Originally posted by: xchangx
SM57
Do not get trapped in the rut of thinking mics can "Only" be used for certain things. The only exception I can think of is using a Ribbon mic on a high SPL item, such as a guitar amp or kick drum. The high transients will blow the ribbon out, and they are expensive to replace.Originally posted by: CptObvious
What price range are you looking at? The SM57 is pretty much a standard, and it's considered a bargain at "only" $90. However, its mainly used for recording guitar amps and snare drums. If you want to record vocals and instruments you should definitely go with a condenser mic (you also need a mixer/preamp with phantom power to power it), because the extra clarity makes a huge difference over a dynamic mic like the SM57.
For mics under $100, I would recommend:
Vocals (large diaphragm condensers):
Studio Projects B1 ($80)
Marshall MXL V67 ($80)
Oktava MK319 ($80)
Instruments (small diaphragm condensers):
Marshall MXL603S ($80)
Oktava MK012 ($75...check Guitar Center, sometimes they have them on sale for 2/$100)
Behringer ECM8000 ($40)
If you can afford $200 or more, there are a lot more choices. Any mic under $300 is probably an imitation Chinese clone of the more expensive European mics (like the $2K Neumanns) but still give decent results.
I agree that the SM57/58 are good for vocals but for most vocalists I wouldn't consider it a first choice. I have a 58 lying around but always reach for a LD condenser first because 9/10 times it will sound more detailed and flattering to the human voice. The popularity with the 58 is mainly as a live mic...perhaps some singers use it in the studio because it's what they're comfortable with.Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Do not get trapped in the rut of thinking mics can "Only" be used for certain things. The only exception I can think of is using a Ribbon mic on a high SPL item, such as a guitar amp or kick drum. The high transients will blow the ribbon out, and they are expensive to replace.
There are far more vocal tracks recorded as "scratch tracks" that end up being the "keeper" with an sm57/58 than you might realize. The SM 57 is the SAME capsule as the Sm 58. The SM58 simply has the windscreen integrated into the assembly.
While I agree that SOME vocalists sound better on a large diaphragm condensor, their use is not mandated by any means.
Audio -Technica makes some really good mics as well as AKG. If you're going to catalog shop, get theee to a Guitar Center and try some out ,FIRST. Let your ears guide you.
Exactly why that mic is often the one the best performance comes from. Often times as an engineer, we make compromises between performance quality and recording quality. I'll take the best performance. Furthermore, the OP was asking for a multi purpose mic. 9/10 I wouldn't want someone without prior experience in front of a LD condensor. The intimidation factor of such mics can kill a noob's performance. Again, it's about making a vocalist "comfortable" so as to elicit the best performance.Originally posted by: CptObvious
I agree that the SM57/58 are good for vocals but for most vocalists I wouldn't consider it a first choice. I have a 58 lying around but always reach for a LD condenser first because 9/10 times it will sound more detailed and flattering to the human voice. The popularity with the 58 is mainly as a live mic...perhaps some singers use it in the studio because it's what they're comfortable with.Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Do not get trapped in the rut of thinking mics can "Only" be used for certain things. The only exception I can think of is using a Ribbon mic on a high SPL item, such as a guitar amp or kick drum. The high transients will blow the ribbon out, and they are expensive to replace.
There are far more vocal tracks recorded as "scratch tracks" that end up being the "keeper" with an sm57/58 than you might realize. The SM 57 is the SAME capsule as the Sm 58. The SM58 simply has the windscreen integrated into the assembly.
While I agree that SOME vocalists sound better on a large diaphragm condensor, their use is not mandated by any means.
Audio -Technica makes some really good mics as well as AKG. If you're going to catalog shop, get theee to a Guitar Center and try some out ,FIRST. Let your ears guide you.
LOL, you'll find more SM57's in a studio than you'll find ANY Behringer CRAP. Unless by studio you mean a basement room built around a washing machine and furnace.Originally posted by: JMaster
the sm57 isn't really a studio mic so if you're interested in recording, i'd suggest you look into a Behringer B2. It's cheap and good.
If that were the case, then a lot more studios would be using dynamics to track vocals. It isn't that big of a deal for most vocalists to adjust...most people can refrain from touching the mic, getting too close to it, spitting into it, etc. Some people are better suited for dynamics, I'll agree...mostly for 'screaming' type rock vocals, or those who feel they have to hold the mic or put their lips against it.Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I wouldn't want someone without prior experience in front of a LD condensor. The intimidation factor of such mics can kill a noob's performance. Again, it's about making a vocalist "comfortable" so as to elicit the best performance.
Having spent the better part of two decades in recording studios, I can say, without equivocation, that SM58's are used far more than you give them credit for. Furthermore, there are far more scratch tracks, recorded with SM58's used as keeper tracks, especially with todays digital modeling software, that end up as keepers.Originally posted by: CptObvious
If that were the case, then a lot more studios would be using dynamics to track vocals. It isn't that big of a deal for most vocalists to adjust...most people can refrain from touching the mic, getting too close to it, spitting into it, etc. Some people are better suited for dynamics, I'll agree...mostly for 'screaming' type rock vocals, or those who feel they have to hold the mic or put their lips against it.Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I wouldn't want someone without prior experience in front of a LD condensor. The intimidation factor of such mics can kill a noob's performance. Again, it's about making a vocalist "comfortable" so as to elicit the best performance.
You may be right about that mic. I haven't had the chance to use it. I still stand by my recommendation for the 57/58 as a starting place for the OP. Given we are assuming what and how things are to be recorded, I went with what I know works in a majority of situations. Given a Condensor will require a Pre-amp with Phantom power, it seems as if it's the "More stuff" syndrome that is the ruination of many a studio / project.Originally posted by: CptObvious
I respect your opinion, and you have a lot more experience than I do, but I respectfully disagree with your recommendation. I think a condenser like the Studio Projects B1 is neutral sounding enough to be a better all-around mic. I don't know what instruments the OP records but in my personal experience the SM57/58 is great for miking amps/snares and passable for vocals but doesn't record acoustic guitar or piano as well as any cheap condenser. The SM57/58 just lacks the high-frequency detail to capture them clearly. It was designed this way to reduce handling noise in a live setting, but for home recording I'd take the tradeoff of clarity over lower handling noise.
What price range are you looking at? The SM57 is pretty much a standard, and it's considered a bargain at "only" $90. However, its mainly used for recording guitar amps and snare drums. If you want to record vocals and instruments you should definitely go with a condenser mic (you also need a mixer/preamp with phantom power to power it), because the extra clarity makes a huge difference over a dynamic mic like the SM57.
For mics under $100, I would recommend:
Vocals (large diaphragm condensers):
Studio Projects B1 ($80)
Marshall MXL V67 ($80)
Oktava MK319 ($80)
Instruments (small diaphragm condensers):
Marshall MXL603S ($80)
Oktava MK012 ($75...check Guitar Center, sometimes they have them on sale for 2/$100)
Behringer ECM8000 ($40)
If you can afford $200 or more, there are a lot more choices. Any mic under $300 is probably an imitation Chinese clone of the more expensive European mics (like the $2K Neumanns) but still give decent results.
Sorry but have you used any of the above mics? I have owned/used all of the above and found them to be good *for the price*. I'm not disputing that the Rode NT2 is a better mic than any of the above, but last I check it was selling for almost $350 and was discontinued.Originally posted by: xchangx
Man, that's a bad list... Marshall mics suck, Behringer mics are terrible, Oktava mics are bad as well.
Rode makes a mic (Rode NT2) that is extremely awesome, never heard a mic that cheap come close to a Neumann.
The Shure SM57 is an all purpose mic. Snare, some bass drum (I've heard it on a few albums), guitar, vocal (more rock that slow stuff).
At one point I had about 5-6 57's laying around.
