MSI Twin Frozr III GTX680 info

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Cookie Monster

Cookie Monster

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Because it uses the twin frozr cooling designed by MSI? and normally these cards use reference boards with custom cooling?

What your looking for is the lightning series cards from MSI :p
 
chimaxi83

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Twin Frozr cards are normally custom PCBs. Military components, upgraded capacitors, more power phases, you know, what makes a TF a TF. I've owned 2, and I know the difference between them and Lightning ;)

Other than the solid caps they mention in the slides, looks like all they're doing is slapping the cooler on it and calling it a day.
 
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bunnyfubbles

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probably a couple things going on here

1. the reference design is already extremely good

2. nVidia might not be giving partners as much free reign to push the 680 all too high in order to protect the future release of GK110

3. the 680 might already be seeing most of its potential with the current reference design and might hit a wall regardless of how much further things are pushed with extra components and cooling outside of sub zero

At any rate I largely agree with Cookie Monster, the TwinFrozr branded model has mostly been about the cooler with the Lightning more about the overkill OC parts.
 
toyota

toyota

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bunnyfubbles said:
probably a couple things going on here

1. the reference design is already extremely good

2. nVidia might not be giving partners as much free reign to push the 680 all too high in order to protect the future release of GK110

3. the 680 might already be seeing most of its potential with the current reference design and might hit a wall regardless of how much further things are pushed with extra components and cooling outside of sub zero

At any rate I largely agree with Cookie Monster, the TwinFrozr branded model has mostly been about the cooler with the Lightning more about the overkill OC parts.
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not sure why you would say that when there are already cards now and coming up with higher clocks and 8/6 pin and even 8/8 pin setups.
 
Grooveriding

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toyota said:
not sure why you would say that when there are already cards now and coming up with higher clocks and 8/6 pin and even 8/8 pin setups.
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http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1531283

Signature cards in just a few weeks now.

Yes, extra power phases and 8+6pin power should allow higher OC, but just how much we are still testing.

Unfortunately the voltage limit/ceiling cannot be raised.
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On my motherboard I can plug in an additional 8pin and 4pin connectors to feed more power to my CPU. For some reason it just doesn't clock any higher until I give it more voltage though :awe:

I guess there is some additional OC potential that can be realized by giving more available power ? I can't see it though, and it is probably very little. I'd assume the custom cards will have their chips binned to provide better clocks ?

There are ways to increase the voltage to these cards, and I'm sure a custom card can be made that will do this, but I don't think we will see cards with direct control of the voltage. More likely cards that just have it raised and locked in, like we have seen modders like Kingpin do to the card.

One of mine does 1300 with a 200 offset and the second couldn't get past 1235, but after putting them on water-cooling, the second one now does 1300 stable as well ? :confused: No additional voltage obviously, just lower temperatures. But my temperatures on air were good as well, never going over 70C. Maybe better cooling can change how they behave as well. Maybe it was a memory issue though, when I took one of them apart there were no thermal pads on the memory ICs.. lol.
 
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toyota

toyota

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Grooveriding said:
http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1531283

On my motherboard I can plug in an additional 8pin and 4pin connectors to feed more power to my CPU. For some reason it just doesn't clock any higher until I give it more voltage though :awe:

I guess there is some additional OC potential that can be realized by giving more available power ? I can't see it though, and it is probably very little. I'd assume the custom cards will have their chips binned to provide better clocks ?

There are ways to increase the voltage to these cards, and I'm sure a custom card can be made that will do this, but I don't think we will see cards with direct control of the voltage. More likely cards that just have it raised and locked in, like we have seen modders like Kingpin do to the card.
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just because it cant be raised on that Signature series does not mean other models will not have higher capabilities. there are some cards from Galaxy, Zotac, and Palit that will be able to clock really high and likely have higher voltage.

here is just one example. http://videocardz.com/31645/zotac-geforce-gtx-680-extreme-edition-features-1-2ghz-clock

"Card has been factory-overclocked to 1.2GHz, which is 204MHz more than reference model. That’s slightly lower than expected 2GHz.. Additionally memory clock was not changed and remains at 1.5GHz. But what makes this card so special? Well, according to ZOTAC, this card is capable of delivering up to 1.5V to core (default 1.212V). What is more interesting, EXPreview have easily reached a core clock of 1.4GHz".


so again Nvidia is NOT holding back card makers because of GK110.
 
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Grooveriding

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toyota said:
just because it cant be raised on that Signature series does not mean other models will not have higher capabilities. there are some cards from Galaxy, Zotac, and Palit that will be able to clock really high and likely have higher voltage.

here is just one example. http://videocardz.com/31645/zotac-geforce-gtx-680-extreme-edition-features-1-2ghz-clock

"Card has been factory-overclocked to 1.2GHz, which is 204MHz more than reference model. That’s slightly lower than expected 2GHz.. Additionally memory clock was not changed and remains at 1.5GHz. But what makes this card so special? Well, according to ZOTAC, this card is capable of delivering up to 1.5V to core (default 1.212V). What is more interesting, EXPreview have easily reached a core clock of 1.4GHz".


so again Nvidia is NOT holding back card makers because of GK110.
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I never said it was a case of them holding it back :)

That comment from EVGA applies to all the cards, even the hydro coppers. What I did say was I don't think we will ever get control, I'd assume cards like that Zotac one are basically hard wiring in more voltage to the core like some modders have done to reference cards using soldering/wire skillz. :p
 
toyota

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Grooveriding said:
I never said it was a case of them holding it back :)

That comment from EVGA applies to all the cards, even the hydro coppers. What I did say was I don't think we will ever get control, I'd assume cards like that Zotac one are basically hard wiring in more voltage to the core like some modders have done to reference cards using soldering/wire skillz. :p
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sorry for not being clear but bunnyfubbles said that
 
utahraptor

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The MSI Lightning should feature a beefed up component selection and the twin frozer IV design.
 
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