You ignore the fact that non-unionized automakers in the US pay their employees at a higher rate to discourage unionization. Once those unions are gone, the incentive is gone.
Real wages have dropped in the US since 1973. Employers are dropping health coverage, have switched from defined benefit plans to 401k's...families now need 2 breadwinners...show some intellectual honesty.
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Ding! (Close enough anyway...)
Really, coming to the South has something to do with anti-union sentiment, but the business climate here is such that the southern states are giving away some pretty big tax breaks and incentives packages to attract those factories. Cheap land, abundant resources, cheap(er) labor, and easy access to South America via the ports of New Orleans, Mobile, Pensacola, etc. are all good reasons to locate to the South.
The push for unions in these areas isn't as strong simply because the pay the workers receive is "worth" more, dollar for dollar due to the lower cost of living. So while in absolute terms they don't get as much as their union counterparts up north, their standard of living is probably somewhat close. If there were separate unions for Southern auto workers, their demands would probably be much lighter to achieve the same standard of living.
And exactly what does any of what you just spewed have to do with Unions? You think pointing out issues within our markets means a union would have fixed it? The same thing is happening within the Union shops are a much more alarming rate.
And take some of your own medicine. If the UAW collapses what makes you think another entity wont rise from the ashes to represent those workers in foreign auto plants?
Enjoy the future. You'll be living the last stage of your life with a smiley face pin at walmart greeting all the customers. Corporations have killed America.
Where can I order the Kool Aid you guys drink - does it come in more than one flavor or just Strawberry-Bullshit?
Are you saying that corporations ARENT to blame for this current financial crisis?
they don't have sole blame, but they certainly are a key component
The better alternative is to repeal all RTW laws nationwide.
The workers should choose whether or not they want to keep out freeloaders from enjoying the benefits of their union.
The workers should choose whether or not they want to keep out freeloaders from enjoying the benefits of their union.
It's not slow, lazy, or inefficient to reward treating employees well, and exhibiting compassion. It is wretched and abysmal, however, to reward greed.
CADsortaGUY
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Not necessarily. In a RTW state you don't have to join a union and any REAL RTW state you do not have to contribute a dime. The problem is that the Unions want to be the only org in a company so they have to bargain for all. It's their choice to do so - they don't have to be exclusive(despite what the kool-aid drunk union thug apologists like Ferocious, barneyfife, and others claim).
IMO, in every state and company a person should be free to choose if they want to be in the union or not. If they choose not to - the union has no responsibility for them at all. THAT is what a real "right to work" situation would look like but the Unions want to prevent that for whatever reason.(likely because they would lose most of it's members)
CADsortaGUY
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Kill the fucking job bank already and make the members pay what everyone else in this country pays for their portion of employer provided health care coverage.
umbrella39
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I'm born and raised in Dearborn and can begin to tell you how many people in my family work or have already retired from Ford. Most of them know this to be the truth. I have an Uncle who has been in the job bank for most of the past 8 years and even he agrees at the very least the bank has to go if the Big 3 is to have any shot at reviving themselves. The robots didn't take over the lines so I hope we see the end of the job bank ASAP.
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at what point does a small business turn into a corporation
when stock is issued.
How many of the anti-business people work for private companies?
Most work for corporation that grew from a small company.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR
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