Must-have guitar effects - recommendations wanted

The Sauce

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So I am trying to get back into serious guitar playing again after a roughly 8-10 year hiatus. You helped me pick out my new amp - seen here. So I plugged in and played for a bit but found that the amp has no reverb and is very unforgiving. I think that in the past I was used to a smoother, more forgiving amp tone. Don't get me wrong, I love the tone I get out of this but I just need to smooth out my sound a little to make the solos sound better. In the past I used to use a tube screamer and a compressor...not sure if those would help. I assume I need to buy a reverb and delay unit.
 

Platypus

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I would get a nice warm analog delay set low with long repeats if you want to add some warmth/presence and 'bounce' to your notes.

If your tone is 'stiff' you might look into setting the presence control (if it has one) and playing with your EQ a bit more. The more mids you have the stiffer it will feel, etc.

What attenuation level do you have your HP set to? That matters a bit too.
 

Canai

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Go to a guitar store with your guitar. Try different pedals.

The amp this forum recommended you wasn't what you expected, why would you think effects recommendations would be any different?

Why you'd buy anything musical without testing it out extensively is beyond me.
 

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Originally posted by: Canai
Go to a guitar store with your guitar. Try different pedals.

The amp this forum recommended you wasn't what you expected, why would you think effects recommendations would be any different?

Why you'd buy anything musical without testing it out extensively is beyond me.

:thumbsup:
 

Rudee

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I don't think you are ready for "serious" guitar playing. You are trying to run before you learn to walk. Purchasing separate amp head and cab at you level of experience is a poor choice IMHO. Return it and get a VOX AC130 combo amp as it has everything you need including all the built in effects.
 

Oyeve

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Peter Frampton Talk Box is all you'll ever need. Do you feeeeeeel...

Yep, made my own. Total cost was under 20 bucks.
 

Fritzo

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Kind of hard to tell what you want without hearing what it sounds like now. Might just be the current settings need to be tweaked.
 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: Canai
Go to a guitar store with your guitar. Try different pedals.

The amp this forum recommended you wasn't what you expected, why would you think effects recommendations would be any different?

Why you'd buy anything musical without testing it out extensively is beyond me.

The amp that was recommended is EVERYTHING I expected...it just doesn't have a built-in reverb. And I am an effects noob and need some simple advice.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: Snatchface
The hot plate isn't hooked up yet...waiting for some cables to get here.

That is going to yield you more power tube saturation which will warm up your tone a bit. Make sure you run the lights on at all times too. Don't use the -16dB setting, it squashes the fuck out of your tone dynamics.

What are you after? It's kind of hard to know what you're lacking tone wise. I think my original recommendation is a good choice for you to look into.. check out the maxon or ibanez AD9 if you're looking for a specific pedal.
 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: Rudee
I don't think you are ready for "serious" guitar playing. You are trying to run before you learn to walk. Purchasing separate amp head and cab at you level of experience is a poor choice IMHO. Return it and get a VOX AC130 combo amp as it has everything you need including all the built in effects.


I played for 15 years solid, recording, gigging every weekend. I have some experience and now I have a career that can support some nice equipment. I am just very out of practice. I have no intention of returning the amp.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Peter Frampton Talk Box is all you'll ever need. Do you feeeeeeel...

hahaha i was just thinking the same thing

i miss seeing peter frampton on the tube


<3 adam jone's usage of it on 'jambi'

 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: Snatchface
The hot plate isn't hooked up yet...waiting for some cables to get here.

That is going to yield you more power tube saturation which will warm up your tone a bit. Make sure you run the lights on at all times too. Don't use the -16dB setting, it squashes the fuck out of your tone dynamics.

What are you after? It's kind of hard to know what you're lacking tone wise. I think my original recommendation is a good choice for you to look into.. check out the maxon or ibanez AD9 if you're looking for a specific pedal.

Thanks for the advice Platy. That is kinda what I thought. I think you described the problem that I am having pretty well..."stiff" is how I would describe it. Rather than sustaining the solo notes just end abruptly and that tends to amplify inaccuracies. I will turn down the mids. I thought that it might be primarily reverb that was missing. Not so? Also what exactly is that purpose of a compressor/sustainer.
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: Snatchface
Originally posted by: Rudee
I don't think you are ready for "serious" guitar playing. You are trying to run before you learn to walk. Purchasing separate amp head and cab at you level of experience is a poor choice IMHO. Return it and get a VOX AC130 combo amp as it has everything you need including all the built in effects.


I played for 15 years solid, recording, gigging every weekend. I have some experience and now I have a career that can support some nice equipment. I am just very out of practice. I have no intention of returning the amp.

Go look for some vintage stuff then. Look at Electro Harmonix - they have some of the best pedals out there. But like I said before, go test out anything before you buy it. If you are really serious about getting some good pedals, I'm sure your local guitar shop wouldn't mind you bringing your guitar and amp in and testing out whatever effects pedals and racks they have.

Some wah + big muff + microsynth might be something to look into. Probably run around $500 if you get quality stuff. If you want heavy distortion look at ibanez. Don't get a '100 effects in one' pedal - those are trash.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: Snatchface
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: Snatchface
The hot plate isn't hooked up yet...waiting for some cables to get here.

That is going to yield you more power tube saturation which will warm up your tone a bit. Make sure you run the lights on at all times too. Don't use the -16dB setting, it squashes the fuck out of your tone dynamics.

What are you after? It's kind of hard to know what you're lacking tone wise. I think my original recommendation is a good choice for you to look into.. check out the maxon or ibanez AD9 if you're looking for a specific pedal.

Thanks for the advice Platy. That is kinda what I thought. I think you described the problem that I am having pretty well..."stiff" is how I would describe it. Rather than sustaining the solo notes just end abruptly and that tends to amplify inaccuracies. I will turn down the mids. I thought that it might be primarily reverb that was missing. Not so? Also what exactly is that purpose of a compressor/sustainer.

Ok there are a lot of factors going on. Not having enough sustain and having abrupt endings is usually a symptom of having too much preamp to post amp mix ratio. Once you connect that HP you should get some warmth/sustain back.

You don't have to turn mids down completely, it's just about finding a good balance. When you are playing alone you will notice that too much mids sound bad or stiff and that it sounds better when you scoop that out.. unfortunately this is misleading because in a band situation with a bass player you will be stepping on each others toes frequency wise. You also won't cut through the mix if you wipe them out too much. I use different settings live than I do at home for this purpose. The guitar is a midrange instrument so don't completely wipe those frequencies out is my point.

If you're using to having reverb, the lack of it can make your tone seem very dry.. but you really don't need reverb to make your amp sound good and most pedals are kind of ass at reverb. Using a delay will achieve the same effect and also allow you to make your solo runs 'soar' and seem larger than life which is a very cool effect.

As far as amplifying inaccuracies, a good amplifier will show your mistakes and should be a motivator rather than something you should look to correct. It will force you to become a better player. Lots of amps let you hide behind a wall of gain to mask sloppy style. I am not saying this is the case with you because I don't know you or your playing but I would imagine if you're out of practice 8-10 years, ANYONE would have this problem.

Can you list all the controls you have on that model? I might be able to suggest some 'best practice' settings.

Lastly, I do not like compressors but some people swear by them. Essentially it makes the volume output of every note you play be consistent. You will notice that some places on the guitar are just simply louder than others based on where they are. A compressor will squash/squish the notes so they all come out the same level and therefore sound more fluid. I think it takes away too much from the tone of your guitar personally but like I said, that's just me.

Good tube compression is vastly better and that's something you'll achieve when you're pusing your power amp a little harder via your attenuator.
 

Rudee

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I own a couple dozen various effects pedals and my two favorites are Boss DS1 distortion and a Digitech Bad Monkey compressor. Those two pedals together are pretty sweet.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: Rudee
I own a couple dozen various effects pedals and my two favorites are Boss DS1 distortion and a Digitech Bad Monkey compressor. Those two pedals together are pretty sweet.

The Bad Monkey is not a compressor, it's an overdrive; it's a tubescreamer clone that's priced way below what a TS costs.
 

Rudee

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Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: Rudee
I own a couple dozen various effects pedals and my two favorites are Boss DS1 distortion and a Digitech Bad Monkey compressor. Those two pedals together are pretty sweet.

The Bad Monkey is not a compressor, it's an overdrive; it's a tubescreamer clone that's priced way below what a TS costs.

Yes, sorry, mispelled.. Bad Monkey is overdrive. Pairs very nicely with the DS1
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: Rudee
I own a couple dozen various effects pedals and my two favorites are Boss DS1 distortion and a Digitech Bad Monkey compressor. Those two pedals together are pretty sweet.

The Bad Monkey is not a compressor, it's an overdrive; it's a tubescreamer clone that's priced way below what a TS costs.

Yes, sorry, mispelled.. Bad Monkey is overdrive. Pairs very nicely with the DS1

The BM definitely does stack well with other pedals, it's nice to goose other pedals into sounds you couldn't get on them otherwise!