Muslims press U.N. for truce in Lebanon...
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Haha. What do people think a short term ceasefire will actually accomplish? Let Hezbollah regroup and dig in?
If people would kill your kids, would you be cheering them on? As the US found out in Vietnam destroying a guerilla army is not that easy, especially not if you also kill hundreds of kids when killing a few dozen guerillas. The parents of those kids just lost what they were living for, and will be extremely pissed off. For every Hezbollah soldier that died they created several new ones.
If Israel does not stop anytime soon chances are high that Syria and/or Iran will get more actively involved, and as the US will immediately back up Israel that will mean quite a large war. If it doesn't mean WW III it still means that the US will have to keep an army in Lebanon, Syria and Iran, as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel doesn't have enough soldiers for an occupational army, so the US be the one to take all the damage (attacks on soldiers like in Iraq, guerilla armies f**king up the country like in Afghanistan, etc).
How many millions of soldiers can the US place there without compromising US security?
Edit: And regrouping and digging in is something a regular army tends to do, as Hezbollah is a guerilla army they just move around constantly. Unless Israel is willing to sweep through all of Lebanon killing everyone who stays and destroying everything totally they will just move to a different part. Israel does not have the manpower to controll all of Lebanon, so they can just sneak past, or if needed fall back to neighbouring countries. Do you think Israel dare attack Syria too? Or other countries in the region?
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Cease fires have been requested/cryed for everytime Israel has been kicking the (Arab) ass.
All 5 Arab-Israeli wars, the PLO extermination from Lebanon in the 80s and everytime the PLO/PA was earned a slapping in Gaza.
Of course, the cease fire is not expected to have to be honored by the Israeli opponents the day the fighting stops.
All 5 Arab-Israeli wars, the PLO extermination from Lebanon in the 80s and everytime the PLO/PA was earned a slapping in Gaza.
Of course, the cease fire is not expected to have to be honored by the Israeli opponents the day the fighting stops.
As if Israel ever stuck to a ceasefire. If during a ceasefire some Hamas guy decides to fire a rocket then all of Hamas is not sticking to it, but on Israeli side it's always 'an act of an individual' if it's broken, just like it's 'not Israeli policy' to target civilians. Yet those who do it are hardly ever punished.
its a very good example of the blatent hypocracy and manipulation of the UN.
Condemn Isreal, demand a ceasefire, threaten Isreal with extinction again.
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Hamas policy has been not not acknowledge any ceasefire or acknowlege the existence of Israel.
The Palestinian people chose Hamas as there political leadership.
The PLO policy was the same as Hamas.
The same exists in Lebanon.
Why is it ok to poke the tiger and then complain when you get clawed. Self responsibility.
The U.N. is going to do jack ******. Israel can carpet bomb entire Lebanon and all the U.N. will and can do is sit back and say "stop it. i mean it. stop it!!!"
There are some good U.N. organizations (unicef, wto?, etc). but the main body is just crap.
The U.N. is just a rubber stamp really.
There are some good U.N. organizations (unicef, wto?, etc). but the main body is just crap.
The U.N. is just a rubber stamp really.
Hezbollah's capabilities are not decreasing as fast as Israel would have liked.
The prime minister of Israel said 80% of Hezbollah's military capabilities have been destroyed and then the day after 200+ rockets rained down on Israel and then the following day as well. The highest number of rocket attacks since the start of the war. Two Israel tanks have now been lost from anti-tank missiles with the death toll rising. Numerous other tanks have been taken out by mines or have been disabled.
The cease-fire is to stop the civilians from dying. Hezbollah doesn't care about Lebanon at this point. They wanted this fight and this is making them stronger. I doubt they joined Hezbollah just for the free tea and cookies. They joined to fight Israel.
The prime minister of Israel said 80% of Hezbollah's military capabilities have been destroyed and then the day after 200+ rockets rained down on Israel and then the following day as well. The highest number of rocket attacks since the start of the war. Two Israel tanks have now been lost from anti-tank missiles with the death toll rising. Numerous other tanks have been taken out by mines or have been disabled.
The cease-fire is to stop the civilians from dying. Hezbollah doesn't care about Lebanon at this point. They wanted this fight and this is making them stronger. I doubt they joined Hezbollah just for the free tea and cookies. They joined to fight Israel.
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How stupid is that? If you willingly live in the state of Israel, you believe that Israel is the true home of the Jewish people and that's, for you, is Zionism.
Zionism, as opposed to what's portrayed here and there, is not drinking children blood.
It's about the same as if that Iranian whacko told he will destroy all the followers of the American constitute. That's in other words, destroying the US.
Just don't be surprised when Teharan receives some "collateral damage" in a year or two.
YES!! Israel is willing to irradicate the Hezbollah plague.
Actually Israel is very capable of controling all of lebanon. There are millions of Israeli`s who presently are not living in Israel who would be willing to come back and serve in the IDF. Trust me when I say that. It`s very true. All the IDF does is have to ask. YES!! Alot have already volunteered.
Israel's military is not designed for occupation.
Why?
Their population is really small.
Total number of Jews in the world? 14 million.
You cannot have all the men inside Israel go to the IDF to fight. The economy will halt because everyone is out fighting rather than contributing to the economy.
Why?
Their population is really small.
Total number of Jews in the world? 14 million.
You cannot have all the men inside Israel go to the IDF to fight. The economy will halt because everyone is out fighting rather than contributing to the economy.
Originally posted by: IrateLeaf
YES!! Israel is willing to irradicate the Hezbollah plague.
Actually Israel is very capable of controling all of lebanon. There are millions of Israeli`s who presently are not living in Israel who would be willing to come back and serve in the IDF. Trust me when I say that. It`s very true. All the IDF does is have to ask. YES!! Alot have already volunteered.
How old are you? I've seen a few of your posts and most of them have informational loading of C&C manual. Why are we talking about occupation of Lebanon now?
Thats what every Arab state has done since the 1940s. Invade Israel, quickly get repulsed and chased right back into their own country, and then cry like little girls for the UN to make the Israeli "aggressor" get off them. They always start fights they can't finish, their people pay the price, and their ridiculous countries go staight to poop.
Has anyone ever asked themselves why, if you stand at the border between Israel and Lebanon, is one side of the border green and productive arable farmland, and the other side, just a few feet away, is brown and barren desert wasteland? Its because these stupid apes have wasted their countries and people for 60 years on some imaginary struggle they've ALWAYS lost, while the Israelis have settled down and prospered and tried to live their lives like human beings.
A truce should be made as soon as possible
[*]to end the suffering of the Lebanese civilians and to improve medical and other support in the war zones
[*]to fight the environmental disaster at Lebanon's coast
[*]and because the formation of a new UN force (which in my opinion is both in the interest of Israel and Lebanon and must be accepted by Hezbollah in today's situation) will progress very slowly because nobody is going to make significant promises as long as the weapons speak
About the article: Muslim countries aren't the only ones demanding a ceasefire or criticising Israel for human right /Geneva treaty violations. The interesting thing in this article isn't Ahmadinedjad's well-known rhetoric but the Malaysian prime minister's, Badawi, quote that the OIC countries will contribute to a new UN peace mission if one should be formed. (I've read a more decided quote in another newspaper, compared with the one from this article).
[*]to end the suffering of the Lebanese civilians and to improve medical and other support in the war zones
[*]to fight the environmental disaster at Lebanon's coast
[*]and because the formation of a new UN force (which in my opinion is both in the interest of Israel and Lebanon and must be accepted by Hezbollah in today's situation) will progress very slowly because nobody is going to make significant promises as long as the weapons speak
About the article: Muslim countries aren't the only ones demanding a ceasefire or criticising Israel for human right /Geneva treaty violations. The interesting thing in this article isn't Ahmadinedjad's well-known rhetoric but the Malaysian prime minister's, Badawi, quote that the OIC countries will contribute to a new UN peace mission if one should be formed. (I've read a more decided quote in another newspaper, compared with the one from this article).
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Originally posted by: Trianon
These are big words for a little guy hiding his profile
I take it you are Iranian of some sort, right? Afraid of your homeland yet another violent adventure not materializing the way it expects?
Wrong on all accounts
I am not related to Middle East at all and live in the USA. But seeing what Israeli war machine is doing to Lebanon, I can't support Israel's plans of today. Also it seems to me that without support from the USA government Israel and people like you would have hard time making testosterone-filled remarks you peppered this board with in last two weeks.
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Originally posted by: Trianon
Wrong on all accounts
Yes. Also, without support from the US goverment, Europe would have been Naziland right now.
The Israeli war machine is pretty restrained at the moment.
The Middle East has always been a violent region and will continue being so, with or without Israel. The "testosterone-filled remarks" just describe the way way things are around here, not that you would know.
When you go and fight, that's essentially "testostorone-filled".
BTW, Israel did just fine with no US support up to around 1967.
Originally posted by: Trianon
Wrong on all accounts
First things first. if everything was on an equal footing in the middle east this would have never happenned in the first place.
But since you sem to believe that Israel without the US support would be able to fend for herself just fine. You are mistaken.
Just like we all know the Soviet union is selling arms to Syria and Iran.
We all know whats happens after every cease fire that Israel has agreed too.
They end up giving back the land they have occupied . Eventually somebody does something stoopid and the cycle starts all over.
Let me tell you the cycle won`t start all over this time.
You wonder why the Muslims want a truce?
One reason - they are getting there butts kicked and they need the truce in order to re-arm.
The truce has nothing to do with the supposed women and children being killed by both sides.
Hezbollah does not care about the women and children who they use a human shields.
Plus Syria is scared that israel might attack them just to make a point!!
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Originally posted by: Trianon
Wrong on all accounts
Yes. Also, without support from the US goverment, Europe would have been Naziland right now.
The Israeli war machine is pretty restrained at the moment.
The Middle East has always been a violent region and will continue being so, with or without Israel. The "testosterone-filled remarks" just describe the way way things are around here, not that you would know.
When you go and fight, that's essentially "testostorone-filled".
BTW, Israel did just fine with no US support up to around 1967.
Exactly!!! It was`nt until the Soviet Union was aiding Syria, jordan and iran that the US got involved.
In fact over 95% of all US aid to Israel was given after 1967.
Israel did things the old fashioned way - they kicked butt!!
here is what will happen -
When israel is ready a truce will happen. Not before!
When the truce happen the UN peacekeeping force will occupy the land that Israel tell them too.
Why you ask will israel get to dictate what is occupied?
Simple - There will never be a truce if israel is NOT given what it wants.
Israel is 100% correct in what they are doing.
They will set up a buffer themselves and then a truce will follow and the peacekeeping force will occupy the land as a buffer.
YES!! Aimster is correct when he states that Israel`s military is not designed for occupation.
But they are designed to kick butt!! hehehe
It does have everything to do with civilians being killed. Official death toll in Lebanon is near 1000 and only 100 or so of those are from Hizballah. All I am saying, I would've supported a special forces retaliation for kidnapping, political pressure on Lebanese govt, but carpet bombing entire country into stone age I can't support.
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