've been looking at. They're RWD, great handling and performing cars, very reliable (as long as the servicing is done right) and very safe. I've personally driven a 3.28 but it was a coupe, but that was fantastic fun to drive and the fuel economy is OK, don't know the numbers though, sorry.

Maybe have a look at something similar in an Audi?? (A4 for example).
That get's a yes on pretty much everything on your list... Nice choice of engine's too.
 

b0mbrman

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Well there's your problem.

A single dream car tries to be too many things at once.

The best car to drive through a twisty canyon is not the best car to take grocery shopping with 3 friends is not the best car to drive alone to work in traffic every day.
 

Fenixgoon

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audi A4 has a 2.0 turbo and it has something like 90% of its torque available from 2500RPM-~5kish, IIRC. well designed systems return proper performance and throttle response
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well there's your problem.

A single dream car tries to be too many things at once.

The best car to drive through a twisty canyon is not the best car to take grocery shopping with 3 friends is not the best car to drive alone to work in traffic every day.

...Although an MR2 does a pretty good job at all of those, except for the 3 friends of course.:D