MT tests 2011 Mustang GT vs 2010 M3

[AMCRambler]

I think Jules makes a pretty good point(can't believe I'd ever find myself saying that!).

All the things that used to qualify BMW's and Merc's as luxury 5-10 years ago are now standard on many cars. It begs the question then, what makes BMW or Mercedes luxury now? The computer controlled variable rate suspension? Heated seats? Direct injection maybe? iDrive or whatever that stupid ass BMW computer thing is?

The line between luxury and standard equipment is rapidly growing thinner I think and the BMW fans don't like to admit that the extra $25 grand they spend on an M3 vs buying a Mustang isn't buying them as much any more. Used to be you went out and bought an M3 and a Mustang or a Camaro was no match performance wise. Plus you had all your luxury options like a cd changer, leather seats, moon roof, navigation and so on. BMW could charge you a premium for it and you would pay for it. That list of extras is a lot shorter nowadays.

Maybe it's just that companies like BMW and Merc are running out of mechanical and technological innovations to set their cars apart from your run of the mill Ford Mustangs and Chevy Camaros. Or maybe it's that they're just not trying anymore because they can still sell cars for the prices they've always charged and cut back on R&D because people will still buy them. Who knows?

 

[AMCRambler]

The other thing that still cracks me up as how everyone here is slapping Ford on the back saying way to go, you finally beat the BMW M3. GM's 2005 Pontiac GTO did that 6 years ago.

Yeah, yeah, Holden built it. Whatever...took Ford long enough to catch up.

 

[KIAman]

Wow, WTF are you all PMSing about? It must be that time of the month, you'all sound like a bunch of whiney teenage girls. Let me lay down some facts and let ye judge them.

1. People are the idiots, does not reflect on the car they drive
2. People like to be stoplight warriors, does not reflect on the car they drive
3. People like to overcompensate, does not reflect on the car they drive
4. People like to "look" good, does not reflect on the car they drive
5. People get jealous, does not reflect on the car they drive

There's a common thread here... it's the people, not the cars.

And the final fact of the day is...

If everyone in this thread had a hundreds of millions of dollars in disposable cash, they would buy a hyper-expensive exotic car that can perform less than a souped up $30,000 car in a heartbeat, DON'T FUCKIN DENY IT ASSHOLES!

Some people have money and want a car that costs money to maintain their overall image of money, just like they buy their homes, just like the restaraunts they frequent, just like what activities they partake, just like what group of friends they maintain.

As to the OP, GG to the mustang, I am very impressed but I would get myself the M3 if I were seriously considering a car in that price range over the mustang because if I were seriously considering a car in that price range, I could care less of the $30,000 I save anyways.

Edit: Fixed spelling. Was in a rush to type this before my meeting.

 

[griffinol]

I totally agree with KIAman. Case in point. My friend used to own a 2000 Mustang GT. He would brag all day about how cheap he got it and how it would smoke my BMW.

Now that he makes a better money, he drives a Mercedes. He rarely talks about his Mustang at all now, and raves all day about the Mercedes.

But definitely if you can't afford the M3, that Mustang is a bang for your buck deal.

 

[Tristicus]

Wow, WTF are you all PMSing about? It must be that time of the month, you'all sound like a bunch of whiney teenage girls. Let me lay down some facts and let ye judge them.

1. People are the idiots, does not reflect on the car they drive
2. People like to be stoplight warriors, does not reflect on the car they drive
3. People like to overcompensate, does not reflect on the cars they drive
4. People like to "look" good, does not reflect on the cars they drive
5. People get jealous, does not reflect on the cars they drive

There's a common thread here... it's the people, not the cars.

And the final fact of the day is...

If everyone in this thread had a hundreds of millions of dollars in disposable cash, they would buy a hyper-expensive exotic car that can perform less than a souped up $30,000 car in a heartbeat, DON'T FUCKIN DENY IT ASSHOLES!

Some people have money and want a car that costs money to maintain their overall image of money, just like they buy their homes, just like the resteraunts they frequent, just like what activities they partake, just like what group of friends they maintain.

As to the OP, GG to the mustang, I am very impressed but I would get myself the M3 if I were seriously considering a car in that price range over the mustang because if I were seriously considering a car in tha price range, I could care less of the $30,000k I save anyways.

umad?

 

[MJinZ]

Wow, WTF are you all PMSing about? It must be that time of the month, you'all sound like a bunch of whiney teenage girls. Let me lay down some facts and let ye judge them.

1. People are the idiots, does not reflect on the car they drive
2. People like to be stoplight warriors, does not reflect on the car they drive
3. People like to overcompensate, does not reflect on the car they drive
4. People like to "look" good, does not reflect on the car they drive
5. People get jealous, does not reflect on the car they drive

There's a common thread here... it's the people, not the cars.

And the final fact of the day is...

If everyone in this thread had a hundreds of millions of dollars in disposable cash, they would buy a hyper-expensive exotic car that can perform less than a souped up $30,000 car in a heartbeat, DON'T FUCKIN DENY IT ASSHOLES!

Some people have money and want a car that costs money to maintain their overall image of money, just like they buy their homes, just like the restaraunts they frequent, just like what activities they partake, just like what group of friends they maintain.

As to the OP, GG to the mustang, I am very impressed but I would get myself the M3 if I were seriously considering a car in that price range over the mustang because if I were seriously considering a car in that price range, I could care less of the $30,000 I save anyways.

Edit: Fixed spelling. Was in a rush to type this before my meeting.

Indeed.

And for all you anti-image-whores (or whatever), please walk around commando in pink underwear because your image does not matter at all! :awe:

 

[PricklyPete]

Indeed.

And for all you anti-image-whores (or whatever), please walk around commando in pink underwear because your image does not matter at all! :awe:

You mean my pink thong is not normal? I thought all BMW owners wear them. Shit...I was misinformed.

 

[MJinZ]

You mean my pink thong is not normal? I thought all BMW owners wear them. Shit...I was misinformed.

It aint normal man, not even close. BMW owners wear fuscia thongs.

^ First image from Google Images. Do not blame me.

 

[PricklyPete]

It aint normal man, not even close. BMW owners wear fuscia thongs.

^ First image from Google Images. Do not blame me.

Crap...I have not lived up to the Internet standards of cool. I'm depressed.

 

[PricklyPete]

It has not been a good day for the M3:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/25/report-bmw-m3-gts-posts-somewhat-lackluster-ring-time/

 

[MJinZ]

It has not been a good day for the M3:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/25/report-bmw-m3-gts-posts-somewhat-lackluster-ring-time/

$170k!??

Lexus LF-A, here I come. Just need a loan for the additional $80k.

For some reason, it feels more right to pay for a $250K Lexus than a $170K 3 series...

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Wow, WTF are you all PMSing about? It must be that time of the month, you'all sound like a bunch of whiney teenage girls. Let me lay down some facts and let ye judge them.

1. People are the idiots, does not reflect on the car they drive
2. People like to be stoplight warriors, does not reflect on the car they drive
3. People like to overcompensate, does not reflect on the car they drive
4. People like to "look" good, does not reflect on the car they drive
5. People get jealous, does not reflect on the car they drive

There's a common thread here... it's the people, not the cars.

And the final fact of the day is...

If everyone in this thread had a hundreds of millions of dollars in disposable cash, they would buy a hyper-expensive exotic car that can perform less than a souped up $30,000 car in a heartbeat, DON'T FUCKIN DENY IT ASSHOLES!

Some people have money and want a car that costs money to maintain their overall image of money, just like they buy their homes, just like the restaraunts they frequent, just like what activities they partake, just like what group of friends they maintain.

As to the OP, GG to the mustang, I am very impressed but I would get myself the M3 if I were seriously considering a car in that price range over the mustang because if I were seriously considering a car in that price range, I could care less of the $30,000 I save anyways.

Edit: Fixed spelling. Was in a rush to type this before my meeting.

Duh? Lol

Though id pick up an RS5

 

[LTC8K6]

GM's 2005 Pontiac GTO did that 6 years ago.

Neat trick, beating a 2010 M3 in 2005...

 

[LTC8K6]

2005 Mustang GT is all over the 2005 GTO like a cheap suit. The GT won the comparo.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...gto_vs._2005_ford_mustang_gt-comparison_tests

 

[PricklyPete]

$170k!??

Lexus LF-A, here I come. Just need a loan for the additional $80k.

For some reason, it feels more right to pay for a $250K Lexus than a $170K 3 series...

Yeah...the 110K+ premium the M3 GTS has over the M3 seems a bit ridiculous. The 400 less pounds is pretty sweet, but it is still being smacked by the GT-R.

I don't know if I could ever pay that much money for the Lexus...even if I do think it is a neat car.

I hate to see the NA, high revving engines go, but turbocharging is definitely the way the M division will have to go to compete with the likes of the Mustang and whatnot matching their performance. It will be interesting to see the next M3 power plant. I know the turbocharged V8 in the X6M was amazing. It sounded awesome and was unbelievably responsive for a ridiculously heavy car. Something like that is what should be in a 170K M3 GTS.

 

[overst33r]

The other thing that still cracks me up as how everyone here is slapping Ford on the back saying way to go, you finally beat the BMW M3. GM's 2005 Pontiac GTO did that 6 years ago.

Yeah, yeah, Holden built it. Whatever...took Ford long enough to catch up.

The only thing the GTO has going for it is the engine. If you drive a GTO and an M3 and you will understand why the GTO is an elephant in comparison. Everything is numb compared to the M3.

Not saying the GTO is a bad car, it's just not as good as an E46 M3. Anyone who argues otherwise hasn't driven both of them in anything but a straight line.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Wow, WTF are you all PMSing about? It must be that time of the month, you'all sound like a bunch of whiney teenage girls. Let me lay down some facts and let ye judge them.

1. People are the idiots, does not reflect on the car they drive
2. People like to be stoplight warriors, does not reflect on the car they drive
3. People like to overcompensate, does not reflect on the car they drive
4. People like to "look" good, does not reflect on the car they drive
5. People get jealous, does not reflect on the car they drive

There's a common thread here... it's the people, not the cars.

And the final fact of the day is...

If everyone in this thread had a hundreds of millions of dollars in disposable cash, they would buy a hyper-expensive exotic car that can perform less than a souped up $30,000 car in a heartbeat, DON'T FUCKIN DENY IT ASSHOLES!

Some people have money and want a car that costs money to maintain their overall image of money, just like they buy their homes, just like the restaraunts they frequent, just like what activities they partake, just like what group of friends they maintain.

As to the OP, GG to the mustang, I am very impressed but I would get myself the M3 if I were seriously considering a car in that price range over the mustang because if I were seriously considering a car in that price range, I could care less of the $30,000 I save anyways.

Edit: Fixed spelling. Was in a rush to type this before my meeting.

Grrrrr!!!

 

[exdeath]

There's a common thread here... it's the people, not the cars.

Of course we all know that, but we also know those kinds of people congregate towards certain cars.

Case in point, prime example that I'm sure everyone here has experienced: If there are 15 cars behind me in traffic at night and only 1 of them has bright purple HIDs and or fogs, I can gaurantee you with over 100% certainty that if *any* single one of them are going to be weaving and bobbing and speeding through traffic to try and catch up and start something, it's going to be the one with HIDs *every* *single* *time*. And it usually ends up being a brand new BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, Infinity, etc. type of brand whore car already tricked out and lowered on aftermarket bling wheels and limo tinted windows before the temp plates even came off.

And what are they going through all that trouble for? To show up and out accelerate 300 HP Mustangs in a straight line with their more expensive faster 400 HP car. :awe:

 

[exdeath]

The other thing that still cracks me up as how everyone here is slapping Ford on the back saying way to go, you finally beat the BMW M3.

What I don't get is, beat it at what? You could build up a Mustang of any year (or get a 03/04 cobra or '00 R, etc) and beat an M3 easily in raw performance whether it's corners or straights.

That's not the point. The point of the M3 is balance. Good handling, not the best. Good performance, better than econo boxes and family sedans, but still not the fastest. Good interior, not the sportiest, not the most luxurious. Good suspension for the track, but not too harsh for the street. Jack of all trades master of none. In a video game an M3 should have all it's attribute bars at 50% all the way down from top to bottom.

And in that regard a Mustang will never "beat" a M3, regardless if it can hand it it's ass on the track. That's not it's market, and if they tried to make it so, they would lose alot of die hard Mustang fans and hardcore car enthusists. Mustang buyers (at least the V8/Cobra/Boss/etc buyers) don't care about bluetooth, automatic sunroofs, parking cameras, navigation, and self dimming mirrors. They just want a steering wheel, a stick, and 3 pedals, power steering, disc brakes, AC. That's it. And thet most definately do not want a gay plastic panel covering the entire engine compartment.

 

[zerocool84]

I totally agree with KIAman. Case in point. My friend used to own a 2000 Mustang GT. He would brag all day about how cheap he got it and how it would smoke my BMW.

Now that he makes a better money, he drives a Mercedes. He rarely talks about his Mustang at all now, and raves all day about the Mercedes.

But definitely if you can't afford the M3, that Mustang is a bang for your buck deal.

Yup many people forget that luxury cars still have merit and there is a reason why they cost so much more. People who can afford it will have a luxury car to relax and feel good in and then they can have their fast uncomfortable car to drive on the weekends. People here don't think that a luxury car is worth it but obviously to millions of people it is worth it. I love sitting in my friend's 09 CL550. It's sweet ride and super comfortable but people here are saying there is hardly a difference between a Mustang and a luxury car. I guess people don't sit in many expensive luxury cars.

 

[PricklyPete]

They just want a steering wheel, a stick, and 3 pedals, power steering, disc brakes, AC. That's it. And the definately do not want a gay plastic panel covering the entire engine compartment.

AC...who wants AC...AC robs performance! :awe:

I TOTALLY agree on the engine covers. I want to see that engine damn't. Prude...

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

IMHO the Taurus SHO is a fantastic car. My friend almost picked it over an A4 Premium Plus Quattro but decided he didn't want that big of a car.

It feels 99.9% the same as any midsize german lux car, E class, 5 series, A6. No joke, fantastic engineering.

i thought indian people only bought toyota camrys.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Lastly, if you want to get pissy about it, I can guarantee that with $25K you can make the Mustang more luxurious, more tech laden, and perform even better.

And still no where near as refined.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i'll take an is-f over both. mustang and m3 owners are losers in my book =\

can't drive stick eh?
IS-F instantly is off the list for this reason alone.

 

[sdifox]

can't drive stick eh?
IS-F instantly is off the list for this reason alone.

don't worry, he won't qualify. Toyota is only leasing it to select clientèle.