My 2 y.o. daughter just made a mess, and said

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
we taught my boss' 3yr old son how to say "What" and "Okay" like that dood Lil John (or at least the Dave Chapelle version of him)....now he wont stop and it cracks us up cause the boss doesn't get it funny how kids pick things up like that

that maybe woulda been funny if I heard that like 6 months ago when people ruined that whole skit ...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Gurck

I forget to get mad at her as a result, like I always do

You should definitely try to instill in her that it was wrong. While there's nothing wrong with thinking it's cute, it sounds to me like you may possibly be in the beginning stages of a case of MLAS. The vast majority of modern-day parents suffer from anything from a moderate to a severe case of My Little Angel Syndrome. Seeing the child in such a light as they can do no wrong leads to not disciplining them, which turns out a spoiled brat with no regard for the concerns, rights, and often safety of other people. Of course, MLAS is as insidious as it is because the parent(s) can never see that this is the case. Their child isn't yelling in the movie theatre, for example, s/he is just being his/her cute little angelic self. Only nasty child-haters would want to see the movie instead of listening to such a gorgeous child yell for two hours. Don't suffer needlessly. MLAS is easily preventable by taking responsibility for raising your child.

Interesting that you can make the diagnosis from one incident, Doctor. Please, tell me more.

"like I always do" insinuates much more than one incident.

One of the most telling symptoms of MLAS is overreacting to the suggestion that MLAS is a possibility

And I'm not suggesting physical punishment if that's not your thing, though I personally advocate it. Just real discipline.

"like I always do" insinuates more than one incident OF THAT NATURE. placing a few articles of clothing all over the floor in my private home is a lot different than screaming your head off in a public theater. Each situation requires a different approach. Obviously I wouldn't approve of such behavior in a theatre, but then again, that's why I usually prevent this by avoiding the theatre all together.


Do you have any kids? I usually don't need to explain this type of thing to parents. If you don't have kids, then go ahead and give me your sources, so I can read about the subject of MLAS myself. Or I can google. Otherwise, tell me more, please! Thanks!

Sheesh... Your comment just marked you as the type, imo. I said it in as joking a manner as possible. Why so defensive? "like I always do" to me implies any time your child does something wrong. And no, I haven't & won't bring kids into this mid-flush toilet of a world.

 

[moks78]

Terrible 2s...it's always that way. Enjoy it now cuz it will soon come to pass and before you know it, it's history.
It seems it was only yesterday that my kids were messing the house around and now they are in High School.
Time flies and waits for no one...wish, I could have spent more time with them during their early years.

 

[Atomicus]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
we taught my boss' 3yr old son how to say "What" and "Okay" like that dood Lil John (or at least the Dave Chapelle version of him)....now he wont stop and it cracks us up cause the boss doesn't get it funny how kids pick things up like that

teach him how "cocaine is one helluva drug" :laugh:

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Nail
Did she get the hickory stick? :|

Sorry, we threw those away when we became parents. My daughter learns more with a stern tone of voice than with a whippin'.

Agreed 100%... A stern voice, time-outs on the staircase and the removal of toys/treats.

When I was a kid as far back as I can remember, I would always wish I got a whipin' from my parents instead of the other punishments I got. (no TV for a week, no Atari for a week, etc...) I would have given anything to get a quick spanking and be done with it. It would only hurt for a minute or so, no big deal. Going without the things I liked was torture.

My grandmother used to smack me and my brother around when she watched us and we did stupid crap. It sure stung but it never served as a deterent from fvcking around and doing things I shouldn't. The possibility of loosing my beloved atari made me think a littler harder about doing something I knew I shouldn't.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Gurck

I forget to get mad at her as a result, like I always do

You should definitely try to instill in her that it was wrong. While there's nothing wrong with thinking it's cute, it sounds to me like you may possibly be in the beginning stages of a case of MLAS. The vast majority of modern-day parents suffer from anything from a moderate to a severe case of My Little Angel Syndrome. Seeing the child in such a light as they can do no wrong leads to not disciplining them, which turns out a spoiled brat with no regard for the concerns, rights, and often safety of other people. Of course, MLAS is as insidious as it is because the parent(s) can never see that this is the case. Their child isn't yelling in the movie theatre, for example, s/he is just being his/her cute little angelic self. Only nasty child-haters would want to see the movie instead of listening to such a gorgeous child yell for two hours. Don't suffer needlessly. MLAS is easily preventable by taking responsibility for raising your child.

Interesting that you can make the diagnosis from one incident, Doctor. Please, tell me more.

"like I always do" insinuates much more than one incident.

One of the most telling symptoms of MLAS is overreacting to the suggestion that MLAS is a possibility

And I'm not suggesting physical punishment if that's not your thing, though I personally advocate it. Just real discipline.

"like I always do" insinuates more than one incident OF THAT NATURE. placing a few articles of clothing all over the floor in my private home is a lot different than screaming your head off in a public theater. Each situation requires a different approach. Obviously I wouldn't approve of such behavior in a theatre, but then again, that's why I usually prevent this by avoiding the theatre all together.


Do you have any kids? I usually don't need to explain this type of thing to parents. If you don't have kids, then go ahead and give me your sources, so I can read about the subject of MLAS myself. Or I can google. Otherwise, tell me more, please! Thanks!

Sheesh... Your comment just marked you as the type, imo. I said it in as joking a manner as possible. Why so defensive? "like I always do" to me implies any time your child does something wrong. And no, I haven't & won't bring kids into this mid-flush toilet of a world.

I just find it interesting to observe those without children dispensing advice on how to raise kids, that's all. I had a sneaking suspicion from your very first post that you didn't have any children. Nay, you most likely aren't that far removed from the age of a child yourself... Make no mistake though, your input is appreciated! Thanks again!

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: daveymark
I just find it interesting to observe those without children dispensing advice on how to raise kids, that's all. I had a sneaking suspicion from your very first post that you didn't have any children. Nay, you most likely aren't that far removed from the age of a child yourself... Make no mistake though, your input is appreciated! Thanks again!

Actually I'm very likely older than you. Quite a few people are mentally capable of getting past the instinct to procreate and of considering the option logically. Quite a few choose not to, and age is no indicator of this; intelligence seems to be though. Much of it may actually be based on the monsters that most of today's parents are raising and what they're helping to do to the world. I've been around children & seen what I've jokingly termed "MLAS" firsthand; my two stepsisters each have two monsters, my biological father has three or four with one of his wives. Ages are toddler - 20; I've watched them grow up and seen the consequences of the lack of good parenting. Glad to hear you enjoy my input, I'll be sure to continue with the instruction

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: GurckActually I'm very likely older than you. Quite a few people are mentally capable of getting past the instinct to procreate and of considering the option logically. Quite a few choose not to, and age is no indicator of this; intelligence seems to be though. Much of it may actually be based on the monsters that most of today's parents are raising and what they're helping to do to the world. I've been around children & seen what I've jokingly termed "MLAS" firsthand; my two stepsisters each have two monsters, my biological father has three or four with one of his wives. Ages are toddler - 20; I've watched them grow up and seen the consequences of the lack of good parenting. Glad to hear you enjoy my input, I'll be sure to continue with the instruction

I used to think this way, until I had a child of my own. Nobody without kids can relate, regardless of how many kids their sister, friend, etc., has.
Until the children are your own, you simply cannot know what you are talking about.

I used to think the same way about seeing kids that "act up" in restaurants and such, and think, "no way I would let my kid do that".
Right.
Say that all you want, but kids will most certainly cut up quite a bit, and once you have your own, other folk's kids don't bother you much.
Basically, most people who choose not to have children, for whatever reason, will grow old and bitter.

The old adage, "don't say what your kids will/won't do until you try having your own" is 100% correct. This is one case where personal experience means everything. 99.9% of those who don't/won't have kids should have their opinions ignored; They are meaningless.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: GurckActually I'm very likely older than you. Quite a few people are mentally capable of getting past the instinct to procreate and of considering the option logically. Quite a few choose not to, and age is no indicator of this; intelligence seems to be though. Much of it may actually be based on the monsters that most of today's parents are raising and what they're helping to do to the world. I've been around children & seen what I've jokingly termed "MLAS" firsthand; my two stepsisters each have two monsters, my biological father has three or four with one of his wives. Ages are toddler - 20; I've watched them grow up and seen the consequences of the lack of good parenting. Glad to hear you enjoy my input, I'll be sure to continue with the instruction

I used to think this way, until I had a child of my own. Nobody without kids can relate, regardless of how many kids their sister, friend, etc., has.
Until the children are your own, you simply cannot know what you are talking about.

I used to think the same way about seeing kids that "act up" in restaurants and such, and think, "no way I would let my kid do that".
Right.
Say that all you want, but kids will most certainly cut up quite a bit, and once you have your own, other folk's kids don't bother you much.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. I can't believe you have the gall to defend this sh*t.

Basically, most people who choose not to have children, for whatever reason, will grow old and bitter.

The old adage, "don't say what your kids will/won't do until you try having your own" is 100% correct. This is one case where personal experience means everything. 99.9% of those who don't/won't have kids should have their opinions ignored; They are meaningless.

Old and bitter? I'll likely live to a ripe old age without the stress.

There is, of course, a learning curve. They do something you don't like, you let them know not to do it. I would use physical punishment. Certainly not "the belt", as another poster accused me of (ironically enough after I had clarified that I meant nothing of the sort - got to admire the reading skills posessed by the people of today ), but just enough of a spanking to get my point across. Other methods of punishment can work equally well, and may be necessary if what you're doing is not working.

Sending a kid to their bedroom, where they have roughly $10,000 worth of electonics and, best of all, no 'nagging' parent, does not work however. Smiling at your kid, making baby noises, and saying how cute it is that they just squirted catsup all over someone at a restaurant does not work either. (Amazingly enough, people don't appreciate that sort of thing. I know that must come as quite a shock to you...) Nor do the myraid other things most parents seem to consider punishment, in the rare case they're a parent that thinks punishment is even necessary - ever.

The fact of the matter is most people who're raising kids should probably buy & read a few books on it - but paper is kryptonite to people these days, watching IQ-sucking tv shows like that one with Ditz Hilton or fear factor is where it's at. Nothing quite like having a less active brain than when you're sleeping :roll:

 

[Pacfanweb]

Again, I used to think just like what you are posting, but you have no clue until you have your own kids.
I am not a passive, "don't use physical punishment" type of parent, and you have no basis to think that I am.
However, there is absolutely nothing you can do to a baby when they "squirt catsup all over someone", besides apologize if that someone isn't you. Not that this could really happen if you are watching your kid....most restaurants don't sit people that close together.
I would agree that anyone who lets their kids run wild needs some parenting help.
So you can forget the "let them know not to do it" thing with a baby. Once the kids are old enough, it is definitely time to crack down.
I don't ever remember anyone's 4 year old cutting up in a restaurant and the parents simply saying how cute it was, though.
A baby is entirely another story. And until you have your own, you really can't say how you would do things. Holding your own flesh and blood in your hands is quite the life-changing experience...you can tell people all day long how great it is, and how much differently it makes you think, but they can never relate, just like you can't, until they do it themselves.
Does this mean I'll let my daughter run wild as she gets older? Sometimes. Certainly not in public, but I guess my point is, your definition of "running wild" will change when you apply it to your own child.

And yes, you'll be old and bitter if you never have children. You won't live longer, and the stress is worth it.
Don't know how old you are, and I doubt you're much older or even as old as me, but after being in my 30's and experiencing it both ways, without and then with a child, I can assure you that you will most certainly change your opinion if you have children.

 

[Homerboy]

Old and bitter? I'll likely live to a ripe old age without the stress.

There is, of course, a learning curve. They do something you don't like, you let them know not to do it. I would use physical punishment. Certainly not "the belt", as another poster accused me of (ironically enough after I had clarified that I meant nothing of the sort - got to admire the reading skills posessed by the people of today ), but just enough of a spanking to get my point across. Other methods of punishment can work equally well, and may be necessary if what you're doing is not working.

Sending a kid to their bedroom, where they have roughly $10,000 worth of electonics and, best of all, no 'nagging' parent, does not work however. Smiling at your kid, making baby noises, and saying how cute it is that they just squirted catsup all over someone at a restaurant does not work either. (Amazingly enough, people don't appreciate that sort of thing. I know that must come as quite a shock to you...) Nor do the myraid other things most parents seem to consider punishment, in the rare case they're a parent that thinks punishment is even necessary - ever.

The fact of the matter is most people who're raising kids should probably buy & read a few books on it - but paper is kryptonite to people these days, watching IQ-sucking tv shows like that one with Ditz Hilton or fear factor is where it's at. Nothing quite like having a less active brain than when you're sleeping :roll:

First off you have no right in any manner or way to be giving parenting suggestions, observations, or critiques if you are not a parent yourself. You're post makes no sense and doen't have a single leg to stand on.

My 3yr old and his 2yr old likely do not have $10K worth of electronics and any good and smart parent would realize that sending a kid to a place where they have fun for a form of punshiment is retarded (hence why I sit my kid(s) on the stairs. Not much to doo on cold hardwood stairs is there?) At this point if I even suggest a "time out" to my 3yr old and start the "1, 2, 3" countdown he shapes up in hearbeat. Wow... whatya know passive parenting WORKS!

My wife and I have a library on "raising kids" and honestly most of the stuff in there simply doesn't apply to 90% of the situations. So your theory of reading books on raising kids is off base again.

I actually will agree with you on the fact that there are a lot of sub-par parents these days. I assure you I am not one of them, and I am willing to be large sums of money that the OP isn't either. He was simply posting a cute story about his child that he likely expected other parents to register with and here you come spouting off about parenting techinques and standards. So I would agree... you certainly sound "old and bitter" and looking for a venue to spout of your rhetoric.

Boy... no experience and a flapping jaw makes you look like and actually be an ignorant boob doesn't it?

Enjoy.

 

[CChaos]

There's nothing wrong with making a mess, just so long as you know how to clean up after yourself. For instance, Gurck should clean up the crap he spilled all over this thread.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: CChaos
There's nothing wrong with making a mess, just so long as you know how to clean up after yourself. For instance, Gurck should clean up the crap he spilled all over this thread.

HAHAH I know its early but thats the best post of the day

 

[XZeroII]

I think you people are making too big of a deal out of daveymark's comment. MLAS is a real thing (although it can go by different names). There is nothing wrong with what that little girl did and how he reacted to it. I think the point daveymark was trying to make is that you should watch yourself so that this doesn't become a habit. Little kids are much smarter than you think and their brains are still mash potatos at that age. Every time you talk to them, you are molding them into delicious mushy mound and taking your gravy spoon and making a nice little pool in the middle to put your gravy...but anyway. I don't think he meant any disrespect. Just be aware that such a thing does exist and can be bad for a child if it continues as the child gets older.


Note: It especially happens with fathers and their little girls, from what I've seen.