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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
I've read the Quran cover to cover twice, thank you. I even have a copy of the Asad translation in my bookcase. Along with a good deal of medieval Islamic poetry, like Rumi (who I am quite fond of). It is in fact a religion every bit as much as Christianity. I have also read the Bible several times and in different translations. At one point in my life, I found religious studies to be quite fascinating.
Your paranoid logic is like pointing to Leviticus in the Bible and then calling Judaism or Christianity a political ideology because of the Law of Moses. And let's not even get into Jesus' radical politics, eh?
And then I could point to Christianity's extensive history of authoritarian government, the Pope and the Church in Rome, the Christian monarchs in Europe (a few of which still exist), the puritan colony in Massachusetts, 'blue laws' in the United States, etc etc and OMG, I think I just blew to pieces this argument you claimed I couldn't fight.
I think we've said it some time ago, it means fuck all what the various religious books mean and means everything in how the followers of that religion act.
I frankly havent read the Quran and have no desire to. I dont need to read the religious book to form an opinion of Islam, I need but watch how the savages act to know everything I need to know. It doesnt matter what the Quran says.
As they say, actions speak louder then words.
Really, so ALL Muslims, or a majority of Muslims, act like "savages"?
Thats for you to decide.
What is the Solution?, you seem to know all the answers...why don't you share them? You're quick to laundry list all the evils of Islam, and decry any discussion that isn't derogatory. You're quick to declaim Islam. But I've yet to see an answer, a solution.
So, here you go.....
How do we deal with the very real element of radical, dangerous Islam that does exist out there, while allowing the vast majority of Muslims, who are reasonable and decent people, to live in peace and freedom to practice their religion? (Or is that oxymoronic in your mind?)
Do we ban Islam in America, jail or deport all Muslims, and prevent anyone Arab or Muslim from entering the U.S.?
Do all Western nations ban Islam, jail or deport Muslims, and prevent anyone Arab or Muslim from entering their countries?
Do we bomb all Islamic countries into the middle ages?
Is it a diplomatic solution? A military solution?
What is your vision of how to solve this? What would eliminate your Islamophobia? What would have to happen for you to stop being afraid that Muslims are out to get you/us/America/the world?
Most phobics believe in avoiding the trigger of their phobia. What happens to you when you see a mosque? Or a woman in hejab? Do you break out in a sweat? Or in your experiences, have you gone out of your way to avoid anywhere you might encounter anyone or anything Muslim, as a way to manage your phobia? Is this your answer on a national or global scale?
I don't know if you just want to bluster about it, or if you actually have a solution.
So, if you want to be taken seriously, and not dismissed as another nutso catastrophist walking around wearing a tinfoil hat screaming "The Muslims are Coming to Get Us," then why don't you share with us exactly what your solution is?
