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Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Socio



But as the Saudi ?scholar? Suleiman al-Omar declared in June 2004: ?Islam is advancing according to a steady plan. America will be destroyed.?

As you can see reason numbers 5 & 6 are alive and flourshing right before your very eyes in this thread.

Unfortunately the Left is blinded by its ideals. They simply cannot comprehend the fact that humanity is corrupt and vicious. To them Islam is truly a peaceful religion with no ill will on others. As such when Islam makes advances such as being able to be ruled by their laws or being able to pray in school it isnt another step in the takeover, its another step in the freedoms of a country.

They, the Left, could never admit to the possibility that the "other guy" would be in any way underhanded or driven by an ulterior motive or working towards a nefarious goal. Its simply an impossibility to them. Just as no person on welfare is undeserving when in fact the system is ripe with abuse.

The Left is so full of its own self hatred and loathing for themselves that they cannot admit anyone but their own would be in any way a threat.

Who are these "The Left" you speak of? It seems that you are only able to think in terms of gross overgeneralizations. I grant you that these diverse groups you pretend to be one, like "The Left" and "Islam," have their extremist whackos, but then again so do "The Right" and "Christianity" (you included).

I suppose what you said here makes for a nice conspiracy theory, but all I see are a few paranoid whackos trying to justify their attempts at scuttling the 1st amendment.
 

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"Unfortunately the Left is blinded by its ideals. They simply cannot comprehend the fact that humanity is corrupt and vicious. To them Islam is truly a peaceful religion with no ill will on others. As such when Islam makes advances such as being able to be ruled by their laws or being able to pray in school it isnt another step in the takeover, its another step in the freedoms of a country.

They, the Left, could never admit to the possibility that the "other guy" would be in any way underhanded or driven by an ulterior motive or working towards a nefarious goal. Its simply an impossibility to them. Just as no person on welfare is undeserving when in fact the system is ripe with abuse.

The Left is so full of its own self hatred and loathing for themselves that they cannot admit anyone but their own would be in any way a threat."

Here we see the incoherent ramblings of a psychopath, the deep distrust and disgust that comes to a bigot who fears he can't persuade others of his own particular psychopathology, this special gift and insight he has into the evil of others.
Yeah that's rather obvious. It's kind of hard to feel sorry for the guy but he must be extremely tormented. I wouldn't trade places with him

I'm not tormented at all. Perhaps a bit disgusted at the Lefts inability to open their eyes and see most of todays problems stem from Islam and watch as they still continue to blindly accept them, but certainly not tormented. Waste not your pity on me.

*EDIT*

Was does keep me awake at night is the coming end of the world. I dont believe it will have anything to do with Islam though. I give us 2 to 4 years. As the saying goes "May you live in interesting times".
Indeed we do.

Well I'll sure sleep better knowing you and Socio have found the courage and inner strength necessary to fight this threat by going on the Internet and shooting your mouth off about it. :roll:

You are welcome!

After all, the first step in solving any problem is making aware one exists; too bad it falls on deaf ears.

"Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, the people, if well informed, may be relied on to set them to rights." Thomas Jefferson


 

Vic

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That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

How about not forcing that religion down anyone elses throat? Oh, how about not catering to them? I know, how about we not reengineer our entire society for the benefit of a very small minority.

Naw, fuck that. Lets make the rules so the 99% of the people have to tip toe around so as to not piss off the 1%.......
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, I can't speak for "the Left", but not being an idiot, I tend to try to judge threats in the most accurate way I can. If there are individuals and groups running around trying to kill me, I think it makes sense to focus on them rather than trying to come up with the most broad enemy I can possibly imagine. There are very few situations where it makes more sense to see the threat as "everyone with trait X" rather than "that guy doing bad stuff". So while people like you are busy worrying about Abdul the cab driver because he happens to be Muslim, I'll worry about Osama bin Laden because he's a terrorist, OK?

You're not exactly Mister Current Affairs are you, Rainsford? Islam wants you dead. Moderate Islam will be happy to just convert you. Failing that, then they want you dead.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

How about not forcing that religion down anyone elses throat? Oh, how about not catering to them? I know, how about we not reengineer our entire society for the benefit of a very small minority.

Naw, fuck that. Lets make the rules so the 99% of the people have to tip toe around so as to not piss off the 1%.......

How about you help to address the issue instead of flailing wildly and in panic?

Naw, fuck that. Let's just make it illegal to practice Islam.

:roll:
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

How about not forcing that religion down anyone elses throat? Oh, how about not catering to them? I know, how about we not reengineer our entire society for the benefit of a very small minority.

Naw, fuck that. Lets make the rules so the 99% of the people have to tip toe around so as to not piss off the 1%.......

How about you help to address the issue instead of flailing wildly and in panic?

Naw, fuck that. Let's just make it illegal to practice Islam.

:roll:

Address the issue? Ok, how about we not cater to them. How about we not allow them to force our children to practice Islam? How about we not tip toe around in our comics and cartoons lest we incite them and they want to CUT OUR FUCKING HEADS OFF OVER PICTURES.

You just dont see it do you?? Man, our society as a whole is sooo blind its just scary.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, I can't speak for "the Left", but not being an idiot, I tend to try to judge threats in the most accurate way I can. If there are individuals and groups running around trying to kill me, I think it makes sense to focus on them rather than trying to come up with the most broad enemy I can possibly imagine. There are very few situations where it makes more sense to see the threat as "everyone with trait X" rather than "that guy doing bad stuff". So while people like you are busy worrying about Abdul the cab driver because he happens to be Muslim, I'll worry about Osama bin Laden because he's a terrorist, OK?

You're not exactly Mister Current Affairs are you, Rainsford? Islam wants you dead. Moderate Islam will be happy to just convert you. Failing that, then they want you dead.

And you want them dead. Or denied the right to worship their religion. Or, if you're 'moderate,' you'll be happy just to convert them to Christianity.

How do you not see the problem here?
 

Specop 007

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Tell ya what. Draw up some funny insulting pictures about Allah or Muhammad and publish them.

See how the "Religion of Peace" treats you.

Now tell me if its not a backwards religion with backwards beliefs that are 400 years behind modern civilization. Now tell me, how the hell is this religion supposed to exist among civilized modern cultures?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, I can't speak for "the Left", but not being an idiot, I tend to try to judge threats in the most accurate way I can. If there are individuals and groups running around trying to kill me, I think it makes sense to focus on them rather than trying to come up with the most broad enemy I can possibly imagine. There are very few situations where it makes more sense to see the threat as "everyone with trait X" rather than "that guy doing bad stuff". So while people like you are busy worrying about Abdul the cab driver because he happens to be Muslim, I'll worry about Osama bin Laden because he's a terrorist, OK?

You're not exactly Mister Current Affairs are you, Rainsford? Islam wants you dead. Moderate Islam will be happy to just convert you. Failing that, then they want you dead.

You can't be this god damn stupid.

I don't even want to argue with you because I'll look bad myself just by giving this idiocy the credit of a response.

EDIT: Haha, no offense Vic but you're about to get stupid rubbed off on you.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic
And you want them dead. Or denied the right to worship their religion. Or, if you're 'moderate,' you'll be happy just to convert them to Christianity.

How do you not see the problem here?

No, I just want them over there, not over here. They are too backwards and behind the times to coexist with modern civilization. I believe Holland has had some experiences with that.....As well as France.

But of course what happened there is easily explained away as "isolated incidents".....By those who are blind and ignorant.....

Keep catering to them Vic, keep catering to them.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

How about not forcing that religion down anyone elses throat? Oh, how about not catering to them? I know, how about we not reengineer our entire society for the benefit of a very small minority.

Naw, fuck that. Lets make the rules so the 99% of the people have to tip toe around so as to not piss off the 1%.......

How about you help to address the issue instead of flailing wildly and in panic?

Naw, fuck that. Let's just make it illegal to practice Islam.

:roll:

Address the issue? Ok, how about we not cater to them. How about we not allow them to force our children to practice Islam? How about we not tip toe around in our comics and cartoons lest we incite them and they want to CUT OUR FUCKING HEADS OFF OVER PICTURES.

You just dont see it do you?? Man, our society as a whole is sooo blind its just scary.

Somewhere in the ME is your counterpart who believes that all of America is like "Jesus Camp" and Pastor Hagee and complains that his society is soooo blind it's just scary.

Like I said earlier, the stupidity is just tragic.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, I can't speak for "the Left", but not being an idiot, I tend to try to judge threats in the most accurate way I can. If there are individuals and groups running around trying to kill me, I think it makes sense to focus on them rather than trying to come up with the most broad enemy I can possibly imagine. There are very few situations where it makes more sense to see the threat as "everyone with trait X" rather than "that guy doing bad stuff". So while people like you are busy worrying about Abdul the cab driver because he happens to be Muslim, I'll worry about Osama bin Laden because he's a terrorist, OK?

You're not exactly Mister Current Affairs are you, Rainsford? Islam wants you dead. Moderate Islam will be happy to just convert you. Failing that, then they want you dead.

You can't be this god damn stupid.

I don't even want to argue with you because I'll look bad myself just by giving this idiocy the credit of a response.

EDIT: Haha, no offense Vic but you're about to get stupid rubbed off on you.

Take the Pepsi Challenge motherfucker. Make fun of the religion and publish it.

I DARE YOU TO. You wont because your a chickenshit, and you KNOW what will happen to you if you do. Deep down inside, you know. You wont admit it of course, and neither will you do something that might actually put your life in danger like making fun of Islam.

But you'll sit at the computer and support them because thats the easy way out.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic

Somewhere in the ME is your counterpart who believes that all of America is like "Jesus Camp" and Pastor Hagee and complains that his society is soooo blind it's just scary.

Like I said earlier, the stupidity is just tragic.

Yeah, you can find them in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Egypt, most of South America, parts of England, France, Holland........Should I go on?

Take the Pepsi Challenge Vic. Whip up some funny cartoons about the religion and publish them on a website. I'll even pay your hosting fees for a year if you do, but you gotta keep the pictures up for a year.

Hows THAT for a deal? Free webhosting. All you gotta do is make a few pictures.

Go on my friend. I've put my money SMACK where my mouth is. Do the same or shut the fuck up.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
And you want them dead. Or denied the right to worship their religion. Or, if you're 'moderate,' you'll be happy just to convert them to Christianity.

How do you not see the problem here?

No, I just want them over there, not over here. They are too backwards and behind the times to coexist with modern civilization. I believe Holland has had some experiences with that.....As well as France.

But of course what happened there is easily explained away as "isolated incidents".....By those who are blind and ignorant.....

Keep catering to them Vic, keep catering to them.

I'm not catering to anyone. Not them... and not you either. Get that through your head.

If this is possible for you, trying pulling back and looking at this from a secular point of view. You complain that Muslims want to teach our children to pray to Allah in the schools. But at the same time, we already know that the Christian fundies want to teach our children to pray to Jesus in the schools, they've been pushing that through for decades. And the Christian fundies want to teach their creation myths in the science classrooms (this has been going on for 100 years), and they want the 10 commandments displayed prominently in every courtroom in America.

Now I ask you, what is the difference, eh? Don't answer, because there isn't any.

Now get this through your head. I'm not catering to anyone. Not them, and not you.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Somewhere in the ME is your counterpart who believes that all of America is like "Jesus Camp" and Pastor Hagee and complains that his society is soooo blind it's just scary.

Like I said earlier, the stupidity is just tragic.

Yeah, you can find them in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Egypt, most of South America, parts of England, France, Holland........Should I go on?

Take the Pepsi Challenge Vic. Whip up some funny cartoons about the religion and publish them on a website. I'll even pay your hosting fees for a year if you do, but you gotta keep the pictures up for a year.

Hows THAT for a deal? Free webhosting. All you gotta do is make a few pictures.

Go on my friend. I've put my money SMACK where my mouth is. Do the same or shut the fuck up.

And I can find 'them' right here, in your posts.

If I take your idiotic challenge, I think I'll do it the other way, and publish pictures of Jesus getting it from Mary with the strap-on. That'll be interesting, I'm sure.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic

I'm not catering to anyone. Not them... and not you either. Get that through your head.

If this is possible for you, trying pulling back and looking at this from a secular point of view. You complain that Muslims want to teach our children to pray to Allah in the schools. But at the same time, we already know that the Christian fundies want to teach our children to pray to Jesus in the schools, they've been pushing that through for decades. And the Christian fundies want to teach their creation myths in the science classrooms (this has been going on for 100 years), and they want the 10 commandments displayed prominently in every courtroom in America.

Now I ask you, what is the difference, eh? Don't answer, because there isn't any.

Now get this through your head. I'm not catering to anyone. Not them, and not you.

Vic my man, I aint sayin what the Fundies do is any better.

The BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE is I can make fun of Christianity and not worry about literally getting attacked and having my goddamn head cut off! In fact, its "in" to make fun of Christians. Try making fun of Islam.

Which brings me back to the Pepsi Challenge. If you're so quick to defend and support Islam, make fun of them. You'll get a free webhosting account out of the deal. Say up to 40 bucks for a year.

Come on Vic. Dont be a chickenshit, its the Religion of Peace. They wont hurt you, you got nothing to worry about. Whip up some comics.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic

And I can find 'them' right here, in your posts.

If I take your idiotic challenge, I think I'll do it the other way, and publish pictures of Jesus getting it from Mary with the strap-on. That'll be interesting, I'm sure.

Tell ya what partner, you can publish AS MANY comics of Christianity as you want. Hundreds, thousands. But 5 comics of Islam have to stay right up front.

Come on Vic. Scared of Islam?? Of course not, you've defended them for 6 fucking pages!! You wont back out now that someone calls you out would you?

Oh thats right, its hard to be a keyboard commando badass when someone calls you out.....
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

And I can find 'them' right here, in your posts.

If I take your idiotic challenge, I think I'll do it the other way, and publish pictures of Jesus getting it from Mary with the strap-on. That'll be interesting, I'm sure.

Tell ya what partner, you can publish AS MANY comics of Christianity as you want. Hundreds, thousands. But 5 comics of Islam have to stay right up front.

Come on Vic. Scared of Islam?? Of course not, you've defended them for 6 fucking pages!! You wont back out now that someone calls you out would you?

Oh thats right, its hard to be a keyboard commando badass when someone calls you out.....

Uh... why should I do something for the sake of your principles? In order for me to walk my talk, then I have to stick to being (religiously) impartial. Or have you not read any of my posts here? I'm not defending Islam, I'm attacking Neo-Nazis, nationalism, and religious bigotry. Which thread have you been reading?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic
And you want them dead. Or denied the right to worship their religion. Or, if you're 'moderate,' you'll be happy just to convert them to Christianity.

How do you not see the problem here?

No, I just want them over there, not over here. They are too backwards and behind the times to coexist with modern civilization. I believe Holland has had some experiences with that.....As well as France.

But of course what happened there is easily explained away as "isolated incidents".....By those who are blind and ignorant.....

Keep catering to them Vic, keep catering to them.

That dirty Vic is a Jew lover.

It's certainly amusing to watch a cave man complain about the 400 year backward. Hehe, easy to see why bigots are blind. If they could see what total fools they are they'd suffer the exact same shame and humility they what to force on others.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic

Uh... why should I do something for the sake of your principles? In order for me to walk my talk, then I have to stick to being (religiously) impartial. Or have you not read any of my posts here? I'm not defending Islam, I'm attacking Neo-Nazis, nationalism, and religious bigotry. Which thread have you been reading?

The thread where you would ignore Separation of Church and State for the benefit of the Islamic community??

Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

That dirty Vic is a Jew lover.

It's certainly amusing to watch a cave man complain about the 400 year backward. Hehe, easy to see why bigots are blind. If they could see what total fools they are they'd suffer the exact same shame and humility they what to force on others.

You may have missed it.

I dont care about insults to Christ, Christianity or Christians.

Again, try insulting Islam and see what happens. Sure is easy to sit back in your comfy home and bang away on the keyboard when you dont have to worry about being murdered in doing so isnt it.

So come on Moonbeam. Step out of your comfort zone a bit. It'll net you a free webhost account. ;)

Personally I couldnt do it. I cant draw to save my ass.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Uh... why should I do something for the sake of your principles? In order for me to walk my talk, then I have to stick to being (religiously) impartial. Or have you not read any of my posts here? I'm not defending Islam, I'm attacking Neo-Nazis, nationalism, and religious bigotry. Which thread have you been reading?

The thread where you would ignore Separation of Church and State for the benefit of the Islamic community??

Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

Where did I do that? Because I know that I didn't. The post you quoted is where I asked Socio what solution he could possibly have that would not infringe on the 1st amendment. I could ask the same of you.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Uh... why should I do something for the sake of your principles? In order for me to walk my talk, then I have to stick to being (religiously) impartial. Or have you not read any of my posts here? I'm not defending Islam, I'm attacking Neo-Nazis, nationalism, and religious bigotry. Which thread have you been reading?

The thread where you would ignore Separation of Church and State for the benefit of the Islamic community??

Originally posted by: Vic
That's because the problem that people are becoming aware of is the neo-nazi ilk like you Socio.

Consider, what possible 'solution' do you have for the Islam 'problem' besides infringing on the basic 1st amendment guarantee of freedom of religion?

Where did I do that? Because I know that I didn't. The post you quoted is where I asked Socio what solution he could possibly have that would not infringe on the 1st amendment. I could ask the same of you.

Well, lets see for a minute....How about keeping the practice of religion out of school?? Oh, thats a good start isnt it. How about not defending an individuals rights to not handle pork because of their religion when it interferes with the job duties? Can we start with those?
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

That dirty Vic is a Jew lover.

It's certainly amusing to watch a cave man complain about the 400 year backward. Hehe, easy to see why bigots are blind. If they could see what total fools they are they'd suffer the exact same shame and humility they what to force on others.

You may have missed it.

I dont care about insults to Christ, Christianity or Christians.

Again, try insulting Islam and see what happens. Sure is easy to sit back in your comfy home and bang away on the keyboard when you dont have to worry about being murdered in doing so isnt it.

So come on Moonbeam. Step out of your comfort zone a bit. It'll net you a free webhost account. ;)

Personally I couldnt do it. I cant draw to save my ass.

You've been constantly insulting Islam and so far are able to keep Posting.