My adventure with Newegg.com and Visiontek video card....

Zoso4

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Well after input from this board I went with the Visiontek TI200 Video card. The best price I could find was from Newegg.com. Though I hate buying computer parts over the internet I decided to do this for I could not find this card in my area and was in need of it ASAP.

Well it started out good I was keeping track of the progress of my card with the tracking number Newegg.com gave me. It went out the same day I bought it and was much pleased. Well the next day I get up to find that my package was here in my city and was in route to my house. Yea... So a couple of hours go by and I look up the tracking to my dismay I find out that the package had the comments of address does not exsist returned to factory. So I called Fedx and they say that the driver said my address was not on his map so he returned it. They said I could come and pick it up and would refund me for my shipping for it was there error or could wait another day and they would ship it again. I wanted the card now so I went to pick it up. They said they would refund Newegg for the shipping and I would have to get credit from them.

So I call Newegg.com and was told that they could only credit half of the money I spent on overnight shipping. WTF? Well at this point I just said ok for I just wanted to install this new video card and see how it performs compared to my GF2 GTS. Well I procede to open package and find that one of the two heatsinks that go over the memory is just sitting in the static bag loose. :|

At this point I call Newegg.com back and after some discussion they tell me that I must ship the card back paying for shipping which they will then send me a new video card. Well if I choose to do this I would be without my video card for another week. I had called visiontek before this to see if this was a common issue and to find out what they use to keep the heatsink in place on the memory. I was told that this issue is not common but it does happen from time to time. He then told me they use locktight a form of glue that is used on bolts on a engine to hold them in place. So I decide to try this locktite before sending it back for I didn't want to wait another week for I needed the card now.

Well I found this locktite at a local hardware store and gave it a go. The locktight didn't work at all so my only choice now is to return the video card. I have decided to cancel the order and not do business again with newegg.com or buy any visiontek products. The poor design of the video card and the response of the visiontek tech is going to keep me away from visiontek for some time. As for Newegg.com they made me feel like they didn't want my business when dealing with this problem. They made me feel like they just wanted to get me off the phone instead of working with me.
 

bjc112

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Man, sorry to hear about that... all i can say is that I wouldn't completely CAN newegg as a hardware vendor... they are a great company.. and have had nothing but good th ings from them, you just had some bad luck! :cool:
 

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I have had nothing but great service from Newegg. sorry for your problems.
 

earthman

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Why the hell would they tell you to use locktite? Its a thread locking substance not a glue. You can use epoxy glue for this, there is a Devcon epoxy that comes in a clear "dual" tube, the kind with the plunger on it. The glue is cream colored (not the clear ones) and smells very raunchy. It takes a few hours to set, but is VERY strong and resistant to heat. I have used it to attach heatsinks with very good results. You should be able to find it at a hardware or home improvement store. Remember, its cream colored, not clear.
 

DN

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I hate to say it, but do you live in a fantasy world..? Yes, things sometimes can go wrong.. You ship it back and they will send you a new one.. Woopie.. How is that bad business..? Would you prefer if they told you that you can't get an exchange for it for free..? Would it be better if they made you pay for the shipping -- didn't credit you afterwards..? Would it be better if they just hung up on you..? Sounds to me like you are one VERY impatient customer who has grandios expectations.. Let's.. Get.. Real.. :)
 

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sorry dude, but i cant say newegg is at fault. I had nothing but good business with newegg ... anyway, sorry for your trouble i Hope your next Internet shopping experience would be wonderful and satisfying.
 

HappyPuppy

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I really don't understand what Newegg did wrong. You could have eventually dealt with a higher level of custome service and received a full refund on the shipping charges if FedEx was giving them a full refund.

FedEx screwed up, but it happens. Two weeks ago a package I was expecting from UPS wasn't delivered (remember the Dell Radeon 8500 deal? I finally got it.) purportedly because my address didn't exist. Keep in mind that this is the same UPS driver who has delivered packages to this address at least a couple of dozen times. I called UPS and they delivered it the next day.

One of the heatsinks fell off the memory module on your graphics card. Yep, stuff happens sometimes, especially when you're having a streak of bad luck. It sounds like the Visiontek support people were very straight foreward and honest with you, as well as helpful. Unfortunately, they weren't specific as to which Loctite product they use. Loctite Corp. makes dozens, perhaps hundreds of products. Apparently you used their threadlocking compound which, as you found out, is totally ineffective at gluing two flat surfaces together.

Rather than returning the video card and then coming here to just to complain, you could have come to these forums for help. There are many threads pertaining to gluing heatsinks to video card memory modules using readily available over the counter products.

I hope you have better luck with your next graphics card purchase.



 

Zoso4

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DN

It's this simple:

Need product by Friday the 7th now this is not going to happen.
Bad shipping
Bad product
Bad customer service
I have to pay for shipping the product back. They will not credit but will pay for shipping back to me!
A $182 dollar product has turned into around $240 after my time and cost.
Closed on weekends so I have to wait until Monday to even get this rolling.
And if I cancel the order I have to pay a restocking fee!

Now if you buy a product from someone for the first time and this is your results you would go back to them? I DONT THINK SO!
 

Smbu

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Use some thermal epoxy to attach the heatsink back on to the RAM. When I took off the ramsinks on my Visiontek GF3 Ti500 and replaced them with Thermaltake ones, I used Arctic Silver Thermal Adhesive and it's been working great as the ramsinks are still in place.
 

HappyPuppy

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Bad shipping? Nope. That wasn't Newegg's fault. FedEx failed to deliver.

Bad product? Nope. Stuff happens with all mass procuced products. Still not Newegg's fault.

Bad customer service? Nope. Newegg's policies are readily available on their website and the tier 3
customer service you were dealing with did what they had within their
power to help you.
Visiontek's customer service were straight foreward and honest with you
and gave you the information you requested, ie: how they attach the
heatsinks.

I once got a bad motherboard from Newegg. I needed it desperately so I called Newegg customer service and told them to ship me another one overnight while at the same time I would return the bad board. They charged my cc for the second board, I received it the next day and a week later they credited my cc for the returned motherboard plus shipping charges.

Sounds like a darn good company to do business with.
 

Zoso4

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Earthman

i]Why the hell would they tell you to use locktite?[/i]

I have no clue but that is one of the reasons why I will not use Visiontek products again. And the heatsink design is really poor should be all one piece and NO epoxy to hold it on. Here is the card I'm going to get now.

VGA PNY Geforce3 TI200 64MB DDR TV/DVI LIFE TIME REPLACEMENT BY PNYWinFast GeForce3-Ti (Titanium Chip), 64MB DDR Memory onboard, 4ns, Supports VGA, TV & DVI-out, Retail Box. Life time replacement by PNY. PNY $172.00

And it looks like their heatsink to be all one piece and so avoiding the apoxy problem.
 

DN

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<< DN

It's this simple:

Need product by Friday the 7th now this is not going to happen.
Bad shipping
Bad product
Bad customer service
I have to pay for shipping the product back. They will not credit but will pay for shipping back to me!
A $182 dollar product has turned into around $240 after my time and cost.
Closed on weekends so I have to wait until Monday to even get this rolling.
And if I cancel the order I have to pay a restocking fee!

Now if you buy a product from someone for the first time and this is your results you would go back to them? I DONT THINK SO!
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Bad shipping wasn't newegg's fault..

Bad product..? Hardly, I have that video card myself and so do a lot of other people here, I haven't seen anything but good reviews.. You were simply unlucky to get one with the heatsink off and it probably occurs very rarely..

Bad customer service..? As far as Visiontek goes, you should have either gone into more detail as to the CORRECT material to use to put the heatsink back on OR asked here..

I don't know what newegg's deal is with shipping products back and who pays for what, but I'll take your word for it that you must pay for that.. Any newegg customers here want to comment about this one..?

Closed on weekends.. Not unusual for online businesses..

Restocking fees are there for a reason.. They don't want people ordering things just so they can test them out and return it which I'm sure some people do.. If they didn't have restocking fees, they would lose a lot of money.. It's also common for places to have restocking fees..

Next time, read an online companies "policies" before you order a product from them.. If you don't like their policies then you don't buy from them.. THAT is simple.. No, I don't work for newegg nor have I ever used them for an online purchase, but I do know that, from having read, most people are very satistied with them.. As I said before, you seem to be very impatient and have grandios expectations when dealing with online purchases.. If you are in DIRE need of a video card by a SPECIFIC date/time, you use common sense and you find your way to a store.. Again, THAT is simple.. No, I don't dislike you, I just find you very unreasonable..

 

Windogg

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Not buying a Visiontek product will be impossible if you are talking NVidia products. Visiontek is Nvidia's main board designer and OEM. Many companies simply buy Visiontek reference boards and brand them with their own names.

I would not blame Newegg at all. In this case it appears to be FedEx's fault. They did not get it to your door. Newegg couldn't have been expected to swallow the cost of shipping.

I sucks that things didn't work out but not doing business with Newegg seems silly when they are clearly not at fault.

Windogg
 

HappyPuppy

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I'd just like to set one thing straight, and no I don't work for Loctite.

Loctite is one of the world's largest manufacturers of assembly products, including adhesives. In this area they are on par with 3M Corp.

Their adhesives, including epoxy adhesives, are of extremely high quality. They even have one product for laminating sheet glass together. It is absolutely clear and impervious to ultra violet and heat, with reason of course.

I only bring this up because I don't want anyone to think Visiontek is a cheap, crappy, slipshod company for using Loctite to adhere ramsinks to memory modules. THEY DO NOT USE THREAD COMPOUND FOR THIS PURPOSE!

No, I don't work for Visiontek, either.
 

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<< Earthman

i]Why the hell would they tell you to use locktite?


I have no clue but that is one of the reasons why I will not use Visiontek products again. And the heatsink design is really poor should be all one piece and NO epoxy to hold it on. Here is the card I'm going to get now.

VGA PNY Geforce3 TI200 64MB DDR TV/DVI LIFE TIME REPLACEMENT BY PNYWinFast GeForce3-Ti (Titanium Chip), 64MB DDR Memory onboard, 4ns, Supports VGA, TV & DVI-out, Retail Box. Life time replacement by PNY. PNY $172.00

And it looks like their heatsink to be all one piece and so avoiding the apoxy problem.[/i] >>



I'm sorry to break the news to you, but that PNY GF3 Ti200 does not have everything as one piece. Before I bought my Visiontek GF3 Ti500, I was using a PNY GF3 Ti200 card. There are 3 separate pieces just like Visiontek. 1 hsf on the gpu and 2 ramsinks, it just looks like one big thing because one of the ramsinks is partially under the main hsf and the other is just really close to it. PNY doesn't use the glue that VT uses though. They use some thermal tape type stuff(kind of like frag tape) to keep the ramsinks on the ram.
 

Zoso4

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Happy Puppy

Bad shipping? Nope. That wasn't Newegg's fault. FedEx failed to deliver.

So if your company makes a product and the buyer wants it there is one day and it don't arrive you think the buyer gives a rats ass on whos fault it is? Not only that Fedx said because of the error they will credit the biller $30 but had to credit newegg for they were the biller. Newegg is keeping half of the money say what! Not only that I have to pay for shipping back of bad product!

Bad product? Nope. Stuff happens with all mass procuced products. Still not Newegg's fault.

What are you talking about? Bad product is bad product and I bought it from Newegg so they are at fault. Who else do you blame? My dad makes circut boards for a living you think if he ships a bad board he can blame the company where he got the parts from to the buyer I don't think so.

Apparently you used their threadlocking compound which, as you found out, is totally ineffective at gluing two flat surfaces together.

Yes thanks to Visiontek tech support who told me to use this and yes they said the thread locking compound.
 

Zoso4

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I'm sorry to break the news to you, but that PNY GF3 Ti200 does not have everything as one piece. Before I bought my Visiontek GF3 Ti500, I was using a PNY GF3 Ti200 card. There are 3 separate pieces just like Visiontek. 1 hsf on the gpu and 2 ramsinks, it just looks like one big thing because one of the ramsinks is partially under the main hsf and the other is just really close to it. PNY doesn't use the glue that VT uses though. They use some thermal tape type stuff(kind of like frag tape) to keep the ramsinks on the ram.

Thanks for the info
 

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<< Apparently you used their threadlocking compound which, as you found out, is totally ineffective at gluing two flat surfaces together.

Yes thanks to Visiontek tech support who told me to use this and yes they said the thread locking compound.
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I seriously doubt they told you to use the Loctite? thread locking compound. Loctite? also produces some nice "super glue" that I have used on several occasions to attach heatsinks.

In addition, New Egg is the reseller, not the mfg. It's not their fault the heatsinks fell off. It is unfortunate that they cannot issue a call tag, or reimburse you for shipping. However I once had to pay 45.00 to ship a defective 19" monitor back to Buy.com. Read the fine print next time.
 

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Zoso4

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I seriously doubt they told you to use the Loctite? thread locking compound. Loctite?

Thanks for calling me a liar now that makes me feel better.

In addition, New Egg is the reseller, not the mfg. It's not their fault the heatsinks fell off.

Didn't say it was their fault the heatsink fell off but is sure is there fault for sending me bad product. I gave Newegg $211.00 dollars for a bad product now have to spend more on shipping who do you think I should blame visiontek? No I blame the person who has my money!
 

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<< JohnI seriously doubt they told you to use the Loctite? thread locking compound. Loctite?

Thanks for calling me a liar now that makes me feel better.
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I didn't call you a liar. I think you misunderstood them is all.



<< In addition, New Egg is the reseller, not the mfg. It's not their fault the heatsinks fell off.

Didn't say it was their fault the heatsink fell off but is sure is there fault for sending me bad product. I gave Newegg $211.00 dollars for a bad product now have to spend more on shipping who do you think I should blame visiontek? No I blame the person who has my money!
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How is it Newegg's fault for sending you a "bad product"? They deal with volume sales. You received a shrinkwrapped retail box. I would be more inclined to place blame on Visiontek than Newegg. Until you realize how things work, you will continue to be in the dark. Goodluck on your quest.
 

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Maybe they wanted to get off the phone with you because you seemed aggitated? I don't know.

Newegg, in my book, has done nothing wrong.

Think of it from their perspective. They did their part correctly, others did not. You must pay for shipping back and they will pay shipping to you. What is so unreasonable about that?
 

RedShirt

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And there has to be a reason why they only gave you 1/2 back for shipping, did you think about asking them why that is their policy? Or just complain?
 

Zoso4

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I didn't call you a liar. I think you misunderstood them is all.

Nice try but YOUR WRONG! The tech guy went even in to detail on how they use it in a car engine and how it could withstand heat after my concerns on how hot the memory gets and do you think it will hold.

How is it Newegg's fault for sending you a "bad product"? They deal with volume sales. You received a shrinkwrapped retail box. I would be more inclined to place blame on Visiontek than Newegg. Until you realize how things work, you will continue to be in the dark. Goodluck on your quest.

The company that takes your money for a product and the product is bad it is their fault no one else. How can I blame visiontek they don't have my money? With your logic I should be calling Visiontek not Newegg to get my money back.
 

RedShirt

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Hmm.... So... VisionTek sold Newegg a defective product...... Hmm....

Are we starting to see here?