music cd-r(w) over regular media?

[earsjr]

i just bought the Sony RCD-W500C cd recording system for my church. according to the manual (and several product reviews), music cd-r (and cd-rw) discs are required for use.

my question is what's different about regular media used for computers and these music specific media that are a little harder to find and a tad bit more expensive? if i choose a high quality data cd (like TY or the like) would it be sufficient?

on a side note, can anyone suggest a place to get a good deal on music/audio cd-r media in bulk? (for a church)

thanks for the help!

 

[Shawn]

It probably looks for a specific tag written on the cd-r that tells it it's a music cd. The only difference is you are paying more money because some of it goes to the music industry.

 

[earsjr]

so does it mean the unit is just rejecting regular media because of that tag? or are there any technical difference between recordable cd media?

btw, does anyone have any personal experience with this machine? i know it's pretty much the last of its kind being sold in stores so i wouldn't be surprised if there was...

 

[PurdueRy]

I have yet to see a device that only accepts so called "Music CD-R's"

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
I have yet to see a device that only accepts so called "Music CD-R's"

It's a Sony, so I would not be surprised.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: earsjr
so does it mean the unit is just rejecting regular media because of that tag? or are there any technical difference between recordable cd media?

btw, does anyone have any personal experience with this machine? i know it's pretty much the last of its kind being sold in stores so i wouldn't be surprised if there was...

the only difference is the tag. it is there to provide a royalty to the record companies.

 

[earsjr]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: earsjr
so does it mean the unit is just rejecting regular media because of that tag? or are there any technical difference between recordable cd media?

btw, does anyone have any personal experience with this machine? i know it's pretty much the last of its kind being sold in stores so i wouldn't be surprised if there was...

the only difference is the tag. it is there to provide a royalty to the record companies.

is there any way around this?

 

[Tiamat]

have you tried a standard data cd-r yet? btw, i usually by my media from this place: http://www. supermediastore .com/

eliminate the spaces. For some reason, AT doesnt like the link

 

[earsjr]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
have you tried a standard data cd-r yet? btw, i usually by my media from this place: http://www. supermediastore .com/

eliminate the spaces. For some reason, AT doesnt like the link

thanks for the info. i haven't set it up yet so haven't tried regular discs. i just don't want to mess up the laser or anything because of some hardware incompatibility. but from what i'm reading it just sounds like a minor issue that wouldn't hurt if a data disc ended up working.

as for the link, i think it's just blocked as spam... i know it's like that with a few other sites

 

[earsjr]

i just noticed that site doesn't have recordable music cds from what i can tell.

any other suggestions?

 

[Oyeve]

There is (or was) a difference years ago with audio cd recorders, like for home stereos. The discs certified as Music CDRs have a bit in it that the recorder would recognize and allow you to record to the cd. Those recorders would not let you use standard CDRs. But since PC cd burners are dirt cheap there really is no need to get the music cdrs unless you still have an old home stereo cd recorder.


"Can consumer compact disc audio recorders write to any CD-R or CD-RW media or are special discs required?
Even though general purpose CD-R and CD-RW discs and their consumer audio versions appear for all practical purposes identical, only blank media bearing the ?Compact Disc Digital Audio Recordable? (CD-DA Recordable) and ?Compact Disc Digital Audio Rewritable? (CD-DA Rewritable) logos can be written in consumer audio recorders. The reason for this restriction is to comply with international copyright agreements. A special Disc Application Code present in the ATIP information of a CD-DA Recordable/Rewritable disc?s pregroove wobble identifies it specifically for audio use. Consumer audio recorders are programmed to reject discs not containing the correct code. By adopting this safeguard various countries and other authorizing jurisdictions may selectively apply copyright levies to the price of blank discs intended for consumer audio use while exempting those destined for computer or professional applications."

From here, toward the bottom.

 

[earsjr]

bummer.

i don't understand how people hack almost every dvd player out there, but this (pretty much the only unit of its kind left in stores) machine has no mod attempts...

still, since i have no other choice really, i'm still wondering if anyone has any source where i could find cheap music recordable media in bulk...

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: earsjr
bummer.

i don't understand how people hack almost every dvd player out there, but this (pretty much the only unit of its kind left in stores) machine has no mod attempts...

still, since i have no other choice really, i'm still wondering if anyone has any source where i could find cheap music recordable media in bulk...

Try e-media depot I haven't made any purchases from them, and they have 10 on reseller ratings but only 5 voters...
Also, I don't know the coaster rate for that make of CD-R...

The solution you probably are not looking for, but I figure I mentioned it anyways:

I take it that using a computer to store the recordings digitally is out of the question? Recording directly through soundcard into the harddrive would side step the requirement for the music CD-Rs while an old computer could be used as it is not very processor intensive. (Normal data cds could then be used to make loanable copies). This would assume you are able to return the recording system for refund.

 

[earsjr]

of course having a dedicated computer connected to the mixer would be the best option for a large number of reasons... but having a standalone unit to record directly to disc is just a better option for us. our sound guys at church aren't exactly tech saavy, and i'd probably be asking for more trouble if i tried anything more than this. we've been using cassette tapes for over 20 years now, this will be a big leap as it is, haha

thanks for the site! but those prices make me feel like i already made 100 coasters out of them

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: earsjr
of course having a dedicated computer connected to the mixer would be the best option for a large number of reasons... but having a standalone unit to record directly to disc is just a better option for us. our sound guys at church aren't exactly tech saavy, and i'd probably be asking for more trouble if i tried anything more than this. we've been using cassette tapes for over 20 years now, this will be a big leap as it is, haha

thanks for the site! but those prices make me feel like i already made 100 coasters out of them

Yeah, sorry :/

Unfortunately, I have not seen less than 17 cents per music cd-r. They are typically 50 cents per disk which is quite a rip off

 

[earsjr]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: earsjr
of course having a dedicated computer connected to the mixer would be the best option for a large number of reasons... but having a standalone unit to record directly to disc is just a better option for us. our sound guys at church aren't exactly tech saavy, and i'd probably be asking for more trouble if i tried anything more than this. we've been using cassette tapes for over 20 years now, this will be a big leap as it is, haha

thanks for the site! but those prices make me feel like i already made 100 coasters out of them

Yeah, sorry :/

Unfortunately, I have not seen less than 17 cents per music cd-r. They are typically 50 cents per disk which is quite a rip off

oh, no... don't get me wrong--those prices are unbelievable. it just makes me a little uneasy BECAUSE they're so cheap is all. maybe i'll have to buy a CD duplicator in addition to my recorder, and hopefully THAT unit accepts data CDs

btw, i got the unit from Amazon... so who knows how easy/hard a return would be.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: earsjr

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: earsjr
of course having a dedicated computer connected to the mixer would be the best option for a large number of reasons... but having a standalone unit to record directly to disc is just a better option for us. our sound guys at church aren't exactly tech saavy, and i'd probably be asking for more trouble if i tried anything more than this. we've been using cassette tapes for over 20 years now, this will be a big leap as it is, haha

thanks for the site! but those prices make me feel like i already made 100 coasters out of them

Yeah, sorry :/

Unfortunately, I have not seen less than 17 cents per music cd-r. They are typically 50 cents per disk which is quite a rip off

oh, no... don't get me wrong--those prices are unbelievable. it just makes me a little uneasy BECAUSE they're so cheap is all. maybe i'll have to buy a CD duplicator in addition to my recorder, and hopefully THAT unit accepts data CDs

btw, i got the unit from Amazon... so who knows how easy/hard a return would be.

mm, i guess it depends if you bought it from the Amazon Marketplace, and if the individual stores have return policies. Then again, for church, its probably easier to use the Sony in theory since there would be no real learning curve.

These might be decent, although its 50 disks for 15$ Spend over 150$ and there is a 15$ off coupon on that site.