MX200 - available but no reviews?

birthdaymonkey

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I see that the MX200 line is now available on Amazon and Newegg, but there doesn't seem to be any reviews (at least according to my Google search).

Anyone know anything about Crucial's latest - beyond the cursory info available from various "announcement" stubs on hardware sites.
 

pauldun170

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I see that the MX200 line is now available on Amazon and Newegg, but there doesn't seem to be any reviews (at least according to my Google search).

Anyone know anything about Crucial's latest - beyond the cursory info available from various "announcement" stubs on hardware sites.

Not much since they are fairly new but here is what I could find after a quick search

From this on Anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8861/crucial-announces-mx200-bx100-ssds-ssd-toolbox

The MX200 is essentially the branded version of Micron's M600 that we reviewed earlier.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8528/micron-m600-128gb-256gb-1tb-ssd-review-nda-placeholder
 

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I noticed this as well, both new drives from Crucial seem to be lacking reviews.
 

Elixer

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Let's see if Crucial will finally have CAPs on these... unlike the MX100 blunder.
 

Hellhammer

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Let's see if Crucial will finally have CAPs on these... unlike the MX100 blunder.

It's the same ceramic caps as in the MX100 and M600. I.e. no full power-loss protection, just data-at-rest is protected.
 

Elixer

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It's the same ceramic caps as in the MX100 and M600. I.e. no full power-loss protection, just data-at-rest is protected.

Curious, are there any plans for actually testing SSDs with full power-loss protection ? Or even testing what exactly happens when power is shut off on SSDs that don't offer full power-loss protection ? Do they enter some kind of panic mode, or do they gracefully power off with no issues these days ?
 

hhhd1

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Looking forward for the reviews of MX200 and BX100 SSDs.

And hoping to find out more info about their rated endurance.
 
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slag

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bx100 reviews are already out. Just as fast as the mx100 line
 

hhhd1

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Thanks, but those reviews and benches do not discuss endurance and power consumption, 2 of the most important things, where there is actually a significant difference between different SSDs.
 

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Are you putting this in a laptop or a desktop?

If its a desktop power consumption should not be a concern. Endurance should be, no clue how well this SSD will do there. Previous Crucials have been pretty decent with the exception of not having power loss protection. But for that you have to go with an Intel 730 or similar enterprise grade drive.
 

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Thanks, but those reviews and benches do not discuss endurance and power consumption, 2 of the most important things, where there is actually a significant difference between different SSDs.

Actually those benches include VERY detailed power consumption.
http://www.ssdreview.com/review/compare/crucial-mx200-250gb-25-inch-mu01/power_consumption.html

Check out all of the tabs with lots of various benches.

Endurance will be the same as the MX100 as I believe it's the same NAND.
 

CiPHER

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Let's see if Crucial will finally have CAPs on these... unlike the MX100 blunder.
That is mostly a misunderstanding.

Power-safe capacitors are there to protect the mapping tables from becoming inconsistent, as well as preventing damage to the NAND when a write/erase-cycle is interrupted.

The Intel 320 has capacitors that protect the full write-back. No DRAM since this SSD does not have DRAM chip. The 320 uses Intel's own controller and it has 192KiB of SRAM buffercache. SRAM uses less power than DRAM and thus providing power-safe capacitors to protect the SRAM is much cheaper than protecting a DRAM chip.

So most SSDs actually do not protect the write-back buffercache but instead concentrate on protecting the mapping tables (FTL) from becoming inconsistent with the stored data.

Samsung does this using software; by journaling the mapping tables and rolling them back whenever power has been interrupted (POR - Power-On Recovery).

Crucial M500/M550/M600/MX100/MX200 does this using a hardware feature - the power-safe capacitors. This has the advantage of not having to rewind the whole SSD to an earlier state like Samsung does, which can have extreme consequences.

While the write-back in DRAM is not protected, that is actually not a big deal. Virtually no storage device protects its DRAM and since long time filesystems have been designed to cope with this since Windows NT4 (NTFS). You have to go back to the Windows 95 era with 'Scandisk' to find problems with this. As FAT did not have any way to protect against dirty write-back, filesystem damage was very common. But not so anymore for any 2nd generation filesystem like NTFS, UFS+SU or Ext3/4.

The important metadata is written as synchronous write, meaning that no other I/O will be sent until the sync write has been completed. This works by writing to the device and sending a FLUSH CACHE command afterwards. The effect is that only one I/O will be queued in DRAM and it provides atomicity for the filesystem: either that sync write made it through, or not. If not, no other data will be written as well, which is what protects the filesystem against becoming inconsistent.

Conclusion is that Crucial's power-safe capacitors work as intended and is one of the key reasons to select Crucial over other SSDs. I should note that Intel S3500/S3700 SSDs do the exact same thing. It's way better than the software protection that Samsung uses; which makes the SSD unsuitable for anything but consumer usage.
 

CiPHER

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Pardon me for the double post; i thought this was a different thread.
Not that detailed, since devsleep is not included.

Generally SSDs use 0,6 watts when idling, 0,1 watts when idling with DIPM (Device-Initiated Power Management) and 0,01 watts with devsleep.

The maximum power consumption is mostly irrelevant; as you'd only hit that when benchmarking. The one important thing is whether the SSD has power/heat-throttling so it will not overheat itself. The good SSDs have such a feature.
 
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duragezic

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I was leaning toward the MX200 over MX100 due to endurance. But then I realized even if I wrote 20 GB/day to it (which most likely is like 10x as much as really would do), the MX100 is rated for like 10 years of that.

Or just thinking to go with the Samsung 850 EVO after I saw some "real world" benchmarks wherethe MX100 and 200 just did terrible in.

Though I imagine whichever one I get will be ridiculously fast and probably not fail within a month. You read reviews and see a lot of that but I figure it's actually pretty rare.
 

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Pardon me for the double post; i thought this was a different thread.

Not that detailed, since devsleep is not included.

Generally SSDs use 0,6 watts when idling, 0,1 watts when idling with DIPM (Device-Initiated Power Management) and 0,01 watts with devsleep.

The maximum power consumption is mostly irrelevant; as you'd only hit that when benchmarking. The one important thing is whether the SSD has power/heat-throttling so it will not overheat itself. The good SSDs have such a feature.


Picky, picky! I think SSDReview did a good job with these benches.
 

hhhd1

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There appears to be no MX200 of size 120/128gb.

Hopefully, This might mean that the 250gb will take the position of the 120gb drives, price wise.