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I use my 8800 in an older computer that I run server 2008 and linux on for school. My gaming rig is long in the tooth but does what I need with a 9800 GT with 512mb. I was thinking about getting another 9800 and stick it in my gaming rig, but its the newer 1 gig card with the pci-e 2.0 spec. My motherboard is an AN52V from Abit. I assume it is just pci-e 1.0 How will this hurt my performance?

I also had a friend suggest getting a ATI 4670 instead of a Nvidia card, he said its about the same price but performs better. Any suggestions?
 
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PCIe 1.x won't hurt performance in any meaningful way (maybe 5% in an extreme case or two, and maybe 1~2% in a few others), but typically it will not have any impact.

An HD4670 really won't do much compared to a 9800GT. The HD4770 and HD4850 are more like the competition for the 9800 if you could find them, but the 9800GT is cheaper than both (at least AR on Newegg).
 
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Yes it will hurt your performance and probably by way more than 5%.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/25.html
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What are you talking about? Those results don't even show PCIe 1.1 vs PCIe 2.0. They're all at PCIe 2.0 with 1x - 16x speeds. That's not the same thing.

The closest comparison would be the 16x and 8x results, where 8x @ 2.0 has the same bandwidth as 16x @ 1.1. With those results you can clearly see 98% of the performance (or better).

I went from a PCIe 1.1 to PCIe 2.0 and I noticed zero difference with a GTX285. There’s absolutely no way his lesser cards will see any difference, assuming his old motherboard was 16x.
 
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What are you talking about? Those results don't even show PCIe 1.1 vs PCIe 2.0. They're all at PCIe 2.0 with 1x - 16x speeds. That's not the same thing.

The closest comparison would be the 16x and 8x results, where 8x @ 2.0 has the same bandwidth as 16x @ 1.1. With those results you can clearly see 98% of the performance (or better).

I went from a PCIe 1.1 to PCIe 2.0 and I noticed zero difference with a GTX285. There’s absolutely no way his lesser cards will see any difference, assuming his old motherboard was 16x.
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Again you. :awe:
Reread his post and recheck his motherboard.
Hope this helps!
 
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I know that the 8800 series was pretty much the only cards worth buying for 6-9 months at one point, and as such there were millions and millions and millions of them, but the reports of them dying lately seem so high. :(
 
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Yes, he was clearly stating that he's getting 'another 9800' (the same he has right now) and thus will be forced to go for PCIe x1 which would be kinda pointless.
So, to get back to the topic.
Sell your 9800 and get a better card. Budget? Resolution? Specs?
 
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1h4x4s3x said:
Yes, he was clearly stating that he's getting 'another 9800' (the same he has right now) and thus will be forced to go for PCIe x1 which would be kinda pointless.
So, to get back to the topic.
Sell your 9800 and get a better card. Budget? Resolution? Specs?
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We have different interpretations of the OPs intent. My understanding was that his 8800 died. He has a second system for gaming which currently has a 9800GT 512M. He plans on moving the 9800GT 512M into the system with the dead 8800 and putting a new 9800GT 1M card into the gaming rig.

Given this interpretation, no there won't be much if any performance hit using the new 1M board in the gaming system.
 
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Oh right.
If 'crapped out' means dead, then yes, won't make much of a difference. Damn language barrier. ;_;
 
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rumpeltumskin said:
I use my 8800 in an older computer that I run server 2008 and linux on for school. My gaming rig is long in the tooth but does what I need with a 9800 GT with 512mb. I was thinking about getting another 9800 and stick it in my gaming rig, but its the newer 1 gig card with the pci-e 2.0 spec. My motherboard is an AN52V from Abit. I assume it is just pci-e 1.0 How will this hurt my performance?

I also had a friend suggest getting a ATI 4670 instead of a Nvidia card, he said its about the same price but performs better. Any suggestions?
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OP, why don't you just get the cheapest Nvidia card that you can find and stick it in your server?

9800GT 512MB vs. 9800GT 1GB isn't going to make much difference at all and you can take this opportunity to really reduce the noise and power consumption of your server. Something like this, passively cooled and $20 AR. (By the way, am I the only one who finds it reaaaally annoying that Newegg's search page shows AR prices instead of BR prices like it used to?)
 
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mfenn said:
OP, why don't you just get the cheapest Nvidia card that you can find and stick it in your server?

9800GT 512MB vs. 9800GT 1GB isn't going to make much difference at all and you can take this opportunity to really reduce the noise and power consumption of your server. Something like this, passively cooled and $20 AR. (By the way, am I the only one who finds it reaaaally annoying that Newegg's search page shows AR prices instead of BR prices like it used to?)
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+1 on the buying something cheap option.
If the card is just running the display, no need to put something high power in there.
 
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rumpeltumskin said:
Actually, my card is not dead, it just has misplaced pixels and big squares all over the graphics. I may just try the backing thing. I don't have anything to lose. if not I'll probably just buy a cheap card to throw into the server and hold off on my main box till I have time for a major upgrade
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+1 I smell it now. I did my 8800GTS still have not tested it but will soon.
 
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I baked my 8800GTX (given to my brother at the time) when it started artifacting. It worked, but the problem started again in about 2 weeks of use.

So... when I get around to it, I'm going to bake it one more time (probably 400-450F this time, for half an hour) and see what happens. Right now it's just a paper weight anyway. I want to find replacement thermal pads before I do it, though, but I don't know where to look.
 
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Well, my problem is solved. BFG is taking it back. I thought they would not since I did not have a receipt for it. I just have to pay to have it shipped back to them.
 
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BFG _ALWAYS_ looks out for me. I never buy a card that is not either BFG or EVGA.
 
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rumpeltumskin said:
You baked yours Jagger?? I'll try it tomorrow and stick it back in on Friday and see if it works. I'll try to remember to post here if it fixes it.
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Yep I did, nothing to lose. And it is an EVGA they say life time but its not. Still have to test it, I have a 6800 Ultra with line's in the picture so if the first one works..........:) Again NOTHING TO LOSE!
 
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