MSNBC's version of Bill O'Reilly...

bamacre

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Earlier this week, I caught a clip of O'Donnell interviewing Peter Schiff on MSNBC...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJvO9Y_4QbY

It wasn't an interview, I thought it was a hit piece, but tonight browsing HuffPo, I see this...
(Ignore the article for now, just watch the embedded clip)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-exposes_n_260177.html

What is this guy's problem? His whole spiel is nothing more than asking loaded questions, and then interrupting as soon as he fails to dig up the answer he wants. And of course it's followed by straw man to make it look like he's "won" the argument and made some kind of valid point. And shame on HuffPo for the article which not only doesn't criticize O'Donnell for his complete lack of interviewing skills, but actually puts him on a pedestal for "showing the hypocrisy" of the Republicans.
 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Earlier this week, I caught a clip of O'Donnell interviewing Peter Schiff on MSNBC...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJvO9Y_4QbY

It wasn't an interview, I thought it was a hit piece, but tonight browsing HuffPo, I see this...
(Ignore the article for now, just watch the embedded clip)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-exposes_n_260177.html

What is this guy's problem? His whole spiel is nothing more than asking loaded questions, and then interrupting as soon as he fails to dig up the answer he wants. And of course it's followed by straw man to make it look like he's "won" the argument and made some kind of valid point. And shame on HuffPo for the article which not only doesn't criticize O'Donnell for his complete lack of interviewing skills, but actually puts him on a pedestal for "showing the hypocrisy" of the Republicans.

I could only make it through half the video, he's a total douche; but he is right about the inconsistency of criticizing UHC as socialism while maintaining Social Security and Medicare, both of which are absolutely socialist programs.

But yeah, instead of making the point in a professional and interesting way, he just gets into a shouting match.
 

fskimospy

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You guys know as well as I do that the oldest trick in a politician's playbook is to not answer the question you are asked, but the question you wish you were asked. The congressman who was interviewed quite clearly didn't want to explore why he supports social security/medicare and then complains about government run medicine. I definitely wish our good friend Lawrence hadn't been so O'Reilly-esque about the whole thing however.

When you think about it though, normally during these sorts of interviews the interviewer will ask the same question twice, and then give up when the politician ignores it. I'm glad he kept pushing until he forced the Congressman to say he would have voted for Social Security and Medicare. (of course he had to say that, he would be booted out of office in an instant otherwise) Looks like we're all socialists now, eh?
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
You guys know as well as I do that the oldest trick in a politician's playbook is to not answer the question you are asked, but the question you wish you were asked. The congressman who was interviewed quite clearly didn't want to explore why he supports social security/medicare and then complains about government run medicine. I definitely wish our good friend Lawrence hadn't been so O'Reilly-esque about the whole thing however.

When you think about it though, normally during these sorts of interviews the interviewer will ask the same question twice, and then give up when the politician ignores it. I'm glad he kept pushing until he forced the Congressman to say he would have voted for Social Security and Medicare. (of course he had to say that, he would be booted out of office in an instant otherwise) Looks like we're all socialists now, eh?

Just an FYI, Peter Schiff isn't in any form of govt yet. Although he is running for Senate in 2010 against Chris Dodd. So the interviewer was way off base and never really let him answer. O'Reilly does it all the time as well, but this was really over the top.
 

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Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You guys know as well as I do that the oldest trick in a politician's playbook is to not answer the question you are asked, but the question you wish you were asked. The congressman who was interviewed quite clearly didn't want to explore why he supports social security/medicare and then complains about government run medicine. I definitely wish our good friend Lawrence hadn't been so O'Reilly-esque about the whole thing however.

When you think about it though, normally during these sorts of interviews the interviewer will ask the same question twice, and then give up when the politician ignores it. I'm glad he kept pushing until he forced the Congressman to say he would have voted for Social Security and Medicare. (of course he had to say that, he would be booted out of office in an instant otherwise) Looks like we're all socialists now, eh?

Just an FYI, Peter Schiff isn't in any form of govt yet. Although he is running for Senate in 2010 against Chris Dodd. So the interviewer was way off base and never really let him answer. O'Reilly does it all the time as well, but this was really over the top.

Oops, thought you were referring to the MSNBC interview, not the HuffPo link. My bad.:beer:
 

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Wow, I need to start watching MSNBC. Two fantastic interviews exposing first a Kook and a hypocrite.

I did learn though that if we lived in caves we would have lower taxes and less government waste.
 

cubby1223

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Just remember how much $$ General Electric, owner of MSNBC, is receiving from the Obama Administration through the "stimulus" bill - of course their goal now is to destroy the GOP by all possible means, whether honest or dirty.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Just remember how much $$ General Electric, owner of MSNBC, is receiving from the Obama Administration through the "stimulus" bill - of course their goal now is to destroy the GOP by all possible means, whether honest or dirty.

Watching a bit too much O'Reilly I see.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wow, I need to start watching MSNBC. Two fantastic interviews exposing first a Kook and a hypocrite.

I did learn though that if we lived in caves we would have lower taxes and less government waste.
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Wrong message to take away Moonbeam, the problem with those that live in caves is that they live in their own Toxic wastes, and then you have to wait for the cave to flood
before the toilet get flushed.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wow, I need to start watching MSNBC. Two fantastic interviews exposing first a Kook and a hypocrite.

I did learn though that if we lived in caves we would have lower taxes and less government waste.
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Wrong message to take away Moonbeam, the problem with those that live in caves is that they live in their own Toxic wastes, and then you have to wait for the cave to flood
before the toilet get flushed.

Like O'Donnell, Moonbeam hears only what he wants. Moonbeam's deeply buried feelings of self-hatred and worthlessness won't allow him to hear anything else.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: bamacre

Topic Title: MSNBC's version of Bill O'Reilly...
Topic Summary: Lawrence O'Donnell... and why he's a douche.

Thanks for acknowledging that O'Reilly's a douche. :laugh:

One major difference is that O'Donnell has truth and reality on his side.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Just remember how much $$ General Electric, owner of MSNBC, is receiving from the Obama Administration through the "stimulus" bill - of course their goal now is to destroy the GOP by all possible means, whether honest or dirty.

Watching a bit too much O'Reilly I see.

I have to say O'Reilly is a lot more impartial than this MSNBC clown is.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: bamacre

Topic Title: MSNBC's version of Bill O'Reilly...
Topic Summary: Lawrence O'Donnell... and why he's a douche.

Thanks for acknowledging that O'Reilly's a douche. :laugh:

One major difference is that O'Donnell has truth and reality on his side.

If Harvey says it's based on truth & reality, then one thing I know for darn sure that it's not based on truth or reality ;)
 

cubby1223

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Really, though, does this O'Donnell guy really mean anything? Does anyone other than strict partisan hacks ever seriously watch MSNBC's nightly lineup?

Say anything you want about Fox News, whenever I check out what MSNBC is discussing, the logic they use is always a joke, no person with even half a brain should ever be persuaded by them. Their argument is usually along the lines of (and fill in the blanks for whatever situation is the current hot topic):
"Democrat ______ says the government plan for ______ is good, therefore Republicans hate America and must be voted out of office. Let me bring in fellow progressive ______, author of the book 'Why Republicans are ______' and whom agrees with me 100%, for further insight." :laugh:
 

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MSNBC is generally terrible, though their web site is fantastic. Bar none the best. Their hard news is fine, most of their commentators are just dreadful. Not what they say as much as who gets on their programs (lefty puppets universally, almost no disagreements in their interviews). At least Fox will bring on a Dem/lib every now and then to disagree, and despite it leading to predictable and counterproductive shout-downs from whichever conservative Fox commentator is doing the shouting, at least it was entertaining. Er, yeah.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: cubby1223

If Harvey says it's based on truth & reality, then one thing I know for darn sure that it's not based on truth or reality ;)

Thanks for the winky. If you were serious, I'd say you'd better be prepared to prove that. :)

Getting back to the reality behind MS-NBC versus Faux, WTF is anyone doing believing any of it from any source without doing their own fact checking? :roll:
 

Lemon law

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The problem with the cubby1223 argument is that he somewhat tries to assert that the GOP gets voted out of office because of douche bags like O'Donnell and not enough douche bags like O'Reilly, when the facts are and remain, the GOP forgot to deliver good governance.
No douche bags on the right or left needed to point out what no one can miss.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wow, I need to start watching MSNBC. Two fantastic interviews exposing first a Kook and a hypocrite.

I did learn though that if we lived in caves we would have lower taxes and less government waste.
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Wrong message to take away Moonbeam, the problem with those that live in caves is that they live in their own Toxic wastes, and then you have to wait for the cave to flood
before the toilet get flushed.

Like O'Donnell, Moonbeam hears only what he wants. Moonbeam's deeply buried feelings of self-hatred and worthlessness won't allow him to hear anything else.

How so? I saw two people who wouldn't answer questions. I don't think my self hate got involved. Why didn't they just answer the questions directly with a yes or no? It looked to me like they were terrified that if they answered truthfully like they finally did that they might lose some votes. They looked like a couple of dissembling swine trying to get or stay elected. Sad really. Jut tell it like it is. Have faith in the voter, right? They could be like me, honest.