Musicians! Suggest a mic for me

PatboyX

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decent quality, fair price is basically what im looking for.
a lot of my instruments plug right in but some of mine i need to record other ways.

open to suggestions, personal experiences and any other microphone shopping advice.

thanks.
 

Fritzo

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Yep...we use Shure brand mics on everything. Their percussion mics are particularly good. They last for ever too.
 

AlienCraft

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Sennheiser 835 is a decent mic at a reasonable price. The Shure SM57 is OK as well.
Either can be had for less than $100.00
 

CptObvious

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What price range are you looking at? The SM57 is pretty much a standard, and it's considered a bargain at "only" $90. However, its mainly used for recording guitar amps and snare drums. If you want to record vocals and instruments you should definitely go with a condenser mic (you also need a mixer/preamp with phantom power to power it), because the extra clarity makes a huge difference over a dynamic mic like the SM57.

For mics under $100, I would recommend:

Vocals (large diaphragm condensers):
Studio Projects B1 ($80)
Marshall MXL V67 ($80)
Oktava MK319 ($80)

Instruments (small diaphragm condensers):
Marshall MXL603S ($80)
Oktava MK012 ($75...check Guitar Center, sometimes they have them on sale for 2/$100)
Behringer ECM8000 ($40)

If you can afford $200 or more, there are a lot more choices. Any mic under $300 is probably an imitation Chinese clone of the more expensive European mics (like the $2K Neumanns) but still give decent results.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: CptObvious
What price range are you looking at? The SM57 is pretty much a standard, and it's considered a bargain at "only" $90. However, its mainly used for recording guitar amps and snare drums. If you want to record vocals and instruments you should definitely go with a condenser mic (you also need a mixer/preamp with phantom power to power it), because the extra clarity makes a huge difference over a dynamic mic like the SM57.

For mics under $100, I would recommend:

Vocals (large diaphragm condensers):
Studio Projects B1 ($80)
Marshall MXL V67 ($80)
Oktava MK319 ($80)

Instruments (small diaphragm condensers):
Marshall MXL603S ($80)
Oktava MK012 ($75...check Guitar Center, sometimes they have them on sale for 2/$100)
Behringer ECM8000 ($40)

If you can afford $200 or more, there are a lot more choices. Any mic under $300 is probably an imitation Chinese clone of the more expensive European mics (like the $2K Neumanns) but still give decent results.
Do not get trapped in the rut of thinking mics can "Only" be used for certain things. The only exception I can think of is using a Ribbon mic on a high SPL item, such as a guitar amp or kick drum. The high transients will blow the ribbon out, and they are expensive to replace.
There are far more vocal tracks recorded as "scratch tracks" that end up being the "keeper" with an sm57/58 than you might realize. The SM 57 is the SAME capsule as the Sm 58. The SM58 simply has the windscreen integrated into the assembly.
While I agree that SOME vocalists sound better on a large diaphragm condensor, their use is not mandated by any means.
Audio -Technica makes some really good mics as well as AKG. If you're going to catalog shop, get theee to a Guitar Center and try some out ,FIRST. Let your ears guide you.

 

CptObvious

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Do not get trapped in the rut of thinking mics can "Only" be used for certain things. The only exception I can think of is using a Ribbon mic on a high SPL item, such as a guitar amp or kick drum. The high transients will blow the ribbon out, and they are expensive to replace.
There are far more vocal tracks recorded as "scratch tracks" that end up being the "keeper" with an sm57/58 than you might realize. The SM 57 is the SAME capsule as the Sm 58. The SM58 simply has the windscreen integrated into the assembly.
While I agree that SOME vocalists sound better on a large diaphragm condensor, their use is not mandated by any means.
Audio -Technica makes some really good mics as well as AKG. If you're going to catalog shop, get theee to a Guitar Center and try some out ,FIRST. Let your ears guide you.
I agree that the SM57/58 are good for vocals but for most vocalists I wouldn't consider it a first choice. I have a 58 lying around but always reach for a LD condenser first because 9/10 times it will sound more detailed and flattering to the human voice. The popularity with the 58 is mainly as a live mic...perhaps some singers use it in the studio because it's what they're comfortable with.

 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: CptObvious
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Do not get trapped in the rut of thinking mics can "Only" be used for certain things. The only exception I can think of is using a Ribbon mic on a high SPL item, such as a guitar amp or kick drum. The high transients will blow the ribbon out, and they are expensive to replace.
There are far more vocal tracks recorded as "scratch tracks" that end up being the "keeper" with an sm57/58 than you might realize. The SM 57 is the SAME capsule as the Sm 58. The SM58 simply has the windscreen integrated into the assembly.
While I agree that SOME vocalists sound better on a large diaphragm condensor, their use is not mandated by any means.
Audio -Technica makes some really good mics as well as AKG. If you're going to catalog shop, get theee to a Guitar Center and try some out ,FIRST. Let your ears guide you.
I agree that the SM57/58 are good for vocals but for most vocalists I wouldn't consider it a first choice. I have a 58 lying around but always reach for a LD condenser first because 9/10 times it will sound more detailed and flattering to the human voice. The popularity with the 58 is mainly as a live mic...perhaps some singers use it in the studio because it's what they're comfortable with.
Exactly why that mic is often the one the best performance comes from. Often times as an engineer, we make compromises between performance quality and recording quality. I'll take the best performance. Furthermore, the OP was asking for a multi purpose mic. 9/10 I wouldn't want someone without prior experience in front of a LD condensor. The intimidation factor of such mics can kill a noob's performance. Again, it's about making a vocalist "comfortable" so as to elicit the best performance.

 

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I really like the Rode NT-1 and the CAD Equitek for low cost condenser mics. The CAD is neat because it doesn't need phantom power like most other condenser mics do. They both have that wonderful crispy condenser mic sound. If that's still too rich for you, you can always get pretty good results with an SM57.
 

JMaster

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the sm57 isn't really a studio mic so if you're interested in recording, i'd suggest you look into a Behringer B2. It's cheap and good.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: JMaster
the sm57 isn't really a studio mic so if you're interested in recording, i'd suggest you look into a Behringer B2. It's cheap and good.
LOL, you'll find more SM57's in a studio than you'll find ANY Behringer CRAP. Unless by studio you mean a basement room built around a washing machine and furnace.
< 27+ years in the Audio / Stage / Theatrical business. Built more studios than you've been in. PERIOD.
Behringer gear is ok if you're on a budget. I'ld buy a used SM57 before a new Behringer. Try repairing a Behringer, then you'll understand what I'm talking about.

 

CptObvious

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I wouldn't want someone without prior experience in front of a LD condensor. The intimidation factor of such mics can kill a noob's performance. Again, it's about making a vocalist "comfortable" so as to elicit the best performance.
If that were the case, then a lot more studios would be using dynamics to track vocals. It isn't that big of a deal for most vocalists to adjust...most people can refrain from touching the mic, getting too close to it, spitting into it, etc. Some people are better suited for dynamics, I'll agree...mostly for 'screaming' type rock vocals, or those who feel they have to hold the mic or put their lips against it.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: CptObvious
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I wouldn't want someone without prior experience in front of a LD condensor. The intimidation factor of such mics can kill a noob's performance. Again, it's about making a vocalist "comfortable" so as to elicit the best performance.
If that were the case, then a lot more studios would be using dynamics to track vocals. It isn't that big of a deal for most vocalists to adjust...most people can refrain from touching the mic, getting too close to it, spitting into it, etc. Some people are better suited for dynamics, I'll agree...mostly for 'screaming' type rock vocals, or those who feel they have to hold the mic or put their lips against it.
Having spent the better part of two decades in recording studios, I can say, without equivocation, that SM58's are used far more than you give them credit for. Furthermore, there are far more scratch tracks, recorded with SM58's used as keeper tracks, especially with todays digital modeling software, that end up as keepers.
YOU may reach for a LD condensor, as do I generally, but the FINAL objective is to elicit the best performance and the best recording , in that order. I know of no producer that will keep a substandard performance track, regardless of "quality" if there is one with more "feel",even if that track is recorded with an SM58.
We could debate this for years, but the final result is whatever the OP can afford. I still maintain an SM 58 has more value overall, than a LD condensor that is a "special use" mic.

 

CptObvious

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I respect your opinion, and you have a lot more experience than I do, but I respectfully disagree with your recommendation. I think a condenser like the Studio Projects B1 is neutral sounding enough to be a better all-around mic. I don't know what instruments the OP records but in my personal experience the SM57/58 is great for miking amps/snares and passable for vocals but doesn't record acoustic guitar or piano as well as any cheap condenser. The SM57/58 just lacks the high-frequency detail to capture them clearly. It was designed this way to reduce handling noise in a live setting, but for home recording I'd take the tradeoff of clarity over lower handling noise.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: CptObvious
I respect your opinion, and you have a lot more experience than I do, but I respectfully disagree with your recommendation. I think a condenser like the Studio Projects B1 is neutral sounding enough to be a better all-around mic. I don't know what instruments the OP records but in my personal experience the SM57/58 is great for miking amps/snares and passable for vocals but doesn't record acoustic guitar or piano as well as any cheap condenser. The SM57/58 just lacks the high-frequency detail to capture them clearly. It was designed this way to reduce handling noise in a live setting, but for home recording I'd take the tradeoff of clarity over lower handling noise.
You may be right about that mic. I haven't had the chance to use it. I still stand by my recommendation for the 57/58 as a starting place for the OP. Given we are assuming what and how things are to be recorded, I went with what I know works in a majority of situations. Given a Condensor will require a Pre-amp with Phantom power, it seems as if it's the "More stuff" syndrome that is the ruination of many a studio / project.
As always, YMMV.
Here's to recording experimentation and new discoveries by all concerned.
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AlienCraft

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BTW, it's never about the gear. It's how good the song is. You could record a hit song on an answering machine and sell it if the song is good enough. A crappy song will never be a hit, no matter what it's recorded on.
 

xchangx

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What price range are you looking at? The SM57 is pretty much a standard, and it's considered a bargain at "only" $90. However, its mainly used for recording guitar amps and snare drums. If you want to record vocals and instruments you should definitely go with a condenser mic (you also need a mixer/preamp with phantom power to power it), because the extra clarity makes a huge difference over a dynamic mic like the SM57.

For mics under $100, I would recommend:

Vocals (large diaphragm condensers):
Studio Projects B1 ($80)
Marshall MXL V67 ($80)
Oktava MK319 ($80)

Instruments (small diaphragm condensers):
Marshall MXL603S ($80)
Oktava MK012 ($75...check Guitar Center, sometimes they have them on sale for 2/$100)
Behringer ECM8000 ($40)

If you can afford $200 or more, there are a lot more choices. Any mic under $300 is probably an imitation Chinese clone of the more expensive European mics (like the $2K Neumanns) but still give decent results.

Man, that's a bad list... Marshall mics suck, Behringer mics are terrible, Oktava mics are bad as well.

Rode makes a mic (Rode NT2) that is extremely awesome, never heard a mic that cheap come close to a Neumann.

The Shure SM57 is an all purpose mic. Snare, some bass drum (I've heard it on a few albums), guitar, vocal (more rock that slow stuff).

At one point I had about 5-6 57's laying around.
 

CptObvious

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Originally posted by: xchangx
Man, that's a bad list... Marshall mics suck, Behringer mics are terrible, Oktava mics are bad as well.



Rode makes a mic (Rode NT2) that is extremely awesome, never heard a mic that cheap come close to a Neumann.



The Shure SM57 is an all purpose mic. Snare, some bass drum (I've heard it on a few albums), guitar, vocal (more rock that slow stuff).



At one point I had about 5-6 57's laying around.
Sorry but have you used any of the above mics? I have owned/used all of the above and found them to be good *for the price*. I'm not disputing that the Rode NT2 is a better mic than any of the above, but last I check it was selling for almost $350 and was discontinued.
 

thomsbrain

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any studio that has the slightest clue will have a case full of SM57's, and they only cost like $80. Enjoy it while it lasts, because every other piece of gear you'll ever buy will be hugely overpriced. Shure is a great company for those of us without limitless budgets, and a pretty good one even for people where price is no object. the 57 is built like a tank, can handle almost any volume, and is resonably clear.

that said, i wouldn't be caught dead using one for anything other than snare drums, primarily because of the presense boost. i like stuff to sound natural and warm, so i've found that even for incredbily loud guitar amps and things, i prefer a nice condensor like the Shure KSM44. in comparison, the 57 lacks balls and it has a nasal sound that makes guitars sound like chainsaws. of course, the 44 costs 10 times as much as the 57, but you do get what you pay for.

anyway, for less than $100, get a 57, or a 58 if you plan to do vocals. the 58 is essentially the same mic as the 57, but with that metal ball on the end and a built-in windscreen.
 

AlienCraft

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Sennheiser 421's are good also, and they can be had on eBay for $150.00 +/-
They're a grade up from an SM57, imnho....