Muslins-a bad people?

[Kibbo]

Allright,
Went out tonight , got drunk, and all the usual happenings.

Ended up in a cab with close friend of mine, who is a social worker, and we discussed her finacial future.

The cabbie was a N. African man, and after we dropped off the lady, I initiated a conversation about politics. TKhe cabbie began a tirade against our current federal government, with some asides regarding our current Provincial government. He said that he regretted his vote for the current party in power.

I went to my neighbourhood store, and asked the shopkeeper (a man who is Lebanese) whether or not he voted. He said no, "but I'm for sure gonna vote in the next one (election I assumed.") "I don't want these guys in again."

My apologies for the bad punctuation. (I'm drunk)

This is an example of my day to day experience with muslims. I ask why some people believe that muslims are taught to hate, or at least why they believe that all who follow Islam want to destroy Democracy. From my experience, most muslims appreciate democracy, when they are in a country that affords them the right to vote.

This impressiom is ill at ease with those accounts who typify Islam as a "militant" religion.

 

[gutharius]

Yeah, I don't see it either. I know there are provisions in the koran for jihad and all but my understanding is that only under certain circumstances to those apply. I am not a muslim so my knowledge in regards to the circumstances are really weak.

 

[Moonbeam]

One good thing about Moslems is that they don't drink. Their writing is also much more beautiful than ours is. And here you gotta have lots and lots of money if you want to camp out in the desert in a tent every night. And you wonder why the stars all have Arabic names.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
One good thing about Moslems is that they don't drink. Their writing is also much more beautiful than ours is. And here you gotta have lots and lots of money if you want to camp out in the desert in a tent every night. And you wonder why the stars all have Arabic names.

What. . . That was a drunk crak wan't it? C'mon, you know it was. Just 'cause I'm hammered right now doesn't meant I'm any less . . . what was my point?

 

[Kadarin]

Individual muslims are people, people who have hopes and dreams, interests and fears... They're like anyone else (even if they do break out into a chorus of "ooolooolooloo" when someone dies)

Islam as a culture, however, is sick. And wrong. And the world is a LOT better off without it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Individual muslims are people, people who have hopes and dreams, interests and fears... They're like anyone else (even if they do break out into a chorus of "ooolooolooloo" when someone dies)

Islam as a culture, however, is sick. And wrong. And the world is a LOT better off without it.

:roll:

 

[flawlssdistortn]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Individual muslims are people, people who have hopes and dreams, interests and fears... They're like anyone else (even if they do break out into a chorus of "ooolooolooloo" when someone dies)

Islam as a culture, however, is sick. And wrong. And the world is a LOT better off without it.

Hey why don't you move your redneck ass outta whatever hick town you live in and realize that maybe YOU are the one that's uneducated and primitive.

 

[theshazman]

Originally posted by: gutharius
Yeah, I don't see it either. I know there are provisions in the koran for jihad and all but my understanding is that only under certain circumstances to those apply. I am not a muslim so my knowledge in regards to the circumstances are really weak.

Jihad is an integral part of Islam like fasting and prayers but it doesn't mean violence as is usually understood. It means 'struggle' to further the cause of the faith. For me the struggle is having to explain that Islam is not a religion of violence to my non-muslim friends, co-workers, neigbors, etc. For muslims that use Jihad to further their political/personal agendas in the name of Islam is completely wrong. IF you see a muslim that really practices the religion instead of exploiting it, you will see that we just ordinary people like everyone else.

 

[Goosemaster]

Muslims are some of the most enlightened people that I have met

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: shazman

Originally posted by: gutharius
Yeah, I don't see it either. I know there are provisions in the koran for jihad and all but my understanding is that only under certain circumstances to those apply. I am not a muslim so my knowledge in regards to the circumstances are really weak.

Jihad is an integral part of Islam like fasting and prayers but it doesn't mean violence as is usually understood. It means 'struggle' to further the cause of the faith. For me the struggle is having to explain that Islam is not a religion of violence to my non-muslim friends, co-workers, neigbors, etc. For muslims that use Jihad to further their political/personal agendas in the name of Islam is completely wrong. IF you see a muslim that really practices the religion instead of exploiting it, you will see that we just ordinary people like everyone else.

Interseting historical note:
Jihad=struggle
Kampf (as in Mein Kampf) = Strugle

Maybe the extreme interpretations of the word "struggle" in our own culture are not that much more common in thiers.

 

[Infohawk]

I think you need to check out the threads where someone gets killed in the middle east and neocons extrapolate that to say muslims are 100% evil.

 

[judasmachine]

We are all taught to hate in one manner or another, whether it be skin color, rural people, foriegnors, etc. This wouldn't be any differant in Islam, as it is here. We have our nutjobs too, McVeigh, yeah remember him?

 

[earthman]

Individual muslims are people, people who have hopes and dreams, interests and fears... They're like anyone else (even if they do break out into a chorus of "ooolooolooloo" when someone dies)

Islam as a culture, however, is sick. And wrong. And the world is a LOT better off without it.

Is it anymore sick and wrong than Christianity was in the middle ages, or Judaism at the time of Christ? The Islamic world is going through a difficult transition, just as all societies dominated by theology have at some point. It would probably be easier if someone wasn't dropping bombs on them while they're doing it.

 

[daveshel]

Osama and company are exploiting Islam just like Bush and company are exploiting Christianity.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Individual muslims are people, people who have hopes and dreams, interests and fears... They're like anyone else (even if they do break out into a chorus of "ooolooolooloo" when someone dies)

Islam as a culture, however, is sick. And wrong. And the world is a LOT better off without it.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. American culture is sick also, have you watched TV lately?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
One good thing about Moslems is that they don't drink. Their writing is also much more beautiful than ours is. And here you gotta have lots and lots of money if you want to camp out in the desert in a tent every night. And you wonder why the stars all have Arabic names.

What. . . That was a drunk crak wan't it? C'mon, you know it was. Just 'cause I'm hammered right now doesn't meant I'm any less . . . what was my point?

I like your posts even more when you're trashed (or maybe it's when I'm trashed... who can even remember...?)

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
We are all taught to hate in one manner or another, whether it be skin color, rural people, foriegnors, etc. This wouldn't be any differant in Islam, as it is here. We have our nutjobs too, McVeigh, yeah remember him?

Bad analogy. McVeigh was not an international terrorist that fomented attacks on foreigners. I don't rmember him flying commercial aircraft into mosques in the ME and killing thousands of innocent Muslims in the process. Additionally, we dealt with McVeigh, we didn't encourage him, clap for him, nor were we cheering his accomplishment.

If Muslims want to prove they aren't bad and are peaceful, then they better reign in their radical element just like we did with McVeigh.

 

[her209]

This whole idea of terrorists = muslims = jihad thing is perpetuated by the media.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: her209
This whole idea of terrorists = muslims = jihad thing is perpetuated by the media.

Yeah. 9/11 was just a figment of your imagination. Now pay attention to the shiney watch moving back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. 9/11 was just a figment of your imagination. Now pay attention to the shiney watch moving back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...

So do you think the label terrorist should only be applied to people of Muslim faith?

Additionally, we dealt with McVeigh, we didn't encourage him, clap for him, nor were we cheering his accomplishment.

Christians clapped when they bomb abortion clinics. But hey, they're not terrorists!

 

[feralkid]

Muslins-a bad people?




Not a people at all, a type of fabric.

I don't think cloth can really be good or evil.


Although sometimes my washcloth tells me to "burn things".

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. 9/11 was just a figment of your imagination. Now pay attention to the shiney watch moving back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...

So do you think the label terrorist should only be applied to people of Muslim faith?

Is it? AFAIK, it's not a label that has ever been applied solely to Muslims. Just because in this day and age Muslims are the primary focus of terrorism it is no indication they are the only ones to which the term is applied.

Additionally, we dealt with McVeigh, we didn't encourage him, clap for him, nor were we cheering his accomplishment.

Christians clapped when they bomb abortion clinics. But hey, they're not terrorists!

Christians clapped when abortion clinics were bombed or doctors killed in cold blood? If so, why do we spend so mcuh time hunting down the jerks that do such things? Where is the big push in the Muslim world to bring in bin Laden? Do you see al Jazeera denouncing him as a criminal, or do they make excuses for his sick behavior instead?

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. 9/11 was just a figment of your imagination. Now pay attention to the shiney watch moving back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...

So do you think the label terrorist should only be applied to people of Muslim faith?

Is it? AFAIK, it's not a label that has ever been applied solely to Muslims. Just because in this day and age Muslims are the primary focus of terrorism it is no indication they are the only ones to which the term is applied.

Additionally, we dealt with McVeigh, we didn't encourage him, clap for him, nor were we cheering his accomplishment.

Christians clapped when they bomb abortion clinics. But hey, they're not terrorists!

Christians clapped when abortion clinics were bombed or doctors killed in cold blood? If so, why do we spend so mcuh time hunting down the jerks that do such things? Where is the big push in the Muslim world to bring in bin Laden? Do you see al Jazeera denouncing him as a criminal, or do they make excuses for his sick behavior instead?

Funny, I don't remember the media shoing me anything about Christian leaders denouncing abortion doctor-killers, just a bunch of radical preachers who justified the actions of these murderers. All Christians must be as evil as those snipers.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: judasmachine
We are all taught to hate in one manner or another, whether it be skin color, rural people, foriegnors, etc. This wouldn't be any differant in Islam, as it is here. We have our nutjobs too, McVeigh, yeah remember him?

Bad analogy. McVeigh was not an international terrorist that fomented attacks on foreigners. I don't rmember him flying commercial aircraft into mosques in the ME and killing thousands of innocent Muslims in the process. Additionally, we dealt with McVeigh, we didn't encourage him, clap for him, nor were we cheering his accomplishment.

If Muslims want to prove they aren't bad and are peaceful, then they better reign in their radical element just like we did with McVeigh.

You're right, I had just woke up and didn't think it through. McV, and the Nichols brothers weren't exactly the same type. There were people who may not have been dancing in the streets, but agreed nonetheless. I think the abortion clinic thing is a slightly better arguement. All I mean is that there are nutcases in every group and their voices seem to be louder than normal people. I don't exactly understand the Muslim mindset, as I don't think any of us really do, however branding them all as murderous zealots is a bit bigoted. I do know there were millions of americans with hard-ons when we caught Saddam, or even Noriega, or anyone else we've zealously demonized. (Note: Saddam was a total fvcktard)

Man, all I know is I'm being branded an imperialist arse just for living where I'm living, and I am any but imperialistic. I am a human being with wants, needs, and feelings just like EVERYONE else on this planet. There are and probably will always be those who are power hungry peices of crap. But please don't label entire groups (100 millions in this case) as inferior. They are flesh and blood just like you.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. 9/11 was just a figment of your imagination. Now pay attention to the shiney watch moving back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...

So do you think the label terrorist should only be applied to people of Muslim faith?

Is it? AFAIK, it's not a label that has ever been applied solely to Muslims. Just because in this day and age Muslims are the primary focus of terrorism it is no indication they are the only ones to which the term is applied.

Additionally, we dealt with McVeigh, we didn't encourage him, clap for him, nor were we cheering his accomplishment.

Christians clapped when they bomb abortion clinics. But hey, they're not terrorists!

Christians clapped when abortion clinics were bombed or doctors killed in cold blood? If so, why do we spend so mcuh time hunting down the jerks that do such things? Where is the big push in the Muslim world to bring in bin Laden? Do you see al Jazeera denouncing him as a criminal, or do they make excuses for his sick behavior instead?

Funny, I don't remember the media shoing me anything about Christian leaders denouncing abortion doctor-killers, just a bunch of radical preachers who justified the actions of these murderers. All Christians must be as evil as those snipers.

Again, those people are being or have been hunted down for their crimes in the US.

Also, those killing abortion doctors are a national problem. Almost every country has problems with terrorism of one kind or another in-country. The Muslim brand of terrorism is crossing borders.