Multiple Nazi memorials erected over the weekend

[CanOWorms]

Croatia fumes over Nazi plaque

Sunday, August 22, 2004 Posted: 2242 GMT (0642 HKT)

ZAGREB, Croatia (AP) -- The Croatian government has urged village officials to remove a monument honoring a member of Croatia's World War II Nazi regime.

The plaque commemorating Mile Budak, a poet who served as education minister in the German-backed 1941-1945 government, was apparently erected late Saturday or early Sunday in the village of Lovinac, in central Croatia.

Villagers on their way to Sunday Mass found the monument near a church.

Croatian state television showed pictures of the black marble plaque engraved with Budak's name and profile.

It was not immediately clear who had put it up, but a group of emigrants from Lovinac living in Canada and Australia had recently said they were considering raising such a monument.

Prime Minister Ivo Sanader's party urged local officials to remove the plaque, saying "it damages the region, Croatia and its national interests."

Croatia's Roman Catholic Church and human rights groups in the Balkan country also condemned the monument.

President Stipe Mesic had earlier warned against raising the monument, saying such projects were particularly unacceptable in regions struggling to rebuild ethnic relations strained by war.

Budak, who was born in the region, was responsible for racial laws imposed during the Nazi-backed regime of dictator Ante Pavelic and was executed after a postwar trial on July 7, 1945.

He was also an author of poems and other literary works, and the emigrants' group contended it meant to celebrate those works and not his political deeds.

"Obviously they were aware that what they were doing was questionable since they did it secretly," local resident Hrvoje Racic told state television.

Some of the most fierce fighting between Croats and ethnic Serbs, who rebelled against Croatia's independence from Yugoslavia in 1991, took place in the ethnically mixed area of Gospic, where Lovinac is located.

Estonia unveils Nazi war monument

An Estonian town has unveiled a controversial monument to honour those who fought with Nazi forces against the Soviet Union in World War II.

The monument depicts an Estonian soldier in German military uniform.

The local authorities in the western town of Lihula said they wanted to honour those Estonians who had to choose between the two sides.

But the Estonian Prime Minister, Juhan Parts, described the monument as a provocation.

An investigation is underway into whether it could incite political hostilities.

'Less evil one'

About 2,000 people attended the unveiling ceremony on Friday.

"This monument is for people who had to choose between two evils, and they chose the less evil one," Tiit Madisson, the governor of the Lihula parish, was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.

"They had already experience of the Soviet occupation, and they didn't want it to come back," he added.

A plaque on the monument reads: "To Estonian men who fought in 1940-1945 against Bolshevism and for the restoration of Estonian independence."

Correspondents say no official protest had been received from Russia, which was widely expected to condemn the monument.

crazy villagers

 

[Kibbo]

Estonia experienced worse under Stalin (who was a greater criminal) than many countries who were occupied by Germany.

Although I am not comfortable with the statue, for a country with their history, I can understand the inclination.

 

[dmcowen674]

I'm sure there will be "inclination" to erect Bush I and Bush lite Memorials too even though the U.S. has clearly faired worse under them as well. <Shrugs>

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm sure there will be "inclination" to erect Bush I and Bush lite Memorials too even though the U.S. has clearly faired worse under them as well. <Shrugs>

Easy Dave.....

Our tendency to memoralize past presidents amount to the usual naming of airports, streets, holidays and librarys after them. Statues are a bit passe' for presidents. I doubt that the bushes would have one done nor would any of their fans. Heck, I think we'd see a statue of Reagan or Clinton before we'd see a plaster bush.

On the croation note, really what the topic was about (elbos cowen), it's a reminder for all of us of the opporession some of those smaller UK countries suffered in this decade. It's easy to forget sitting behind our 19" LCD's and sipping our mocha latte's from starbux.

 

[rextilleon]

Once a Nazi--always a Nazi--unbelievable--Hey, maybe we should put up a monument for Ezra Pound! No you read poets and you dont memorialize the racist ones.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm sure there will be "inclination" to erect Bush I and Bush lite Memorials too even though the U.S. has clearly faired worse under them as well. <Shrugs>

NO, thanks to Bush, Iraq is a democracy and the Taliban is removed from power. And we are slowly picked off terrorists all over the world.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm sure there will be "inclination" to erect Bush I and Bush lite Memorials too even though the U.S. has clearly faired worse under them as well. <Shrugs>

NO, thanks to Bush, Iraq is a democracy and the Taliban is removed from power. And we are slowly picked off terrorists all over the world.

But N. Korea and Iran aren't democracies yet. And they were more ripe for invasion than Iraq according to the reasons for invading Iraq.

Zephyr

 

[fornax]

Runner20, where have you been? Iraq a democracy? Iraq is occupied by a foreign power, its government was appointed by that same power, its prime minister is alleged to have personally shot and killed seven insurgents, torture and killings are rampant (from all three sides). Afghanistan is a disaster, the occupying forces there (USA + NATO) have average daily losses similar to those of the Soviet army in the 80s. The so-called Afghanistant government barely controls Kabul and a few major cities, everywhere else it's chaos and fighting. The elections have been postponed and it's not clear if they'll happen at all with the Taliban killing election officials and volunteers. Should I go on?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm sure there will be "inclination" to erect Bush I and Bush lite Memorials too even though the U.S. has clearly faired worse under them as well. <Shrugs>

NO, thanks to Bush, Iraq is a democracy and the Taliban is removed from power. And we are slowly picked off terrorists all over the world.

But N. Korea and Iran aren't democracies yet. And they were more ripe for invasion than Iraq according to the reasons for invading Iraq.

Zephyr

Originally posted by: fornax
Runner20, where have you been? Iraq a democracy? Iraq is occupied by a foreign power, its government was appointed by that same power, its prime minister is alleged to have personally shot and killed seven insurgents, torture and killings are rampant (from all three sides). Afghanistan is a disaster, the occupying forces there (USA + NATO) have average daily losses similar to those of the Soviet army in the 80s. The so-called Afghanistant government barely controls Kabul and a few major cities, everywhere else it's chaos and fighting. The elections have been postponed and it's not clear if they'll happen at all with the Taliban killing election officials and volunteers. Should I go on?

See I knew there would be those "inclined" to put up Bush Monuments on their failures.

 

[CanOWorms]

Seems like a lot more Nazi activities happened just over this weekend:

Paris Jewish center destroyed by arson

Neo-Nazis arrested at Hess march

So much over the weekend

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Once a Nazi--always a Nazi--unbelievable--Hey, maybe we should put up a monument for Ezra Pound! No you read poets and you dont memorialize the racist ones.

you thought long before you posted that didn't you?

how about:
once an killer of native americans, always a killer of native americans. some of those generals that led the extermination of american indians are quite revered.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Once a Nazi--always a Nazi--unbelievable--Hey, maybe we should put up a monument for Ezra Pound! No you read poets and you dont memorialize the racist ones.

Pound's earlier work was brilliant. I would memorialize that. His later work became tainted with insanity as well as anti-semitism.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: fornax
Runner20, where have you been? Iraq a democracy? Iraq is occupied by a foreign power, its government was appointed by that same power, its prime minister is alleged to have personally shot and killed seven insurgents, torture and killings are rampant (from all three sides). Afghanistan is a disaster, the occupying forces there (USA + NATO) have average daily losses similar to those of the Soviet army in the 80s. The so-called Afghanistant government barely controls Kabul and a few major cities, everywhere else it's chaos and fighting. The elections have been postponed and it's not clear if they'll happen at all with the Taliban killing election officials and volunteers. Should I go on?

fornax, this is the type of post that i show to the guys here at fort hood and we all laugh at.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: fornax
Runner20, where have you been? Iraq a democracy? Iraq is occupied by a foreign power, its government was appointed by that same power, its prime minister is alleged to have personally shot and killed seven insurgents, torture and killings are rampant (from all three sides). Afghanistan is a disaster, the occupying forces there (USA + NATO) have average daily losses similar to those of the Soviet army in the 80s. The so-called Afghanistant government barely controls Kabul and a few major cities, everywhere else it's chaos and fighting. The elections have been postponed and it's not clear if they'll happen at all with the Taliban killing election officials and volunteers. Should I go on?

fornax, this is the type of post that i show to the guys here at fort hood and we all laugh at.

Go ahead and laugh, one day you will join the fellows on the front lines, let's see how much you laugh then.

I am sure that the guys at the front appreciate you laughing while their lifes are on the line for no good reason.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: fornax
Runner20, where have you been? Iraq a democracy? Iraq is occupied by a foreign power, its government was appointed by that same power, its prime minister is alleged to have personally shot and killed seven insurgents, torture and killings are rampant (from all three sides). Afghanistan is a disaster, the occupying forces there (USA + NATO) have average daily losses similar to those of the Soviet army in the 80s. The so-called Afghanistant government barely controls Kabul and a few major cities, everywhere else it's chaos and fighting. The elections have been postponed and it's not clear if they'll happen at all with the Taliban killing election officials and volunteers. Should I go on?

fornax, this is the type of post that i show to the guys here at fort hood and we all laugh at.

Go ahead and laugh, one day you will join the fellows on the front lines, let's see how much you laugh then.

I am sure that the guys at the front appreciate you laughing while their lifes are on the line for no good reason.

But you don't understand. We OWN Iraq and Afghanistan now. Those monkeyboys belong to us no matter what some libbie says.

Zephyr

 

[Klixxer]

To the original thread, this is a disgrace, it makes me sad to think that people that i have fought for will do this.

Nazi bastards can burn in hell.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: fornax
Runner20, where have you been? Iraq a democracy? Iraq is occupied by a foreign power, its government was appointed by that same power, its prime minister is alleged to have personally shot and killed seven insurgents, torture and killings are rampant (from all three sides). Afghanistan is a disaster, the occupying forces there (USA + NATO) have average daily losses similar to those of the Soviet army in the 80s. The so-called Afghanistant government barely controls Kabul and a few major cities, everywhere else it's chaos and fighting. The elections have been postponed and it's not clear if they'll happen at all with the Taliban killing election officials and volunteers. Should I go on?

fornax, this is the type of post that i show to the guys here at fort hood and we all laugh at.

Go ahead and laugh, one day you will join the fellows on the front lines, let's see how much you laugh then.

I am sure that the guys at the front appreciate you laughing while their lifes are on the line for no good reason.

But you don't understand. We OWN Iraq and Afghanistan now. Those monkeyboys belong to us no matter what some libbie says.

Zephyr

So that is why i have got a letter asking me to join into the teams going into Afghanistan, well sorrry boys, i can't i am going to Kosovo, peacekeepers are still there and it is a much sweeter job. I have been to Afghanistan, and it wasn't pleasant.

Sorry buddies, but this one time i will do what is best for me and my family. I do wish the best for those who are there though.

As if that helps any.