Muslims and terrorism, a different perspective

gunf1ghter

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I don't think you will find anyone here who seriously thinks that all muslims are bad (or even the majority of them).

What I have a problem with is your candy ass comparison of the indiscriminate targeting of civilians by muslim terrorsts "in the name of God" with military action by the IDF. There's no freaking comparison.
 

nihil

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i think something like 5 or 10% of muslims are considered extremists. it's just sad that certain ignorant people will go to lengths to say that ALL muslims are bad, including the media in the us.
 

gunf1ghter

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I do believe that when a religion indoctrinates (i.e., brainwashes) it's followers into believing that suicide to take out the enemy is a good thing, and this is a widely adopted philosophy, it is a bad thing. There's a reason we have seperation of church and state in this country, to prevent shiznit like that from happening.
 

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<< i think something like 5 or 10% of muslims are considered extremists. >>


That certainly depends on how you define extremist
 

308nato

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As I have stated before regarding my opinion, the Muslims citizens of the US are not a problem. Are your sources US based or in, say....saudi arabia?

I make no apology. F@ck them.
 

gunf1ghter

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If you think that there are no muslim terrorists or sympathizers in the US I've got a bridge to sell you.
 

nihil

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<< i think something like 5 or 10% of muslims are considered extremists. >>


That certainly depends on how you define extremist
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extremist as in "hey i'm going to blow the hell out of 50 jews in the name of allah". i hope that clears things up. :)
 

308nato

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<< If you think that there are no muslim terrorists or sympathizers in the US I've got a bridge to sell you. >>



I don't think I said that.
 

gunf1ghter

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<< the Muslims citizens of the US are not a problem >>



In fact some of them ARE a problem. There are many muslims in the US who send money back to Palistine knowing it will be used to fund terror attacks, pay the families of suicide bombers, etc.

I think it's great that the US is cracking down on non profit fronts that shuffle money to these beeyatches. I just wish we would do the same thing with Irish-American charities that shuttle money back to the IRA.
 

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<< i think something like 5 or 10% of muslims are considered extremists. >>



That's a kind number but let's use it. 10% of muslims population, say 500 mil, = 50 million. That's alarming.
Plus, why didn't moderate muslims strongly express their disagreement with those extremists???
 

b0mbrman

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<< i think something like 5 or 10% of muslims are considered extremists. >>


That certainly depends on how you define extremist
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extremist as in "hey i'm going to blow the hell out of 50 jews in the name of allah". i hope that clears things up. :)
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Woah! So 1 in 10 Muslims (or roughly 5million Muslims in America) would be willing to strap on a suicide bomb? That sure freaks *me* out :p

Just kidding :)

No no...I was just saying that it's hard to decide because there's varying views on how involved you have to be before you're considered an extremist.

(1) Ready and willing to strap on a suicide bomb
(2) Ready to prepare suicide bombs, actively recruit suicide bombers
(3) Supportive with tangible stuff i.e. money, time, space
(4) Supportive with intangible stuff i.e. words, votes
(5) Passively supportive or not *unsupportive i.e. don't condemn suicide bombers, think they're justified in doing what they do...
 

nihil

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imo, extremist would be defined as anyone that is willing to hurt other people in the name of religion. religion is *supposed* to be about peace, not violence. therefore, anyone that commits violence in the name of religion no matter which one they subscribe to is a hypocrite.
 

Nitemare

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<< I don't think you will find anyone here who seriously thinks that all muslims are bad (or even the majority of them).

What I have a problem with is your candy ass comparison of the indiscriminate targeting of civilians by muslim terrorsts "in the name of God" with military action by the IDF. There's no freaking comparison.
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Take the hate elsewhere. A civilian death is a civilian death. If I were to kill 3000 people by accident and you were to kill 3 intentionally, who would be more wrong? Targeting civilians is a crime against humanity and they will have Allah's judgement to reckon with.

In case you didn't notice this thread was about muslims who were against terrorism..not muslim extremists who like to kill Israeli's.

Just informing everybody that it isn't a religious war. Most muslims oppose terrorism as well, just like most Christians oppose people masquerading as Jesus Christ incarnated forming a cult and seeing how many chicks he can brainwash and impregnate before the Fed's come down and bomb him out. Bin ladin tried to make this a religious war..Muslims against Christians, don't continue his work.

Try reading before scanning the links then posting or you wouldn't have to ask some of these questions

I think 5-10% of muslims is way too high. The rash of female suicide-bombers is proof of that. They ran out of men volunteers.

 

308nato

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<< the Muslims citizens of the US are not a problem >>



In fact some of them ARE a problem. There are many muslims in the US who send money back to Palistine knowing it will be used to fund terror attacks, pay the families of suicide bombers, etc.

I think it's great that the US is cracking down on non profit fronts that shuffle money to these beeyatches. I just wish we would do the same thing with Irish-American charities that shuttle money back to the IRA.
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I agree. My definition of problem refers more to direct threat I guess. I fear not what I can image in my sight picture.
 

Texmaster

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<< i think something like 5 or 10% of muslims are considered extremists. >>


That certainly depends on how you define extremist
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Boy does it.
 

Texmaster

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<< I don't think you will find anyone here who seriously thinks that all muslims are bad (or even the majority of them).

What I have a problem with is your candy ass comparison of the indiscriminate targeting of civilians by muslim terrorsts "in the name of God" with military action by the IDF. There's no freaking comparison.
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Take the hate elsewhere. A civilian death is a civilian death. If I were to kill 3000 people by accident and you were to kill 3 intentionally, who would be more wrong?
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The people who did it intentionally.

Thats why we have more than one type of Murder to try people for. *groan*
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<< In case you didn't notice this thread was about muslims who were against terrorism..not muslim extremists who like to kill Israeli's. >>




Speaking of that I am getting tired of you claiming all of these people here are saying that "ALL Muslims are bad" Who are these people? And the quotes where they said it would be helpful.

You always ask for links from people, its time you provided some of your own.




<< Just informing everybody that it isn't a religious war. Most muslims oppose terrorism as well, just like most Christians oppose people masquerading as Jesus Christ incarnated forming a cult and seeing how many chicks he can brainwash and impregnate before the Fed's come down and bomb him out. Bin ladin tried to make this a religious war..Muslims against Christians, don't continue his work. >>



I don't believe for a second the precentages are as low as you claim. That may be the amount that are actually doing the dirty work but the amount that DONATE is FAR higher.



<< I think 5-10% of muslims is way too high. The rash of female suicide-bombers is proof of that. They ran out of men volunteers. >>



LOL No its not! All that proves is that they knew women could get by easier than men!
 

Nitemare

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<< The people who did it intentionally.

Thats why we have more than one type of Murder to try people for. *groan*
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Tell that to the 3000 victims family members



<< Speaking of that I am getting tired of you claiming all of these people here are saying that "ALL Muslims are bad" Who are these people? And the quotes where they said it would be helpful. >>



This is a typical prayer recited in Mosques, both in the Middle East and here locally in the West. -BS-think you know what this refers to

Billy Graham's son was dead on we he said that Islam is an evil religion. Truth is brutal, but what are you going to do?

Oh gee, let's all pretend that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Much of the Koran is one giant "Kill Jew Boy" rant. One of Muhammad's big accomplishments was slaughtering Jew and driving them from Mecca.

maybe Islam should be peaceful, but as interpreted by the mass of barbarians over there, it is not, and that's all that really matters.

I don't think its the Muslim down the hall I'm worried about. But still, f@ck them.

"i will eat your children! praise to allah!"

All this from one thread in which you posted on more than one occasion. You make my job way to easy Tex.



<< I don't believe for a second the precentages are as low as you claim. That may be the amount that are actually doing the dirty work but the amount that DONATE is FAR higher. >>



Ok, what percentage do you think are extremist and support suicide bombings?



<< I think 5-10% of muslims is way too high. The rash of female suicide-bombers is proof of that. They ran out of men volunteers.

LOL No its not! All that proves is that they knew women could get by easier than men!
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No, if you know of their treatment of women that this is bizarre even for them
 

Texmaster

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<< The people who did it intentionally.

Thats why we have more than one type of Murder to try people for. *groan*
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<< Tell that to the 3000 victims family members >>



What the hell dopes that mean? You said there was only one type of murder and I told you we have laws that handle all different types of murder from self defense to murder one. The Victims of the WTC are ALL Murder one victims but if a pilot accidently flew a plan into a building because of Engine trouble, that is different just like the Palestinian deaths in Jenin and the VASTLY different Israeli deaths that were INTENTIONAL.

Jesus, stick your head up once in a while and look around.



<< This is a typical prayer recited in Mosques, both in the Middle East and here locally in the West. -BS-think you know what this refers to

Billy Graham's son was dead on we he said that Islam is an evil religion. Truth is brutal, but what are you going to do?

Oh gee, let's all pretend that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Much of the Koran is one giant "Kill Jew Boy" rant. One of Muhammad's big accomplishments was slaughtering Jew and driving them from Mecca.

maybe Islam should be peaceful, but as interpreted by the mass of barbarians over there, it is not, and that's all that really matters.

I don't think its the Muslim down the hall I'm worried about. But still, f@ck them.

"i will eat your children! praise to allah!"
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Gee and not one of those quotes (which you didn't have the guts to put who said them, Not a SINGLE one said "all Muslims are bad"

Hell not even one said All Muslims ANYTHING. I knew you were full of it.



<< All this from one thread in which you posted on more than one occasion. You make my job way to easy Tex. >>



LOL You make My job too easy. Not one of them EVER used the words "all Musims" ANYWHERE. Nice try little buddy :)

Next time don't be so lazy to only look in one thread for your info. Man did you screw the pooch on this one :D



<< Ok, what percentage do you think are extremist and support suicide bombings? >>



Again it depends on what you are calling extreme. I consider people who donate money and protest in the name of the bombers Extreme. Given the lack of ONE SINGLE pro-peace demonstration in ANY of the Arab states I'd say the number is well past 50%.



<< No, if you know of their treatment of women that this is bizarre even for them >>



Really! Where is it written that only men can be terrorists? LOL
 

Nitemare

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<< Tell that to the 3000 victims family members >>



What the hell dopes that mean? You said there was only one type of murder and I told you we have laws that handle all different types of murder from self defense to murder one. The Victims of the WTC are ALL Murder one victims but if a pilot accidently flew a plan into a building because of Engine trouble, that is different just like the Palestinian deaths in Jenin and the VASTLY different Israeli deaths that were INTENTIONAL.[/i] >>



So a Palestininian civilian death means nothing when compared to an Israeli civilian death because of the way they died?



<< This is a typical prayer recited in Mosques, both in the Middle East and here locally in the West. -BS-think you know what this refers to

Billy Graham's son was dead on we he said that Islam is an evil religion. Truth is brutal, but what are you going to do?

Oh gee, let's all pretend that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Much of the Koran is one giant "Kill Jew Boy" rant. One of Muhammad's big accomplishments was slaughtering Jew and driving them from Mecca.

maybe Islam should be peaceful, but as interpreted by the mass of barbarians over there, it is not, and that's all that really matters.

I don't think its the Muslim down the hall I'm worried about. But still, f@ck them.

"i will eat your children! praise to allah!"

Gee and not one of those quotes (which you didn't have the guts to put who said them, Not a SINGLE one said "all Muslims are bad"

Hell not even one said All Muslims ANYTHING. I knew you were full of it.
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Just go to that thread, I don't like pointing fingers and calling everyone names..unlike certain other posters.....which I will not name :D

But nowhere near as full of hate as you and everyone that condemns everyone who isn't Pro-Israel and Anti-Palestine. I've more than made my point.



<< All this from one thread in which you posted on more than one occasion. You make my job way to easy Tex.

LOL You make My job too easy. Not one of them EVER used the words "all Musims" ANYWHERE. Nice try little buddy :)

Next time don't be so lazy to only look in one thread for your info. Man did you screw the pooch on this one :D
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As anyone can tell you who isn't a subscriber, the forums are close to useless around this time of day. This is why I haven't subscribed. Before you call me a cheapass, I'm the only member in the household who is working and I'm paying two tuitions and have a car payment...So I can't exactly wait they required ten minutes for every page to load.



<< Ok, what percentage do you think are extremist and support suicide bombings?

Again it depends on what you are calling extreme. I consider people who donate money and protest in the name of the bombers Extreme. Given the lack of ONE SINGLE pro-peace demonstration in ANY of the Arab states I'd say the number is well past 50%.
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So every half of all muslims are terrorist sympathsizers..LOL, I dare you to take a survey. Just because most muslims are pro-palestinians doesn't mean they are for suicide bombing. I'm pro-Christian, but I'm not pro-child molesting, yet I don't demonstrate on the proper handling of children...Your bigotry shines through good buddy ;)



<< No, if you know of their treatment of women that this is bizarre even for them

Really! Where is it written that only men can be terrorists? LOL
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You act like I'm the only one that knows that women are treated like second class citizens by certain Arab groups. Your ignorance surprises me...

<--Places the ball back in your court
 

308nato

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"I don't think its the Muslim down the hall I'm worried about. But still, f@ck them."

<< Speaking of that I am getting tired of you claiming all of these people here are saying that "ALL Muslims are bad" Who are these people? And the quotes where they said it would be helpful. >>

Hey. Nitemare. Don't go twisting what I said to back up up your fantasies. Point it to me where I said all muslims are bad? The quote you are trying to use here was made by me to indicate that the muslim citizens of the USA aren't a problem to me. I don't think all muslims are bad. It's just that I am equal opportunity. F@ck them all. Good bad or indifferent. I could care less.

What I do think is bad is an apologist such as yourself that has to resort to twisting words in order to get your point across. What's your major malfunction?

Edited to remove a word which was used in anger.
 

Texmaster

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<< So a Palestininian civilian death means nothing when compared to an Israeli civilian death because of the way they died? >>





<< Just go to that thread, I don't like pointing fingers and calling everyone names..unlike certain other posters.....which I will not name :D

But nowhere near as full of hate as you and everyone that condemns everyone who isn't Pro-Israel and Anti-Palestine. I've more than made my point.
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HAHAHHAHA Typical Nitemare challenge his BS facts and you are automatically a hate monger.

LOL Just becaise I proved you quoted people who NEVER even came CLOSE to saying "all Muslims are bad" And you ran. What a shocker ;)



<< As anyone can tell you who isn't a subscriber, the forums are close to useless around this time of day. This is why I haven't subscribed. Before you call me a cheapass, I'm the only member in the household who is working and I'm paying two tuitions and have a car payment...So I can't exactly wait they required ten minutes for every page to load. >>



Oh I see. Its the FORUMS fault you can't find the evidence hehe Then why did you try to pass off those BS quotes as your "evidence" little buddy? LOL

Its always someone else's fault isn't it Nitemare? To be fair I did that too. Then I turned 7 :)



<< So every half of all muslims are terrorist sympathsizers..LOL, I dare you to take a survey. Just because most muslims are pro-palestinians doesn't mean they are for suicide bombing. I'm pro-Christian, but I'm not pro-child molesting, yet I don't demonstrate on the proper handling of children...Your bigotry shines through good buddy ;) >>



I dare you to take a survey LOL Sure, I'll just pop over there.

I'll give you an easier way. Find me one just one pro-peace not even pro-israeli march of ANY kind in ANY Muslim dominated state. Just ONE.



<< You act like I'm the only one that knows that women are treated like second class citizens by certain Arab groups. Your ignorance surprises me... >>



I never said women were not treated as second class citizins little buddy. There you go again making people's statements up all by yourself ;)

What I said was where does it say that women cannot BE terrorists? Where does it say that?
 

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that site is a peice of junk....i've read their explanations for a few questions and most of them go around the problem and not at the heart of this....for example...

In the faq section



<< How do you justify in Allah's name the justice meted out by sharia?

Harriet Brand


Dear Harriet,

As a general matter, Islamic law is based on the notion that God is supreme over all, and while He, may He be glorified, may demand things of us, we can demand nothing of Him. Nevertheless, out of His infinite mercy, His commands are in accord with what benefits human beings. Nonetheless, some of His commands are done purely for the sake of testing us: will we be faithful to His command, or will we succumb to our lusts? Submitting to what is known to be God's command is at the heart of being a Muslim, even if faithful execution of that command brings with it grave hardship. If you are a Christian or a Jew, you certainly know that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son . . . If you believe in a transcendent, all-powerful God, you know that He commands certain things merely to test our faithfulness: that is the bottom line when it comes to religious justification.

> people accused of adultury are buried in a pit and
> stoned to death,

Actually, to be convicted of adultery in Islamic law, there must be four male witnesses to the act of penetration. That is the only acceptable evidence for such a punishment (other than confession). Accusation of adultery, followed by failure to produce four eye witnesess leads to automatic punishment for slander.

> or
> pickpockets have their hands amputated?

In Islamic law, a thief who steals property exceeding a certain value is subject to having his hand amputated. This is based upon an express verse in the Quran, although the nature of the property addressed (it must be sufficiently protected) and the amount are certainly a matter requiring human judgment. The main point of this stern punishment is to communicate the gravity of the sin of theft, not to amputate hands. Islamic law has very high standards of proof that are not easily satisfied. Finally, Muslim rulers have often refrained from applying this punishment when circumstances, such as poverty, force people into crime.

One final point: with regards to certain crimes, such as adultery and theft, for which God has provided mandatory punishments, Islam views these punishments as acts of penance, and thus are vehicles to cleanse the sin itself. For that reason, I know of no instance in which the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, applied one of these punishments against a recalicitrant person.



Peace,

Mohammad Fadel
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<< > people accused of adultury are buried in a pit and
> stoned to death,

Actually, to be convicted of adultery in Islamic law, there must be four male witnesses to the act of penetration. That is the only acceptable evidence for such a punishment (other than confession). Accusation of adultery, followed by failure to produce four eye witnesess leads to automatic punishment for slander.
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Just look at the reasoning given above , so stupid, atleast they could have brought some smart talker to do the faq section So does that mean if one is witnessed by four other people , the person can be stoned to death?....cheating is bad...but sex is a damn primal characteristics of all people.

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<< > pickpockets have their hands amputated?

In Islamic law, a thief who steals property exceeding a certain value is subject to having his hand amputated. This is based upon an express verse in the Quran, although the nature of the property addressed (it must be sufficiently protected) and the amount are certainly a matter requiring human judgment. The main point of this stern punishment is to communicate the gravity of the sin of theft, not to amputate hands. Islamic law has very high standards of proof that are not easily satisfied. Finally, Muslim rulers have often refrained from applying this punishment when circumstances, such as poverty, force people into crime.
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Oh I see ...Yup Im A moron and everything u just said makes perfect sense....cut peoples hands because they steal..and ruin their life....






<< If you are a Christian or a Jew, you certainly know that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son . . . If you believe in a transcendent, all-powerful God, you know that He commands certain things merely to test our faithfulness: that is the bottom line when it comes to religious justification. >>



If god wants me to sacrifice my brother or father or son....i will no way do it dammit!!!! i will lose all respect for him and fight against him....goddamn bullsh!t that he wants to test our faithfulness by taking our loved ones... if god is truly there he is supposed to love us and take good care of us....( the justification that just becos some book says god commands u to do certain senseless things...makes no sense to me at all).the least he can do is let the place run without tampering with it...instead of giving commands like...sacrifice ur son to me to show ur loyalty and crapp like that....this brand of religionism is plain stupid i dont take the bible as it is...i try to take the best of it.....and not the absolute senseless crap that might have been relevant during stone age.


amen!