Musings on racism, small town v. city, dirtbags...

Paladin3

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I?m afraid that I might be becoming a racist. Let me 'splain. [pause] No, there is too much. Let me sum up.

Between my mother and father, I?ve got Mexican, Spanish, German, English, Native American and maybe some Russian blood running thru my veins. I?m your basic American mutt and have always considers myself ?white? in the same way you might say something is generic or plain. I have Mexican family members and very much love them and enjoy that part of my culture, but I didn?t feel like I was growing up in a Mexican family. My mom is about as white as you can get (though she makes a damn fine chorizo and eggs breakfast).

I grew up in a mostly white suburb north of Los Angeles, but never really thought of race much as a child. I just happen to have been born on the morning of April 4, 1968. My mother told me the story of waking up in the hospital the day after and crying when she read the newspaper saying Martin Luther King Jr. had been killed. When I was old enough to understand who MLK was, I heard that famous quote, ??a world where my children are judged by the content of their character?, and have felt that if we could get the world to follow his advise we would all be better off.

Growing up with friends of all races, I knew there were different kinds of people in the world, but also believed we were all basically the same, with the same wants and needs: a decent place to live, a good job, the chance to meet that someone special and maybe start a family, a safe town with good schools to raise kids in, a few good friends and the chance to cut loose have a little fun on occasion.

After school I went to work as a newspaper photojournalist. The best part of the job was meeting so many different kinds of people and learning about their lives. I spent time with people of every race from every walk of life and, in a small way, shared their joys, trials, triumphs, tribulations and sometimes even their deaths. During my career I developed what I feel is a healthy amount of empathy for my fellow man. I learned to see life through many different eyes and realized that most issues are not as simple as you might think when you see them from another person?s point of view.

After thirteen years of newspaper work I left so I could be at home to help raise my three kids. I went to work part time as a middle and elementary school librarian for a public school district. I also worked as a classroom technology aid, instructing students and helping teachers integrate technology into their lesson plans. Working with children is some of the most rewarding work I?ve ever done.

Several years ago my wife was transferred to a job in Vallejo, CA near San Francisco. It?s a heavily minority town with a significant ?ghetto? population. We spent almost four years in Northern California and, while I sincerely tried to fit in, I always felt like my personal ethics and culture were directly clashing with the ghetto mentality of most of the people (black, brown, yellow and white) I came into contact with. I couldn?t go to the store or gas station without someone getting in my face asking for money. My wife was afraid to go anywhere alone after several of her employees got mugged, beaten and robbed in the neighborhood surrounding her workplace.

Several years earlier I had been carjacked at knifepoint. I tried not to let it affect me, but as I saw the crime and ?ghetto-ness? of the people around me I began to develop a hatred of people. I began to hate the folks at the grocery store buying all their food with food stamps. I began saying ?get a fucking job? under my breath when people asked me for money at the gas station. I wanted to puke with I saw some drunk with a Vietnam Vet sign begging for money on the corner. Do any of those idiots realize you?d have to be close to 60 to have actually fought in the Vietnam War???

My family has never been exactly economically comfortable. It?s been a struggle to have one of us home with our kids. We?ve scrimped and sacrificed, but all around me it seemed like everyone had their hand out and expected someone else to fill it for them.

I got on the public bus one day and had to listen to a group of teens loudly bragging about who?d been to jail and what for. Every third word was either ?bitch?, ?fuck? or ?awesome dude?. Then they got on the topic of when they got their fist gun and how they?d first used it (I was given a .22 rifle at the age of 12, but I bet these guys never hunted rabbit in their lives). I sat shocked as around me the rest of the ?normal? folks kept their heads down and ignored them. Then a mother casually smacked the crap out of her kid for dropping a sippy-cup of juice and interrupting her cell phone conversation. I began screaming on the inside. This is madness. I?m not one of these people. I don?t belong here!

I started staying at home as much as I could. I didn?t want to have anything to do with the community in which I lived. I went to work and kept my head down. I had no friends and no social life outside of my own family. And then one day it happened.

On the news was a report of some crime and the video showed a bunch of black faces. I didn?t say it out loud, nobody heard me, but it my mind I heard it as clear as a bell: ?fucking n-words.?

I was shocked and disgusted with myself. I felt like I?d just donned a pointy white hood and joined the KKK. I reminded myself I had lots of black friends who I respected. I thought of all the many, many people of color I?d met in my lifetime who I admired. I thought of all the good that people of color had done in my community for others. I mentally chanted what MLK said, ??judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? again and again.

Then I started thinking about my life experiences and everything I?d seen while working at the newspaper. That woman who got drunk and plowed into a family of 5, killing everyone except the baby in the car seat, yeah, she happened to be white, but she was a n-word. The guy who carjacked me, he happened to be Latino, but he was a n-word. The white guy on roller skates who ran into my truck, who angrily cussed me out and kicked a huge dent in my door when I got out to see if he was hurt, yeah, he was an n-word too. Those bangers on the bus, they happened to be black, every one of them was a mother fucking n-word.

At first I was almost OK with my mental use of the dreaded N-word. I figured that I was judging people just like MLK had said, on the content of their character not the color of their skin. Actions dictated if someone was an n-word or not. I was comfortable with that and started using the word ?dirtbag? verbally when referring to such people.

A few months ago my wife got a job offer in Northern Idaho and we took it. We moved to a small town and the difference between here and California is night and day. I finally feel like I fit in. People here are polite and relaxed. Most seem to have the same small town values I grew up with, with a live and let live attitude. Nobody hustles me for a buck when I go to the gas station. Nobody waves ?gimme money for beer? signs on the corners and I don?t fear for my wife?s safety when she goes out alone. I got a flat tire one day and spent more time talking to all the nice people who stopped and offered help than I did actually changing the tire.

What else is different here? We?ve got a fair mix of Native Americans here, a few Asians, but almost zero Hispanic or black population. The town is almost all white and that got me to thinking. Are whites somehow better than others? No, not really, we have plenty of white trash here. We just don?t have very many people, of any color, with a ghetto ?I?m gonna get mine, fuck you? attitude.

Maybe it?s a city vs. country thing. Maybe city people just generally suck, but in a small town you have to be polite to your neighbors because there are so few of us here it?s necessary for your survival. Maybe when you live in a city being ghetto is necessary for survival too? I don?t know. Maybe I?m just becoming a racist like I fear.

But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd and to live like Martin said and judge people ??not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.?
 

Paladin3

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Originally posted by: rudeguy
Cliffs or move to P&N.

Maybe both.

It takes maybe 3 minutes to read, if you don't have the time or ability then your comments would be pointless. It also has nothing to to with politics or news.

But thanks anyway.
 

Megatomic

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I read it, and I agree. The race makes no difference - there is trash to be found in all of them.
 

Paladin3

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You folks complaining that it was too long are just lucky I decided to sum up and not 'splain.
 

RadiclDreamer

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I read it, maybe you are "class-ist?"

Meaning you hate poor people or people of very low class.
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I read it, maybe you are "class-ist?"

Meaning you hate poor people or people of very low class.
Or maybe effort-ist? The disliking of people who don't try as hard to succeed. I myself am guilty of that one.
 

Throckmorton

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I think you have living in a city confused with living in the hood, and you have redneck values.

You also use your life experiences to justify your prejudice.
 
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mm I don't think you are a racist based on what you wrote. I think you just have a problem with shitty people.

The sad fact of the matter is that Blacks and Latinos commit a highly disproportionate amount of serious crime. I don't think it's because they are bad, but because they grow up poor, urban, and uneducated compared to the population at large.

Rather than hating people of color, I think it would be healthy to keep in mind that in most cases they have had very different educations and opportunities, and that our goal as a society should be to improve our urban landscape by improving those opportunities.
 

badkarma1399

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I read it and agree. Poor urban areas tend to bring out the worst people. Everything is so concentrated that the people there never experience anything else. At least in the country its easier to avoid bad situations.

I don't judge on race, I just dislike uneducated people who grew up without any real sense of values or respect.
 

AmigaMan

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I read it and I've felt the same way, saying the same things mentally. It's hard to not hate, harder than you think. It's hard to love someone and have compassion for them when they wouldn't return it and would rather spit in your face. It's hard not to hate those that take advantage of others and milk the system.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I think you have living in a city confused with living in the hood, and you have redneck values.

You also use your life experiences to justify your prejudice.

how in the fuck is he a redneck? How did you get that out of his post? You are a fucking retard.
 

CrazyLazy

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I think you have living in a city confused with living in the hood, and you have redneck values.

You also use your life experiences to justify your prejudice.

how in the fuck is he a redneck? How did you get that out of his post? You are a fucking retard.

Do you think dropping the f bomb twice made your post easier to read? more amusing? what was the purpose?
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I think you have living in a city confused with living in the hood, and you have redneck values.

You also use your life experiences to justify your prejudice.

how in the fuck is he a redneck? How did you get that out of his post? You are a fucking retard.

Do you think dropping the f bomb twice made your post easier to read? more amusing? what was the purpose?

Coming from the guy that posted, "I didn't read it."
 

StageLeft

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I read half of your post randomly, because it's long and also because your misanthropy could be infectious (and I"m sick enough). As it is, I share simply a disgust for how a lot of people live their lives, and I don't buy into the nihilistic notion that we're all living them equally and let people be as they should; I see a lot of people living like savages. THey are selling themselves short, their kids short, they are in short wasting their life. Once they finally hit bottom, they start wasting others' like the guy who robbed you at knife point. I find it unfortunate that I have to live in the same immediate society as people with such poor senses of ambition, intelligence, education, etc., which is why I'm happy to be insualted insofar as it's possible in a suburban neighborhood, away from the common riff raff who's trample a person in walmart for a good tv deal or hit a person's car in a parking lot, their biggest concern being whether anybody had seen them.
 

classy

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I don't know what say about the OP. I mean you live near poor people, some of whom are struggling just to eat everyday. What did or do you expect to see and hear out in the public. Are you expecting to hear people in the store in these areas having coversations about nuclear physics? Or did you expect to see folks dressed in tuxedoes headed to the opera? Your problem is you see the other side of the real world and now you are just like most, you condemn and take a I am better than them attitude.