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lupi

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It sounds like this year the pack pushed him hard to make an early decision which lead to the retirement press conference.

If he does reinstate himself, there is little chance they can just bench him. He's got a 3/$39 contract left which puts a cap hit of over 12 million. With the average football joe making like 450k, that's a lot more than 1 body the pack would need to cut from the roster to add him.

And if everyone knows they are going to get rid of him (by not immdediately putting him as starter) the return trade value is going to be way low. Combined with Favre under no obligation to restructure his contract, the new team would face the same problem after an undesired trade.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't know. It seems the Bucs are a "hot" team to land him, but I don't really see it. They already have Garcia - yes, Favre is better than Garcia, but they're practically opposites as far as style goes. They would have to completely redesign the offense from the ground up to accomodate Favre, and I think it's too late in the game for them to be doing that.

That makes sense. Yes, like you said I heard it on the radio, I didn't come up with that myself. I don't have cable in Austin so I didn't even know he retired until he came back.
 

redgtxdi

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Knock, knock!!


"Hey Brett! Tanya Harding's at the door! She says she has something for you!"


:cool:
 

Agentbolt

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What the hell? I'll admit I'm clueless about football, but if he's retired, why don't they just release him from his contract? Salary cap issues = gone. If the concern is that he'll go play for another team, if he's good enough that he'd make such a difference there, why not just let him start for his current team?

In baseball, when you retire, that's it, contract's over. They don't have to pay you and you can go do whatever you want. At least, that's my understanding. Seems like the Packers can make a lot of their problems go away by simply releasing a guy who doesn't really want to be there anymore anyway.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
What the hell? I'll admit I'm clueless about football, but if he's retired, why don't they just release him from his contract? Salary cap issues = gone. If the concern is that he'll go play for another team, if he's good enough that he'd make such a difference there, why not just let him start for his current team?

In baseball, when you retire, that's it, contract's over. They don't have to pay you and you can go do whatever you want. At least, that's my understanding. Seems like the Packers can make a lot of their problems go away by simply releasing a guy who doesn't really want to be there anymore anyway.

No, that would be stupid. Why would you just let him go and play for a rival? Do you think Ted Thompson really wants to see Brett Favre in a Bears or Vikings uniform? They're division rivals! Favre is under contract. If he wants to play for the team, he can play for the team - and the coaching staff can determine whether or not he starts or rides the bench. If he wants to play somewhere else, he can either be traded, or he can stomp his feet like a gray haired child.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
What the hell? I'll admit I'm clueless about football, but if he's retired, why don't they just release him from his contract? Salary cap issues = gone. If the concern is that he'll go play for another team, if he's good enough that he'd make such a difference there, why not just let him start for his current team?

In baseball, when you retire, that's it, contract's over. They don't have to pay you and you can go do whatever you want. At least, that's my understanding. Seems like the Packers can make a lot of their problems go away by simply releasing a guy who doesn't really want to be there anymore anyway.

If they release him then they wouldn't owe against the cap for future money required to be paid if he has a guarentee (at least I'm pretty sure), but previous money paid must all be accounted for in this year. Say he is under the third year of a six year deal and was given a 25 million signing bonus. Since the contract was for 6 years, then the cap hit was only 4 something million a year. So after year three they've only accounted for 13 million of the bonus against the cap and if they release him they still have the remaining 12 million for the 3 years that won't now get fulfilled.
 

lupi

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ESPN now reporting that Favre has informed the Packers that he will be showing up to training camp this Sunday, 7/27.

Should make a very interesting weekend to see whose bluff is called first.
 

lupi

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Holycrap.

The pack has given permission to the Jets to speak with Favre about a trade

:)

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Let me keep dreaming for a moment ;)
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: lupi
Holycrap.

The pack has given permission to the Jets to speak with Favre about a trade

:)

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Let me keep dreaming for a moment ;)

maybe the J E T S won't be struuguling

i want to kiss you
 

Homerboy

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Originally posted by: Citrix
screw farve. its time he left and let some new blood find some glory.

no no... he's clearly stated his opinion at this time that he is above the team. Talk about fucking up your legacy... what a damned idiot

Honestly, the Packers should just keep him on. Hell of a bench QB (though expensive)> and if Rodgers fails or get hurt you got Favre. (though obviously this scenario doesn't work as he'd be beyond a distraction).

Hell the PLAYERS have said he shouldn't be coming back and they don't want him back.
 

Homerboy

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Originally posted by: Deeko
I like Brett Favre less and less as time is going on.

So do COUNTLESS loyal Favre and Packer fans in WI.
EVERY newspaper article written is against him. Nearly anyone you talk to says he's retarded. I love Favre. Always will. But now... well... now he's shown his true colors.
 

Deeko

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They can afford it. I say don't trade him, if he wants to come back make him play 3rd string - behind Rodgers AND Brohm, in the "emergency" role. See how long he stays unretired.
 

Homerboy

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Originally posted by: Deeko
They can afford it. I say don't trade him, if he wants to come back make him play 3rd string - behind Rodgers AND Brohm, in the "emergency" role. See how long he stays unretired.

Agreed
Fantastic signature.
 

lupi

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There is about zero percent chance of them keeping favre as an active player on the bench.
 

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Originally posted by: Deeko
They can afford it. I say don't trade him, if he wants to come back make him play 3rd string - behind Rodgers AND Brohm, in the "emergency" role. See how long he stays unretired.

And then deal with the mutiny that would be packer fandom watching the greatest QB ever sit on the bench.
 

GenHoth

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God damn it, you'd leave a QB like him on the bench and we're still trying to coax Rex Grossman along? Fuck this
 

tboo

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Im betting the Packers will try to trade him before camp starts-they wont want the media circus that would happen if Favre shows up.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: tboo
Im betting the Packers will try to trade him before camp starts-they wont want the media circus that would happen if Favre shows up.

That's what we call "free advertising", why do you think Jerry Jones love media hogs like T.O. and Tony Romo? Coaches might hate it, but owners loves it.
 

lupi

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It's getting good here.


Brett Favre has signed his letter seeking reinstatement to the Green Bay Packers but may not send it to the NFL until Monday or Tuesday.

Favre admitted in a telephone interview that he did not report to the Packers' camp Sunday with the rest of the team in part because general manager Ted Thompson pleaded with him to delay his arrival.

Such is the drama that continues to build around Favre.

He offered to compete for his old job but was told that wasn't possible.

He admits he has spoken to Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress but says it wasn't tampering.

He's open to a trade but not just to the New York Jets or Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

He's hoping commissioner Roger Goodell can mediate the impasse that he has reached with the Packers.

"I asked Ted [Saturday], 'Am I welcome in the building if I report?' and Ted was just about shattered," said Favre in a telephone interview. "He said, 'Brett, you can't do that -- you'll get me fired.' I told him I'm not trying to get anybody fired. So Ted asked me to let the guys report and let's try to resolve this over the next two or three days."

Consequently, Favre did not fax a letter he has signed to request his reinstatement as an active player to the league office on Saturday. That did not sit well with Favre's wife Deanna or his agent, James "Bus" Cook.

"Deanna, Bus, everyone here [in Mississippi] says, 'You're so stupid, letting [the Packers] play you like this," said Favre. "They want me to get in there now. I may wait until Tuesday or so."


Nightmare Averted?

The Packers avoided their nightmare scenario when Brett Favre agreed not to report to camp Sunday, Kevin Seifert writes.

Favre said that Thompson wasn't receptive to the veteran quarterback winning his job back from Aaron Rodgers. He relayed his most recent conversation Saturday with the GM.

"I said, 'Let me compete, you'll know I'll win this job' and Ted said again, 'Brett, things have changed. Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback.' It's pretty clear -- and this is what I told the commissioner -- that they want me to go away, stay retired. They would much rather see me in a Packers' uniform, paying me $12 million to be a backup -- which you know they really don't want -- rather than see in another uniform, no matter what they say. They'll drag this out, asking a king's ransom [in a trade], hoping it all goes away."

Goodell has spoken to Favre twice, most recently on Saturday.

"Roger is willing to help but he has to be careful," said Favre. "I told him I could easily send in this letter [of reinstatement] but they really don't want me there and it'll be a big circus. They play this both ways. Privately, they don't want me there. Publicly, if I sent in the letter but didn't show up right away, they could always fine me or say, `See, why isn't he here? He really doesn't want to play.' Give me my release and see if I want to play or not."

It appears Tuesday is Favre's soft deadline to report to camp or possibly be traded. According to Favre, Thompson asked him if he was interested in a trade. "Yeah, but not just to the teams you want me to go to," Favre said, relaying his conversation with the Packers' GM.

The Packers have given permission to the New York Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers to talk to Favre. The Jets have had conversations with Cook but have not talked directly to Favre.

Favre would not admit that the Vikings are his preferred team of choice but he confirmed he has spoken with Childress and admitted as much to both Goodell and NFL director of security Milt Alherich. The Packers filed a tampering complaint against the Vikings.

"I have never denied talking to Childress," said Favre. "I've known [Childress] for about 12 years going back to when he and Jay Norvell were assistants at Wisconsin and they used to come in and sit in our quarterback meetings. And then Brad went to Philadelphia to be with Andy Reid and, you know, Andy and I are big buddies so the relations continued.

'Like I told Milt and like I told the commissioner, I've spoken to Childress. I've spoken to Darrell Bevell [Vikings offensive coordinator], I've spoken to Andy Reid, I've spoken to Mike Sherman, Matt Millen, Steve Mariucci ... I've spoken to a lot of guys who are my friends and guys who have coached me, either talked to them or left messages."

Favre claims that his communications with many of those coaches, including Childress, was a matter of seeing if it was within reason to change his mind about retirement.

"I called them and asked them, 'Am I crazy? Am I wrong for pushing this? Can I still play the game? Should I let it die? I mean, I think you know what the answer is. I can still play. I said it when I retired [in March]. Now I've had a change of heart about playing but I've always known I can still play."

Favre said Alherich asked him point-blank if Childress or anybody with the Vikings enticed him to play again.

"I told Milt, 'No, I wasn't [enticed],'" said Favre. "I told Milt and Roger Goodell that if talking to teams is tampering, then there's about seven-to-10 teams that are guilty of tampering. But Brad isn't going to try to entice me because he knows that even if he wanted me to play there, it's not going to happen. The Packers aren't going to let that happen.

"So Brad and I, yeah, we talk and we exchange text messages. The Packers know that. After we beat them last year, Brad sent me a text message, teasing me how a gray-haired quarterback could still play. And the Packers were aware of that because I shared a laugh with 'em about that."

Favre adamantly denied reports that the Packers had evidence of his communications with Childress because they had the phone records from Favre's team-issued cell phone.

"That's just bogus," said Favre. "I don't have a Packers' cell phone. Never have. I told Ted [on Thursday] that he and [coach Mike] McCarthy needed to clear up this cell phone thing. I told him they needed to get in front of the media and admit that I don't have one of their cell phones. And Ted said, 'Well, I think somebody already squashed that [story].' But that isn't enough. They need to get up and admit it's ridiculous and bogus."

Thompson did not immediately return a phone message to respond to Favre's version of the story.

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN
 

lupi

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Should see hard links out there soon, but Favre has just sent his letter in to NFL offices for reinstatement.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3509944

Consider the Packers backed up against their own goal line.

Brett Favre followed through on his statements that he wanted to come out of retirement by faxing his reinstatement letter to the NFL on Tuesday, a source close to the quarterback told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Favre's actions now force Packers general manager Ted Thompson to make a decision. Favre told Mortensen on Sunday that the GM had pleaded with the quarterback not to show up at camp on Sunday, so that the situation could be resolved.

"I asked Ted [Saturday], 'Am I welcome in the building if I report?' And Ted was just about shattered," Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, you can't do that -- you'll get me fired.' I told him I'm not trying to get anybody fired. So Ted asked me to let the guys report and let's try to resolve this over the next two or three days."

With no concrete movement in the past few days, Favre made his move. The Packers have publicly committed to Favre's backup from last season, Aaron Rodgers, however.

Favre has offered to compete for the starting job in training camp, but he said in Sunday's interview that he was told that is not an option.

"It's pretty clear -- and this is what I told the commissioner -- that they want me to go away, stay retired," Favre said.

The Packers have also looked into trading their former franchise quarterback, but nothing tangible has happened on that front either.

Favre retired in March after 16 season in the league as the all-time leader in touchdown passes with 442.
 

tboo

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: tboo
Im betting the Packers will try to trade him before camp starts-they wont want the media circus that would happen if Favre shows up.

That's what we call "free advertising", why do you think Jerry Jones love media hogs like T.O. and Tony Romo? Coaches might hate it, but owners loves it.

Not the Packers.
 

Kev

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Has this fool learned nothing from Michael Jordan and Jerry Rice? Just stay away. Lat season was a fluke.