Mueller talking to congress

[kage69]

I was only able to watch bits of it live earlier today, but just now watched his whole address twice.

My impressions:

Mueller is tired, and wishes people would just read the damn report. While it may be necessary for a subpoena to be sent his way (one he would immediately honor he said) I hope Mueller can escape this shitshow for the retirement he deserves. I get the impression he has been walking a painstakingly narrow rope in order to insulate himself and staff from the tendrils of politics and media.

Bob Barr is a piece of shit.

Mueller is telling Congress plainly that there was no exoneration here, that impeachment is the next step because he can't prosecute. Congress, here are the findings regarding Russian interference, now go do your job.




Pelosi needs to release the hounds. If 20+ republican senators want to pick Trump over the Constitution and country, let them. Their devotion to a treasonous conman and wannabe dictator is no egg on the Dems. Bottom line if Trump isn't impeachable than who the hell is? Either we have kings or we don't. If the answer is yes, let it be the republicans who say it.

 

[ivwshane]

Again, it's not that I so much disagree with you as I'm just no where as confident as you. We are talking about a President that shouldn't have been elected if we held to these standards. I'm not sure how we'll go from that to everyone seeing the GOP as obstructionist. I can't help but feel if anything, impeachment would harden already divided stances even more. The undecided/non-paying attention voter (or mouthbreather if you'd like), who's critical to elections, will only see the 'not guilty' and hear a President going on the attack with it. I'm not saying the Democrats shouldn't impeach him. I just see that it's a lot more complicated with an election season just around the corner. They really need a public testimony from someone that works for him like Nixon. Until they have something so huge that the GOP can't easily deflect, the risk might not be worth the reward.

I totally understand your sentiment but there is only one option that the founding fathers left us and we either follow it or acknowledge that the government they created no longer exists.

The remedy for a dysfunctional Congress is to vote them out. Sadly, even that is becoming a challenge.

 

[Jhhnn]

What we learned is that Mueller preserved the evidence for an impeachment trial because he couldn't, in his opinion, charge the President himself.

And Barr is holding it back. How long that will last is unknown.

 

[DarthKyrie]

I thought ignorance of the law is not an excuse??

Listening to the Fox News feed. The hosts are really trying to hedge on Mueller's statement the OLC opinion prevented a prosecution.

It is if you are part of the GOP.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pelosi needs to release the hounds.

Did someone say hounds?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...px.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

 

[drifter106]

He said that he is not allowed to say the President committed obstruction of justice, but he can say that the president didn't NOT commit obstruction of justice.

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It'll be interesting to see how the public reacts to Mueller's comments...

It looks like he wants to just stick to the facts and avoid getting himself or the people who worked with him embroiled in partisan politics

At least part of the report that he talked about and summarized was the Intro to Volume II where he explained why they weren't reaching a conclusion on whether the President committed the crime of obstruction. Hopefully, his reiterating of this will make it harder for Trump, Barr, and other Trump apologists to deny it and pretend that section of the report does not exist. Although I am not so optimistic on that.

I would say this is Mueller sending in the punt team, to remind Congress of their constitutional duty.

Mueller - 'If we had confidence the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not,'

 

[Moonbeam]

And Barr is holding it back. How long that will last is unknown.

I believe that Mueller congratulated Barr on releasing his report to Congress stating that the redactions seemed appropriate. That Barr seems to have put his own spin on the report, implying that no charge equated to no proof of guilt, when Mueller clearly thought the DOJ was not entitled to render such an opinion, he, Barr, and again in Muller's opinion, released the report with only appropriate redactions. In shout, I do not think Mueller supports your conclusion, at least as far as the report itself is concerned. What we do know is that some 700 plus prosecutors have signed on to a declaration that Trump would have been indicted if he were not President. So we wind up with one political party insisting on Trumps innocence and a cadre of prosecutors whose job it is to determine when to prosecute for a crime, saying they would prosecute Trump as a private citizen. That tells you that an objective view of the law says Trump should be tired and convicted by the Congress together.

That would happen in a Democracy of the people, but I believe that democracy is dead, killed by a mafia of wealthy people and their sycophants in the Republican party. The only danger to control of the government by the 1% is a democratic system and I believe that far from a difference in political opinion between Democrats and Republicans, we have a coup where a mafia runs the country centered in the Republican party.

I think it is futile to expect them to find political courage to turn against Trump because he and they all work for the same mafia that intends to control the government and protect it from the American people. They have all their psyops and propaganda pieces in place. Money is all that matters.

Bye Bye Miss American Pie

 

[feralkid]

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

Wow, that is some classic 6th-grade level demagoguery!

Nice job; collect your Rubles as you leave.

"Party of Evil" was a nice touch as well.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

This is just all kinds of stupid really. Mueller was the investigator, not the prosecutor. He had prosecutors who took things to trial.

Investigators clear people all they time by uncovering the facts and evidence that either shows someone is innocent or it doesn’t. The info is them presented to a prosecutor who decides how to move forward. Someone who the evidence shows is not guilty is, in fact, cleared by the investigator.

 

[UNCjigga]

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

Lemme guess...the only zealots getting a pass on being “good for the country” are evangelicals and white supremacists ... amirite???

 

[Jhhnn]

I believe that Mueller congratulated Barr on releasing his report to Congress stating that the redactions seemed appropriate. That Barr seems to have put his own spin on the report, implying that no charge equated to no proof of guilt, when Mueller clearly thought the DOJ was not entitled to render such an opinion, he, Barr, and again in Muller's opinion, released the report with only appropriate redactions. In shout, I do not think Mueller supports your conclusion, at least as far as the report itself is concerned.

This portion of Mueller's remarks requires careful parsing-

We conducted an independent criminal investigation and reported the results to the attorney general, as required by department regulations. The attorney general then concluded that it was appropriate to provide our report to Congress and to the American people.

At one point in time, I requested that certain portions of the report be released. The attorney general preferred to make the entire report public all at once, and we appreciate that the attorney general made the report largely public, and I certainly did not question the attorney general’s good faith in that decision.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/robert-muellers-statement-full-speech-transcript.html

Marines don't question the good faith of their immediate superiors. It's just not done. They follow the chain of command.

 

[drifter106]

Lemme guess...the only zealots getting a pass on being “good for the country” are evangelicals and white supremacists ... amirite???

you guessed wrong...wanta guess again?

 

[Paratus]

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

Are you concerned? You sound concerned

Your frothing about the restrained way Mueller, a Republican, reported on his narrowly tailored investigation tells me all I need to know and it’s all good for the democrats excuse me party of evil.

 

[fskimospy]

you guessed wrong...wanta guess again?

Serious question. An independent investigator has compiled evidence that the president has committed multiple felonies.

How do you feel about that?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

That's a wonderful parody of someone interested in the rule of law who is also informed. Parody to be sure, but the feigned concern over Mueller compared to the criminal in charge which you embrace? No one is fooled, perhaps even you.

 

[drifter106]

This portion of Mueller's remarks requires careful parsing-



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/robert-muellers-statement-full-speech-transcript.html

Marines don't question the good faith of their immediate superiors. It's just not done. They follow the chain of command.

So why the news conference? If he gave a 400 page report on the matter there shouldn't be a need...right? All he did was stir the Party of Evil's base to further their antics.

It really surprises me that people who fall in line with this impeachment thing don't remember the Beasts husband impeachment. Republicans voted to impeach President Clinton but guess what....it didn't go anywhere in the Senate. Its turning into a group of bloviators trying to urniate up a rope. Impeach the guy....in a way, I hope they do. It will die in the Senate and you will hand Trump 4 more years.

That will give some people 4 more years of trolling....lmao

 

[kage69]

Did someone say hounds?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...px.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

Chomper sick balls.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So why the news conference? If he gave a 400 page report on the matter there shouldn't be a need...right? All he did was stir the Party of Evil's base to further their antics.

It really surprises me that people who fall in line with this impeachment thing don't remember the Beasts husband impeachment. Republicans voted to impeach President Clinton but guess what....it didn't go anywhere in the Senate. Its turning into a group of bloviators trying to urniate up a rope. Impeach the guy....in a way, I hope they do. It will die in the Senate and you will hand Trump 4 more years.

That will give some people 4 more years of trolling....lmao

Well the above gives me some confidence that Trumpettes are fearful of impeachment. Oh not because of the Senate as Trump could shoot someone and the above poster support the Senate's utter disregard for the facts, but that there's probably more to be had. Take Mueller as an example of how things can change. At this point Mueller won't go beyond his report in testimony, but impeachment gives Congress far greater powers than they are now exercising. Mueller will then owe allegience yet again to the Constitution and the one body responsible the House and his obligations will be to them and not the President, Barr or the Executive Branch. Reps are right to fear the truth will come out but they are also dismissive of it in public and will subvert the nation as the Party of Evil.

I still give Trump half a chance to win but being proven a coward, nitwit, liar and criminal, tried or not, isn't going to be a plus.

 

[drifter106]

Are you concerned? You sound concerned

Your frothing about the restrained way Mueller, a Republican, reported on his narrowly tailored investigation tells me all I need to know and it’s all good for the democrats excuse me party of evil.

Honestly....not frothing, just drinking a red beer and replying to your comment.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This portion of Mueller's remarks requires careful parsing-

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/robert-muellers-statement-full-speech-transcript.html

Marines don't question the good faith of their immediate superiors. It's just not done. They follow the chain of command.

Marines, like any soldier, are expected to question unlawful orders. If anything, Mueller’s strict adherence to regulation and protocol is what will save the integrity of his investigation.

 

[drifter106]

Serious question. An independent investigator has compiled evidence that the president has committed multiple felonies.

How do you feel about that?

Give him a number and tell him to get in line....

As I have pointed to in other threads...he is innocent until proven guilty. I would like to know what evidence shows that he has committed multiple felonies. If he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he should be prosecuted after he leaves office. Nail his ass if that is the case. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!

 

[fskimospy]

Give him a number and tell him to get in line....

As I have pointed to in other threads...he is innocent until proven guilty. I would like to know what evidence shows that he has committed multiple felonies. If he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he should be prosecuted after he leaves office. Nail his ass if that is the case. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!

Great news. The country hired a special prosecutor that did exactly that.

How do you feel now.

 

[HomerJS]

Case in point...in America it is NOT the job of a prosecutor to exonerate people. They charge people or they do not. In America, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. By listening to the Party of Evil, that doesn't seem to exist in this case. This was Mueller's "James Comey" moment. Making allegations against President Trump but not charging him with anything. Comey did the same thing with the Beast a.k.a. Hillary.

Mueller gave a 400 page report, if the report wasn't good enough and he had to speak today, why not change the report? Mueller's use of these tactics is nothing but an abuse of the legal system in America.

Somewhere along the lines he has turned into a zealot....not good for the country.

You clearly weren't listening to what Mueller said today. He stated the OLC guideline prevented him from charging a sitting President so that was not considered. However there are other bodies who need this information compiled so they can followup.

Options: Congress: Impeachment inquiry
Prosecutors: Indict the minute Trump becomes a private citizen.

That was not hard to comprehend.

 

[drifter106]

Great news. The country hired a special prosecutor that did exactly that.

How do you feel now.

Like I did before I read your post....