Muslim students and teachers put buddhists on the run

raildogg

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Scared teachers seek to leave Thai Muslim south

By Nopporn Wong-Anan

LAHAN, Thailand, Jan 25 (Reuters) - A month after the siege at Lahan school in Thailand's restive Muslim south, Buddhist teachers say they are scared and want transfers out of the region where 1,100 people have died in separatist violence.

The government school re-opened on Monday a month after nine teachers were held by 50 students and parents in protest against the police detention of two men from the village in the province of Narathiwat.

"We just couldn't believe those people were the same pupils whom we taught and cooked lunch for every day," said a Buddhist teacher who thought he would be killed by the angry crowd.

Pupils, aged 6-14, and parents had blocked the school's main gate after the local mosque announced on its loudspeakers that two Muslim men had been arrested by the police.

"When I looked into their eyes, they just looked so indifferent to what they were doing," said the teacher, who declined to be identified.

Teachers and state-run schools have been frequent targets as symbols of the government of overwhelmingly Buddhist Thailand in faraway Bangkok.

After the siege, the Baan Lahan School was closed for a month because teachers said they were too afraid to teach their students turned hostage-takers.

"We were too demoralised to come to teach those pupils on the following day. The provincial education ministry office told us to rest to restore our morale," said the teacher.

Lahan is one of several villages in the area believed by security officials to be a hot spot in the violence-plagued region, where deadly attacks have killed security personnel and civilians, Buddhists and Muslims alike, including teachers.

After classes were suspended, the school became a security post with 50 soldiers and police camped in the classrooms and parking their patrol vehicles in the compound.

The villagers eventually asked the teachers to resume classes, promising that they would not be harmed.

The teachers now travel to and from the school in a motorcade of heavily-armed troops and police on motorcycles and in a Humvee military truck.

The 5-kilometre (3 miles) route to the school passes by lush rubber plantations where two policemen and one Buddhist civilian have been killed in bomb and gun attacks that have marred the Malay-speaking region in the past two years.

Although no teacher from the Lahan School has been killed in the violence, half of its original 20 teachers have left the area and others are seeking to get out.

"We are all stressed out here," said another Buddhist teacher. "I have requested to be transferred out of the school for a year after 11 years of teaching in this region. The pupils just don't feel connected to their teachers here."

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Seems like religious tensions are rising in every part of this world. Whether it be radical Islam fighting freedom of speech in Europe, or killing innocents in India, or this.

It seems like the radicals are targeting people who do the most good to society - teachers. The radicals want people to remain ignorant so they will follow the radical path instead of bettering their lives.

The only way to defeat radicalism is to educate people across this world.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: raildogg

Seems like religious tensions are rising in every part of this world. Whether it be radical Islam fighting freedom of speech in Europe, or killing innocents in India, or this.

It seems like the radicals are targeting people who do the most good to society - teachers. The radicals want people to remain ignorant so they will follow the radical path instead of bettering their lives.

The only way to defeat radicalism is to educate people across this world.

Well before you start blaming this on the Muslim , go read up on treatment of Muslims by the government and see what is going on. To act like the Muslims are the aggressors in this situation is not true.
I'm glad those teachers were freed and none of them have been hurt, but these teachers represent and symbolize the government. The government is very intolerant of Muslims (majority IIRC are probably Malay and not Thai) so regretfully in the end these teachers became the victims of outlashes against the government.

A story without any previous understanding of the situation can be just as misleading as pure yellow journalism.
 

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg

Seems like religious tensions are rising in every part of this world. Whether it be radical Islam fighting freedom of speech in Europe, or killing innocents in India, or this.

It seems like the radicals are targeting people who do the most good to society - teachers. The radicals want people to remain ignorant so they will follow the radical path instead of bettering their lives.

The only way to defeat radicalism is to educate people across this world.

Well before you start blaming this on the Muslim , go read up on treatment of Muslims by the government and see what is going on. To act like the Muslims are the aggressors in this situation is not true.
I'm glad those teachers were freed and none of them have been hurt, but these teachers represent and symbolize the government. The government is very intolerant of Muslims (majority IIRC are probably Malay and not Thai) so regretfully in the end these teachers became the victims of outlashes against the government.

A story without any previous understanding of the situation can be just as misleading as pure yellow journalism.

Yea :roll:

Everyone everywhere is persecuting you right?
 

Aimster

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The article mentions everyone is a victim on the violence.

It doesn't really blame Muslims as they have been victims too.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: Aimster
The article mentions everyone is a victim on the violence.

It doesn't really blame Muslims as they have been victims too.

They have been victims but they are singling themselves out as a group. Saying Allah this and Allah that and then bombing things automatically singles yourself out.
 

Aimster

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Allah is not a Muslim God. It is how you say God in Arabic.

If it was a Muslim God you would have a point.
 

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg

Seems like religious tensions are rising in every part of this world. Whether it be radical Islam fighting freedom of speech in Europe, or killing innocents in India, or this.

It seems like the radicals are targeting people who do the most good to society - teachers. The radicals want people to remain ignorant so they will follow the radical path instead of bettering their lives.

The only way to defeat radicalism is to educate people across this world.

Well before you start blaming this on the Muslim , go read up on treatment of Muslims by the government and see what is going on. To act like the Muslims are the aggressors in this situation is not true.
I'm glad those teachers were freed and none of them have been hurt, but these teachers represent and symbolize the government. The government is very intolerant of Muslims (majority IIRC are probably Malay and not Thai) so regretfully in the end these teachers became the victims of outlashes against the government.

A story without any previous understanding of the situation can be just as misleading as pure yellow journalism.

They are killing killing buddhist in the area because they are buddhist.
 

Finality

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg

Seems like religious tensions are rising in every part of this world. Whether it be radical Islam fighting freedom of speech in Europe, or killing innocents in India, or this.

It seems like the radicals are targeting people who do the most good to society - teachers. The radicals want people to remain ignorant so they will follow the radical path instead of bettering their lives.

The only way to defeat radicalism is to educate people across this world.

Well before you start blaming this on the Muslim , go read up on treatment of Muslims by the government and see what is going on. To act like the Muslims are the aggressors in this situation is not true.
I'm glad those teachers were freed and none of them have been hurt, but these teachers represent and symbolize the government. The government is very intolerant of Muslims (majority IIRC are probably Malay and not Thai) so regretfully in the end these teachers became the victims of outlashes against the government.

A story without any previous understanding of the situation can be just as misleading as pure yellow journalism.

Yea :roll:

Everyone everywhere is persecuting you right?

Standard muslim defense line. We're being persecuted everywhere so its our excuse to do whatever we want!
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Allah is not a Muslim God. It is how you say God in Arabic.

If it was a Muslim God you would have a point.

What the hell is the relevance of that? He used the word in the proper context. Why not contribute something usefull.

As far as them not starting it, no they didn't start it when they started the violence in demanding tailand split a chunk of itself off for a seperate nation so a bunch of wardlords can take control and beat people up.
 

magomago

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The funny part is you guys beleive what you say :D


DVK916 you are absolutely wrong, and show me where it says they are being targetted because they are Buddhist. When you prove that they were locked up because of their religion then we will discuss. Now ironically I can show you situations where Muslims were herded together enmass to be transported and died because of suffocation, but as we alllll know they deserved it!

Proletariat, you are incorrect. Show me where they are bombing things because "Allah said so", and not because the government is extremely repressive who purposely denies the same economic benefits to the region, and takes measures to exlcude Muslims from the same benefits the rest of the country gets. As for EVERYONE persecuting me, nope not really. I'm lucky. MOST people I have met actually tell me things "Don't worry I won't let the government pull crap on you", then this is usually after they find out I'm Muslim/Arab. Too bad that same kind of luck hasn't been experienced by my mom...

Finality, when you show where I say "is it my excuse to do whatever I want". Show me where I say because Muslims are repressed, they can do whatever they feel like it. Otherwise your post is just a troll with a heavy dose of spin on it.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Aimster
Allah is not a Muslim God. It is how you say God in Arabic.

If it was a Muslim God you would have a point.

What the hell is the relevance of that? He used the word in the proper context. Why not contribute something usefull.

As far as them not starting it, no they didn't start it when they started the violence in demanding tailand split a chunk of itself off for a seperate nation so a bunch of wardlords can take control and beat people up.

Stop trying to defend him all the time. Are you his personal bodyguard?

He used the word in proper context? Who the hell is he? I mentioned what Allah means and you cannot prove anything I said to be wrong. You just try always but you always FAIL.

Do you even know what it is you are talking about? You are always wrong. You're not an intelligent person.

There was no point in you quoting what I said to him other than you trying to annoy me with pointless rambling.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg

Seems like religious tensions are rising in every part of this world. Whether it be radical Islam fighting freedom of speech in Europe, or killing innocents in India, or this.

It seems like the radicals are targeting people who do the most good to society - teachers. The radicals want people to remain ignorant so they will follow the radical path instead of bettering their lives.

The only way to defeat radicalism is to educate people across this world.

Well before you start blaming this on the Muslim , go read up on treatment of Muslims by the government and see what is going on. To act like the Muslims are the aggressors in this situation is not true.
I'm glad those teachers were freed and none of them have been hurt, but these teachers represent and symbolize the government. The government is very intolerant of Muslims (majority IIRC are probably Malay and not Thai) so regretfully in the end these teachers became the victims of outlashes against the government.

A story without any previous understanding of the situation can be just as misleading as pure yellow journalism.

It doesn't matter. It does not excuse the treatment of these teachers by their ex-students. Those teachers are teachers, even though they might be government employees. There is no justification for this type of act. There have been increasing hostility between buddhists and christians vs muslims. I believe Malaysia and parts of the Phillipines have had an impact. The radical muslims in these parts want independence simply because they're muslim.

The more you ignore these types of acts, the more you are doomed to repeat history.

Most Americans seem to have forgotten abu sayyef, the Filipino arm of al-qaeda.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Aimster
He used the word in proper context? Who the hell is he? I mentioned what Allah means and you cannot prove anything I said to be wrong. You just try always but you always FAIL.

I don't defend anyone. I point out your stupidy at which point you usually quit posting, but lets go through this one too, shall we.

You said Al'lah means God. Yes it does, currently. So lets take what he said:

They have been victims but they are singling themselves out as a group. Saying Allah this and Allah that and then bombing things automatically singles yourself out.

And substitute god for allah and see if the sentence makes sense.

They have been victims but they are singling themselves out as a group. Saying god this and god that and then bombing things automatically singles yourself out.

Well isn't that supprising, it makes perfect sense. Now what were you correcting him on again, or were you just posting something irrelevant to the thread for fun?

Originally posted by: Aimster
If it was a Muslim God you would have a point.

Well I guess you were trying to correct him in some fasion as something irrelevant wouldn't explain that little sentence now would it.

Originally posted by: Aimster
Do you even know what it is you are talking about? You are always wrong. You're not an intelligent person.

Ooo, Aimster is mad so he runs to his little insults.... Ooo he's so upset.... Oh noes whatever will I do!!!!
 

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Technically "Allah" is the "Muslim god", as it isn't replaced in English translations with the word "God". "Allah" is to Islam as "Yahrew" (I think that's it) is to Judaism and "God" is to Christianity. Saying that "Allah" isn't or is the "Muslim god" is really nit picking technicallities.
 

Finality

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Originally posted by: magomago
The funny part is you guys beleive what you say :D

Finality, when you show where I say "is it my excuse to do whatever I want". Show me where I say because Muslims are repressed, they can do whatever they feel like it. Otherwise your post is just a troll with a heavy dose of spin on it.

All I have to do is what the news. All you see these days is some whacko on the news claiming they should kill XXXX many westeners because they offended Islam.

Sorry ever heard of freedom of speech? Do you guys even know how whacky you look with all your arcane rules for conduct and social behavior? You might claim Islam to be a religion of tolerance and peace but the truth is far from it.

I honestly cannot think of a single conflict that has happened in the past 10 years that did not involve muslims, can you? I mean you guys even bombed Bali for gods sake, one of the most beautiful and peace loving places on Earth.

Every single area of the globe muslims congregate has various degrees of conflict in it. Nearly every single world conflict today can be traced back to a Muslim origin. From India, to Europe, Africa, Asia, America and of course the Middle East. I used to have some sympathy for muslims because of the brilliant PR campaign you guys pull but not anymore.

Lets just say I have awoken from my slumber and all I see is a problem that needs to be eliminated.

Muslims need to adapt with the world not try and convert it to their radical beliefs.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: magomago
I'm glad those teachers were freed and none of them have been hurt, but these teachers represent and symbolize the government. The government is very intolerant of Muslims...

This is yet another example of the way Muslims always defend the actions of other Muslims. You see it all the time, such as:

"Suicide bombing cafes is bad, but Israel blah blah blah.."
"Al Qaida was wrong to fly planes into the WTC, but the US did blah blah blah.."
"It's not right that insurgents behead hostages, but the US blah blah Iraq blah blah.."

Quit fvcking apologizing for them. It is NEVER right to take hostages and cut off their heads on videotape. It is NEVER right to hijack passenger planes, and fly them into buildings. It is NEVER right to kill children at a school (like the Muslim Chechens did in Russia a couple of years back).
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Aimster
He used the word in proper context? Who the hell is he? I mentioned what Allah means and you cannot prove anything I said to be wrong. You just try always but you always FAIL.

I don't defend anyone. I point out your stupidy at which point you usually quit posting, but lets go through this one too, shall we.

You said Al'lah means God. Yes it does, currently. So lets take what he said:

They have been victims but they are singling themselves out as a group. Saying Allah this and Allah that and then bombing things automatically singles yourself out.

And substitute god for allah and see if the sentence makes sense.

They have been victims but they are singling themselves out as a group. Saying god this and god that and then bombing things automatically singles yourself out.

Well isn't that supprising, it makes perfect sense. Now what were you correcting him on again, or were you just posting something irrelevant to the thread for fun?

Originally posted by: Aimster
If it was a Muslim God you would have a point.

Well I guess you were trying to correct him in some fasion as something irrelevant wouldn't explain that little sentence now would it.

Originally posted by: Aimster
Do you even know what it is you are talking about? You are always wrong. You're not an intelligent person.

Ooo, Aimster is mad so he runs to his little insults.... Ooo he's so upset.... Oh noes whatever will I do!!!!

You lack common sense and I understand that.

He clearly said they are singling themselves out by saying Allah.

He meant they are singling themselves out as Muslims because they use the word Allah. Note: The article does not mention anything about Allah. His purpose was to state that they are using religion as an excuse for their violence when they say Allah (which the article does not mention).

It is how you say God in Arabic. Christians who are Arabic will use the word Allah.

How are they being singled out then? As what?

Explain to me.

As religious people? The entire article is on religion vs religion so how do they single themselves out as a different religion by using the word Allah? Again the article doesn't mention the word Allah.

Please explain Mr. Genius.

You think you upset me? You have a crush on me. Your purpose is to try to annoy me because you know my intelligence is vastly superior than your own. If you wish to debate this then why do you waste your time debating crap with someone less intelligent than you?
Exactly.

:) Have a nice day
 

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Originally posted by: MCsommerreid
Technically "Allah" is the "Muslim god", as it isn't replaced in English translations with the word "God". "Allah" is to Islam as "Yahrew" (I think that's it) is to Judaism and "God" is to Christianity. Saying that "Allah" isn't or is the "Muslim god" is really nit picking technicallities.

Yahweh is a pronunciation of the name of God that is supposed to be unpronounceable, most jews say Adonai (Lord) when they read YHVH. Sorry about nit picking but so many people get confused about the name YHVH I correct it when possible.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: MCsommerreid
Technically "Allah" is the "Muslim god", as it isn't replaced in English translations with the word "God". "Allah" is to Islam as "Yahrew" (I think that's it) is to Judaism and "God" is to Christianity. Saying that "Allah" isn't or is the "Muslim god" is really nit picking technicallities.

There is no such thing as a Muslim God

In Islam, Allah = God of all people. (The Quran is writtin in Arabic)

There is no Muslim God - Christian God in the religion of Islam. Everyone has the same God (one God).

In many Muslim countries the people do not use the word Allah as the meaning of God. In Iran God is called Khuda. Khuda = Allah = God

For example:

Arabs say Allah Akbar, Iranians say Khuda *some other crap I don't know how to spell*. They both have the same meaning.

You only say Allah when you are speaking Arabic.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Aimster
He clearly said ..

He meant ...

His purpose was to state ..

Yet again you run off telling someone else what they are saying. Your entire post was based on your own supposition on some underlying hidden meaning that only you can see rather than relying on what he said. I've told you before you are an idiot for trying to reinterpt what other write to fit your own arguement. You do this in every arguement, you try to twist peoples words. You are very bad at it and quite the little liar and braggard.
 

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It's Yahweh, the word for God from early Hebrew (it's also not 100% known, the translation is missing vowels, early Christians mis-translated it into Jehovah). The God of Islam is the same God of Judaism and Christianity. So before you guys complain about Muslims using God for a reason for everything you should look around at the evangelicals all over the US using God to attack gays, attack the media, etc. People are people, God is abused by all types.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Aimster
He clearly said ..

He meant ...

His purpose was to state ..

Yet again you run off telling someone else what they are saying. Your entire post was based on your own supposition on some underlying hidden meaning that only you can see rather than relying on what he said. I've told you before you are an idiot for trying to reinterpt what other write to fit your own arguement. You do this in every arguement, you try to twist peoples words. You are very bad at it and quite the little liar and braggard.

What argument?

I was stating that Allah meant God in Arabic.

That is an argument?

here:

dictionary.com

go look up the definition of an argument.

You're an idiot. Don't be jealous of me :) It's ok.
I love you too
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
It's Yahweh, the word for God from early Hebrew (it's also not 100% known, the translation is missing vowels, early Christians mis-translated it into Jehovah). The God of Islam is the same God of Judaism and Christianity. So before you guys complain about Muslims using God for a reason for everything you should look around at the evangelicals all over the US using God to attack gays, attack the media, etc. People are people, God is abused by all types.

I believe in God, one God. Whatever I believe is between he and I and it doesn't matter to me what Jesus or Mohamed, or anyone else tells me. We're all on a spirtiual voyage and the trip is half the fun so why worry about what someone 1000 years ago thought?
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Aimster
What argument?

Nice attempt at redirection. Lets go back.

They have been victims but they are singling themselves out as a group. Saying Allah this and Allah that and then bombing things automatically singles yourself out.

At which point you said:

Originally posted by: Aimster
Allah is not a Muslim God. It is how you say God in Arabic.

As if that had any relevance. Then when corrected that substituting God for Allah does not alter the meaning of his writtings you run off at the mouth with your little attempts to insult me and redirect the conversation. Then you run off with your dumb argument of reading a paragraph of "hidden" meaning into what he said, Such as:

Originally posted by: Aimster
He clearly said they are singling themselves out by saying Allah.

Which I bet if you ASKED him was NOT what he said. And as anyone can see you simply don't get it, do you? You didn't like being corrected that what you said had little relevance so you try to get me riled up by throwing insults around like they are candy, attempting to redirect and rewritting what other people said. Now lets see, what tactic will you use next, hmmm. You have a few more to pick from. May I suggest bringing up something completely irrelevant, but I have this sneaking suspicion you will try to say I said something I didn't. You can almost take bets on it, hmm maybe I'll PM Proletariat and we'll take bets on it.

Either way, keep trying little boy.