MT: 2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia

[overst33r]

http://www.motortrend.com/road...uderia_test/index.html

503hp
347lb of tq

0-60mph 3.1sec

0-100mph 7.1 sec

1/4mi 11.2sec @ 126.7mph

Wow... That active differential, adjustable suspension, gearbox really work wonders. ZR1 watch out.

 

[Apex]

Epic car. I can't wait to hear one.

 

[fstime]

Wow that review was very well written, it was full of neat and complicated information that enthusiasts like to read about; they really got into detail with the cars technology.

Thats a lot of power for being under 3000 lbs.

But perhaps the most significant technology transfer from F1 to the 430 Scuderia is the F1-Trac traction/stability control system, which for the first time on a road car also has authority over the electronically controlled E-Diff2 wet-clutch limited-slip differential. Put simply, this system is designed so that in the Manettino's "Race" mode, any driver should be able to approach the apex of any turn and simply flat-foot the throttle and steer through letting the electronics modulate brake pressures, engine torque, and differential lockup. The electronic processor time is so fast that you're never aware of any brake pulsations or electronic jiggery-pokery, you just feel like a pro shoe motoring out of every bend. That faster processor also controls the anti-lock brakes and shares credit with the larger front carbon-ceramic brakes for trimming the F430's already impressive braking distances by around eight percent to 93 ft from 60 mph and 255 ft from 100. Initial brake bite also is considerably improved from the F430's, allowing deeper braking points on corner entry. Check out our Fiorano circuit graphic to see where each of the above improvements help the 430 Scuderia catch the mighty Enzo.

Amazing

 

[GTaudiophile]

Clarkson drives one this Sunday...so I have heard...

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Clarkson drives one this Sunday...so I have heard...

Also drives a GT-R... that should be a neat comparison.

EDIT: Never mind, I think that's another episode.

 

[Tommouse]

Awesome article. Very detailed. I can't wait until I get to watch some reviews on it. Hopefully GT is right and it will be this Sunday

 

[Saga]

While I admit I love exotics as much as the next guy, there is simply something about cars that are unrealistic for most people to actually own and have any fun with that makes it extremely difficult for me to get excited over them.

 

[Fenixgoon]

jesus, that's one hell of a car

 

[Dr. Detroit]

$272K :brokenheart:

Thats a lot of coin!

 

[Connoisseur]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.motortrend.com/road...uderia_test/index.html

503hp
347lb of tq

0-60mph 3.1sec

0-100mph 7.1 sec

1/4mi 11.2sec @ 126.7mph

Wow... That active differential, adjustable suspension, gearbox really work wonders. ZR1 watch out.

isn't the ZR1 around 100k? I mean I know they might be competing in the same space but damn... you could afford 2 ZR1's and have enough money left for gas for the lifetime of the vehicle...

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: Connoisseur

Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.motortrend.com/road...uderia_test/index.html

503hp
347lb of tq

0-60mph 3.1sec

0-100mph 7.1 sec

1/4mi 11.2sec @ 126.7mph

Wow... That active differential, adjustable suspension, gearbox really work wonders. ZR1 watch out.

isn't the ZR1 around 100k? I mean I know they might be competing in the same space but damn... you could afford 2 ZR1's and have enough money left for gas for the lifetime of the vehicle...

But only one of them is a Ferrari. The ZR1 still looks like the next guy's 40k base model. They're aimed at two different markets. I love 'em both, but only have a realistic shot at owning one (and the base model at that!)

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: Izusaga
While I admit I love exotics as much as the next guy, there is simply something about cars that are unrealistic for most people to actually own and have any fun with that makes it extremely difficult for me to get excited over them.

Agree completely. The current median cost of a house in the US is 202k. For the price of the Ferrari, I can pretty much buy a house and a Z06. It's hard to get excited about something so that is so expensive, and quite honestly not worth the money.

But only one of them is a Ferrari.

And that's it in a nutshell. You're not paying the xx% markup just for the name with the Corvette, which makes it more realistically attainable. Granted, $100k is out of range for the vast majority of people, but there is a far larger percentage of the population that could afford one compared to the Ferrari, especially when considering vehicle depreciation in a couple of years for the used market.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Clarkson drives one this Sunday...so I have heard...

Also drives a GT-R... that should be a neat comparison.

EDIT: Never mind, I think that's another episode.

Wait... so which one is it. I originally thought he was going to drive the Scuderia for the 1st episode which made me really giddy. But then I read somewhere else that the GT-R and the bullet train were on the 1st ep? Not that I'm complaining, but two of them in one episode would make me giddy x 2.

 

[PricklyPete]

"...despite its fire-sale $272,306 price..."

I hope they were being sarcastic....

I realize that other Ferrari's like the the Enzo and 599 are way more to somewhat more expensive...but I've never heard a quarter of a million dollars being associated with a fire-sale...

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete
"...despite its fire-sale $272,306 price..."

I hope they were being sarcastic....

I realize that other Ferrari's like the the Enzo and 599 are way more to somewhat more expensive...but I've never heard a quarter of a million dollars being associated with a fire-sale...

Must be the depreciating dollar.

 

[MBrown]

I don't really now the power figures of other exotics but isn't the torque kind of low for 501hp? The z06 makes 505hp and 475lb-ft.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: MBrown
I don't really now the power figures of other exotics but isn't the torque kind of low for 501hp? The z06 makes 505hp and 475lb-ft.

Torque has a consistent mathematical relationship to horsepower based on RPMs:

HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252

For this reason, smaller, higher-revving engines like the Scuderia's (or VTEC-equipped Honda engines, among many others) which rev far over 5,252 RPM have relatively lower torque per horsepower than big, lower-revving engines like American V8s, which don't.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: MBrown
I don't really now the power figures of other exotics but isn't the torque kind of low for 501hp? The z06 makes 505hp and 475lb-ft.

The BMW M5 V10 is very similar, it's a characteristic I see in very high-revving V8s and V10s. This motor starts its redline area at 8500rpm, which is nuts for a 10 cylinder car. Actual shift limit might be something around 9000rpm. Anyway, it's more of a formula-style setup, and in the hands of an expert, is probably a good match for this type of vehicle.

I'm not so sure the M5 V10 was a good match though, being a heavier vehicle. The previous E39 M5 that I had with the V8 actually had more torque, and there wasn't a significant performance difference between the two gens.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: MBrown
I don't really now the power figures of other exotics but isn't the torque kind of low for 501hp? The z06 makes 505hp and 475lb-ft.

The BMW M5 V10 is very similar, it's a characteristic I see in very high-revving V8s and V10s. This motor starts its redline area at 8500rpm, which is nuts for a 10 cylinder car. Actual shift limit might be something around 9000rpm. Anyway, it's more of a formula-style setup, and in the hands of an expert, is probably a good match for this type of vehicle.

I'm not so sure the M5 V10 was a good match though, being a heavier vehicle. The previous E39 M5 that I had with the V8 actually had more torque, and there wasn't a significant performance difference between the two gens.

The stock redline is actually 8250 RPM on the BMW V10. Most aftermarket software tunes bump it up to 8400 to 8500 RPM.

For what its worth, the E39 M5 has less torque (369 lb/ft) than the E60 M5 (383 lb/ft). It's the low peak (3800 RPM vs 6100 RPM) that made it feel like it had more.

 

[Arkaign]

Ya Apex, I was talking of the 8500 redline on the new F430, not the M5

Didn't know that about the lower torque, but it sure felt nice

 

[dug777]

beautiful

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: Izusaga
While I admit I love exotics as much as the next guy, there is simply something about cars that are unrealistic for most people to actually own and have any fun with that makes it extremely difficult for me to get excited over them.

Agree completely. The current median cost of a house in the US is 202k. For the price of the Ferrari, I can pretty much buy a house and a Z06. It's hard to get excited about something so that is so expensive, and quite honestly not worth the money.

But only one of them is a Ferrari.

And that's it in a nutshell. You're not paying the xx% markup just for the name with the Corvette, which makes it more realistically attainable. Granted, $100k is out of range for the vast majority of people, but there is a far larger percentage of the population that could afford one compared to the Ferrari, especially when considering vehicle depreciation in a couple of years for the used market.

From what I understand, Ferraris hold their value pretty well since there is not many and the demand is much higher than the supply. Just try pricing one.

 

[RichUK]

That is an immense car! It looks gorgeous. I can?t wait to hear what it sounds like.

Damn, I should really think about changing over to contracting in my line of work. That way I could afford the car in little over a year and half.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: Izusaga
While I admit I love exotics as much as the next guy, there is simply something about cars that are unrealistic for most people to actually own and have any fun with that makes it extremely difficult for me to get excited over them.

Agree completely. The current median cost of a house in the US is 202k. For the price of the Ferrari, I can pretty much buy a house and a Z06. It's hard to get excited about something so that is so expensive, and quite honestly not worth the money.

But only one of them is a Ferrari.

And that's it in a nutshell. You're not paying the xx% markup just for the name with the Corvette, which makes it more realistically attainable. Granted, $100k is out of range for the vast majority of people, but there is a far larger percentage of the population that could afford one compared to the Ferrari, especially when considering vehicle depreciation in a couple of years for the used market.

From what I understand, Ferraris hold their value pretty well since there is not many and the demand is much higher than the supply. Just try pricing one.

I was talking about the Corvette dropping in value, making the already more "affordable" car attainable by a much larger audience.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: Izusaga
While I admit I love exotics as much as the next guy, there is simply something about cars that are unrealistic for most people to actually own and have any fun with that makes it extremely difficult for me to get excited over them.

Agree completely. The current median cost of a house in the US is 202k. For the price of the Ferrari, I can pretty much buy a house and a Z06. It's hard to get excited about something so that is so expensive, and quite honestly not worth the money.

But only one of them is a Ferrari.

And that's it in a nutshell. You're not paying the xx% markup just for the name with the Corvette, which makes it more realistically attainable. Granted, $100k is out of range for the vast majority of people, but there is a far larger percentage of the population that could afford one compared to the Ferrari, especially when considering vehicle depreciation in a couple of years for the used market.

From what I understand, Ferraris hold their value pretty well since there is not many and the demand is much higher than the supply. Just try pricing one.

I was talking about the Corvette dropping in value, making the already more "affordable" car attainable by a much larger audience.

The Corvette retains its value far better than most any American made vehicles if you don't factor in the current inflation mess.