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Rant My broadband upgrade

This has been so frustrating.

In the UK, British Telecom (the former state-owned company that controls the traditional phone network and by extension most of the Internet infrastructure) has been pushing to get the traditional copper-wire phone network closed down and for everyone who wants/needs landlines to move on to digital services, so for at least a couple of years my ISP and BT have been nagging me to upgrade my broadband / landline (my landline is my primary point of contact for my business).

I've been putting it off because I've had a fair amount of anxiety over "what if they screw it up and I'm without my landline / business phone number", combined with various customers' experiences that suggest to me that plenty of digital voice migrations have not gone according to plan. After receiving another nag e-mail from my ISP, I decide to get on with it and it would be better to do it sooner rather than wait for the undefined "last minute". During the ordering process, I made it clear via e-mail to my ISP that it's essential that I keep my phone number for my business. At another point in the process, a form that they want me to sign has the phone number as "unlisted", I point this out and they basically said don't worry about that, that's just a quirk of the system.

About a week or so before the broadband upgrade activation date, I started seeing weird issues with broadband connectivity, like web pages not loading properly first time, unlikely "connection refused" messages, etc. Ping tests suggested anywhere between 5-50% packet loss (though I think the problem got progressively worse). As my desktop PC is connected to the router via a network switch followed by mains networking (4 adapters in total throughout the house), I realised that there were plenty of points of failure. So while I was worrying about whether the broadband upgrade and the phone line migration is going to go right, I was dealing with this too and wondering if it's related. I was also trying things like power-cycling the mains networking adapters as they seemed like the likeliest point of failure; after that the problem would seemingly go away for a bit then come back.

Along came broadband activation day, the BT engineer showed up and insisted that the point of entry into the house had to change to another room which throws the wifi reception out of kilter too and puts my office in the furthest corner of the house from the Internet connection point of entry (it used to be directly above). The new broadband took just long enough to activate that I was on the phone to my ISP when it suddenly kicked in about 30 minutes after switching the router on, but the phone hadn't migrated (I had a handset plugged into the original socket and one plugged in to the router's "I can handle an analog handset in this socket via an adapter" feature). I asked my ISP about that and they said give it a couple of hours.

A couple of hours later and my original landline stopped working and the new landline didn't work. They said wait until 7:45 that evening (I found out later that that time is 15 minutes before their tech department closed for the day, on a Friday), come 8PM it still didn't work. I spoke to them on Saturday morning, they said that they would have to refer it to the migrations department which is closed until Monday.

The connectivity issues were still intermittent on my PC and I was trying various things like swapping out adapters as some were seemingly unaffected by what I was seeing in my office.

Come Monday, my ISP admitted that they had bungled the order and that the request to migrate the number hadn't happened, so that would be a week of my business without its primary point of contact. A week later, I had to ring them again and they pressed the "activate" button apparently at which point I could make and receive phone calls, however not everyone could ring me. I e-mailed them and let them know of the latest problem. They're now investigating that after I fulfilled their request to supply three landline numbers that have tried to ring my line, what the message was that they received and what dates/times these happened.

Back to the connectivity issue in my office - at some point I decided to focus on the network switch and unplugged it for a minute and reconnected it, which again seemed to solve the problem for a time. I convinced my wife to let me run a 30-metre network cable through the house to give me a direct connection to the router and at the same time I bought a new gigabit network switch. I found this morning that bypassing my mains networking adapter hasn't helped so I've installed the new switch. Fingers crossed!

On the plus side, since running that new cable through the house, my computer now gets ~500mbit/sec download and I downloaded the Win11 25H2 US ISO in about 2 minutes 🙂 (I have both the English International ISO and the US ISO because the former is what I normally need but often OEM installs are US)
 
you could have asked before going ahead.

for business uses that are not corporate level, Virgin Business is way better than BT. (i worked for both)
BT really should only be used if you're cabling up an entire office building. They have a list of problems long enough that i will just not get into it, too long.

As for the cable, i am disappointed that you didn't do that already. This is after all, a tech enthusiasts forum, ethernet is king.
 
@DigDog

My ISP isn't BT (I'm keeping quiet on which one it is until my complaint runs its course), and up until this experience I would have recommended them without hesitation as I've been with them for over twenty years and several house moves. Is Virgin Business really the diamond in the rough that is the Virgin empire? I've encountered various Virgin empire companies and my impression is I wouldn't tough them with a barge pole 🙂 e.g. one of my customers has a Virgin bank account of some sort that can't be accessed via their website, only through the app!

At the speeds I was getting on my old broadband setup, I was getting identical results via mains networking and it has been reliable, so why bother running a wire. Even the ping stats on full fibre to my ISP's ping test server are the same compared to the new wire.

The only thing that was a mild niggle about the mains networking was that I bought gigabit class adapters to replace the previous elderly second-hand set I had been using, and the throughput to my server on the same LAN via two of these adapters was a bit faster but nowhere near gigabit speeds, but until I changed broadband that hardly bothered me as I don't do much in the way of large transfers to my local server. Since the broadband upgrade though I was hitting about 150mbit/sec max which prompted me to consider alternative solutions.
 
Yep, FWIW given the current situation. I guess if my ISP has no solid, confident plan on Monday to fix this, I'll change my advertising over to my mobile number.
Is that something a dual sim would be good for? I have a hard time finding a good use for a line that's bolted to a wall. Being able to have two numbers on one device would be fantastic.
 
Is that something a dual sim would be good for? I have a hard time finding a good use for a line that's bolted to a wall. Being able to have two numbers on one device would be fantastic.
I have a dual sim for work and we have lindlines at work, so my office and cell phone ring at the same time it's work related.
 
Dual SIM - I've considered it so I could combine my work/personal mobile phone into one, but I've tried to find information about whether I can easily keep work and personal separate on the same phone. For example, I would want to choose which SIM to make an outgoing call with and/or categorise contacts so that if I call a contact in a category that it automatically uses SIM x.

With the digital landline I have an app that allows me to answer landline calls on my mobile while on that network (which gives me for example speakerphone, my landline handsets don't have that), but also it allows me to answer a call with the app then the line can accept another incoming call that I could let go to the answering machine.

Another reason why I don't like the digital landline in principle is that my ISP says "use this router for digital voice" and their stance regarding alternate routers is "YMMV" basically. At some point I'm sure their latest router will be rubbish, or say for example if my router starts having problems then it potentially takes out my landline and my local-server-provided online services (my websites, my hosted mail)... not great.

The main reason why I've stuck with the landline all these years is that my hearing isn't 100% and the mobile signal isn't 100% here either, whereas the landline has always been as clear as a bell (no complaints about the digital landline). It gives me maximum potential to understand what my customers are saying first time.
 
My landline is decoupled from my ISP. My ISP bills me for it and set it up but it's managed by a different company and uses a box that connects to my router using a network cable.
I'm hoping that that will mean that if I do have to change ISPs I shouldn't have to do anything with my phone line.
 
@DigDog
Is Virgin Business really the diamond in the rough that is the Virgin empire?
it's less bad. it's noticeably less bad.

to make a very long story short, BT has an agreement with the UK government that dates back TO THE WAR and they sit on this as essentially it makes BT unreplaceable.

Virgin does not have this and as such they have to actually provide services to remain afloat.

BT has shifted most of their "brain" to Openreach, and the active parts of BT that maintain your home (which includes business for anyone who doesn't have a £millions contract with Openreach) is completely decrepit; they are literally run by a bunch of 60-year-olds that still use filing cabinets and legacy systems that are beyond horrendous.

Just so that we're clear, even if you see Openreach printed on your statement somewhere, you're *not* a Openreach customer. Openreach contracts are the sort that someone with 3000 VOIP lines gets, not a medium business.

BT also mostly makes money from television, landlines, mobiles, etc and they spend it all on maintaining a failing infrastructure, which they MUST by law, rather than modernizing.

Virgin is just .. younger. Virgin home is generally decent, and will do well for a small business, but Virgin Business is generally on point, meaning that if there is a fault on a line, they will send someone out and that someone will FIX THE GODDAMN LINE. Instead BT will send someone out who will falsify the report (if they even show up) and say they have fixed it.
I have known of BT running DSL on OVERHEAD TELEPHONE CABLES. Remember those old wooden telephone poles we see on Road Runner cartoons?

Also Virgin tries to own its own lines, when instead many other providers use lines that are owned by someone else who is actually just renting them from BT. There are providers in London that give you internet on lines which they rent from another brand, which in turn rents from BT.
 
I have known of BT running DSL on OVERHEAD TELEPHONE CABLES. Remember those old wooden telephone poles we see on Road Runner cartoons?

My optical fibre cable comes from the nearest telegraph pole. I believe Virgin are doing the same around here.
 
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